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#23926
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The reaper is garbled.
I turned to to the low range sound option after I first heard it, maxed my TV's sound, and it's still not clear.
Wish I had surround sound. :)
my video is **** as i took it with my phone.

I'll upload it in a bit unless some gem with a great way to capture video can get to it first. ;)

Another thing about the kid...he comes from the side...on a 7 story building he climbs up without a ladder?
Yeah ghost child is a ghost.

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Chewie07 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Excuse the horrible cropping job.

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Alright, so as you can see, Anderson is grabbing what LOOKS like his right side, but is actually his left. The same left side Shepard can be seen favouring and bleeding later on.


Yeah. Shepard isn't looking in a mirror. He shoots Anderson in Anderson's left side, and gets a wound in his left side. How do people get this wrong? It almost seems that the ID theory's loudest detractors not only could not put two and two together without help, but would actively argue that it was not possible to add two and two in the first place.


Seriously, go back and watch his movements from when you wake up on the citadel. When he first stands up, his hand is against his body in the area where this "mysterious wound" is placed. And the entire walk all he way up to Anderson and TIM, he is haunched over in a way that he is feeling pain from the injury. And after Anderson gets shot, it's not like Sheps blood is EVERYWHERE, as would be the result of a fresh injury. His hand is simply bloody after it takes it away from the wound. With all your over analytics, you would think that you would have noticed something like that.

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Zuka999 wrote...

I don't get why they are letting this theory get so much attention if they have no intention of doing anything differently to the ending and just "clarifying" it. Its nearly 1,000 pages long. This is just torture if they let this go this long and they don't have anything worthwhile to show us next month.


One of the most interesting things I've noticed is that I don't think any of the mods have made any comments in one way or the other in this entire thread.  They've just basically left it alone and I don't think I've ever seen that for a thread this long before on BSN

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Does anyone else think the Carnifex was selected (as opposed to Shep's usual Predator) specifically to make you notice the unlimited ammo?


I wish it would have been the pistol you had equipped or default predator b/c I hated the carnifex and it's slow ass shots...

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Except he's hunched over in a way that suggests he's hurt on his RIGHT side.

I swear, you naysayers are something else sometimes.

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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

yagaelvin wrote...

You know out of this whole controversy I'm going to find the most amusing? If it turns out that we're right and IT is how they go, the sheer amount of ass kissing people are going to end up doing to Bioware. It should be interesting to watch


Indeed it shall. It'll be a codex moment. :devil:


i dont get it? why should anyone do any ass kissing if they go with the idt?

actually whats going to happen is, people will say bioware took the easy way out and they still wont believe that it was planned all along.

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protognosis wrote...

The reaper is garbled.
I turned to low rez sound option after I first heard it, maxed my TV's sound, and it's still not clear.
Wish I had surround sound. :)
my video is **** as i took it with my phone.

I'll upload it in a bit unless some gem with a great way to capture video can get to it first. ;)

Another thing about the kid...he comes from the side...on a 7 story building ue climbs up without a ladder?
Yeah ghost child is a ghost.


I know, I thought about that too when I first saw it! ..... I was like... yeah, I'm glad he just ran up the side of the building there! But I just dismissed it as ... oh they probably thought you would be looking toward Anderson and following him instead of watching the scenery. So that I wasn't supposed to see him just spawn... 

or were we? lol

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waldstr18 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

yagaelvin wrote...

You know out of this whole controversy I'm going to find the most amusing? If it turns out that we're right and IT is how they go, the sheer amount of ass kissing people are going to end up doing to Bioware. It should be interesting to watch


Indeed it shall. It'll be a codex moment. :devil:


i dont get it? why should anyone do any ass kissing if they go with the idt?

actually whats going to happen is, people will say bioware took the easy way out and they still wont believe that it was planned all along.


Yep.

That's what will happen.

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yagaelvin wrote...

Zuka999 wrote...

I don't get why they are letting this theory get so much attention if they have no intention of doing anything differently to the ending and just "clarifying" it. Its nearly 1,000 pages long. This is just torture if they let this go this long and they don't have anything worthwhile to show us next month.


One of the most interesting things I've noticed is that I don't think any of the mods have made any comments in one way or the other in this entire thread.  They've just basically left it alone and I don't think I've ever seen that for a thread this long before on BSN


This thread called 'So we can't get the ending we want after all?' has more than 2500 pages without a Bioware post.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9512916

Modifié par lex0r11, 28 mars 2012 - 01:54 .


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and about the hand gun issue.

where does shepard always get the weapons, which i dont have equiped? im only running around with a sniper rifle, yet she pulls out hand guns and assault rifles on a regular basis. obviously the whole game must have been a dream. even more weird. when i die, i start back where i last pressed the quick save button. that doesnt work in real life. something is going on...

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lex0r11 wrote...

yagaelvin wrote...

Zuka999 wrote...

I don't get why they are letting this theory get so much attention if they have no intention of doing anything differently to the ending and just "clarifying" it. Its nearly 1,000 pages long. This is just torture if they let this go this long and they don't have anything worthwhile to show us next month.


One of the most interesting things I've noticed is that I don't think any of the mods have made any comments in one way or the other in this entire thread.  They've just basically left it alone and I don't think I've ever seen that for a thread this long before on BSN


This thread called 'So we can't get the ending we want after all?' has more than 2500 pages without a Bioware post.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9512916


Forgot that one.  I'm wondering if it's because Bioware decided to not involve themselves with any threads that have to do with the endings unless it's just one of those rant threads

Modifié par yagaelvin, 28 mars 2012 - 02:00 .


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Did you all notice that When Shepard looked out the window the kid was on a roof top of a building, And when Shepard, and Anderson are killing husk you see the kid just appear right there. So if Bioware want's too talk about Mass effect 3 on April 6 then please tell us "How did the kid get from the other side of the building to where Shepard just magically happened to be, and saw the kid enter the building with no transportation around the kid."

Modifié par masster blaster, 28 mars 2012 - 02:01 .


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IronSabbath88 wrote...

Except he's hunched over in a way that suggests he's hurt on his RIGHT side.

I swear, you naysayers are something else sometimes.


As are you people who will stand by a FAN THEORY to the goddamn death. Look, i'm not saying it's absolute BS, some realy interesting observations have come out of it, but it is just as likely that the terrible ending is the result of bad writing. And I think it speaks volumes for how bad it realy is that people would rather say it was all a god damn dream than believe for even two seconds that it might be possible BioWare actually messed up.

Also, ......are you sure? huh. Well he damn sure grabs himself in pain in the area he was shot while he's standing up.

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waldstr18 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

yagaelvin wrote...

You know out of this whole controversy I'm going to find the most amusing? If it turns out that we're right and IT is how they go, the sheer amount of ass kissing people are going to end up doing to Bioware. It should be interesting to watch


Indeed it shall. It'll be a codex moment. :devil:


i dont get it? why should anyone do any ass kissing if they go with the idt?

actually whats going to happen is, people will say bioware took the easy way out and they still wont believe that it was planned all along.


There are basically two people who hate the ending if you look at the board.  The people who will forgive Bioware if they "fix" the endings (ignoring the possibility of having to pay for it for a moment) and the people who won't care either way.  Quite a few posters have said that they'll love Bioware again if they do something about the ending

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I do like the fact that when you are doing the no man's land portion of the ending Marines say "No retreat! No matter what, Admiral's orders!"

5 minutes later

"RETREAT FALL BACK TO THE BUILDINGS!"

Yea...no.

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masster blaster wrote...

Did you all notice that When Shepard looked out the window the kid was on a roof top of a building, And when Shepard, and Anderson are killing husk you see the kid just appear right there. so if Bioware want's too talk about Mass effect on April 6 then please tell us "How did the kid get from the other side of the building to where Shepard just magically happened to see the kid enter the building with no transportation around the kid."


indoctrination theory explains it.

But.. I didn't actually see the kid just appear in the next area. He is just standing next to the railing looking over when you get to that part with the husks climbing up the side. A bit of a coincidence that he's looking right at a reaper and then walks through a "closed" door.. only to have that reaper blow the building to hell.. and then he survives? uhm k.

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yagaelvin wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

yagaelvin wrote...

You know out of this whole controversy I'm going to find the most amusing? If it turns out that we're right and IT is how they go, the sheer amount of ass kissing people are going to end up doing to Bioware. It should be interesting to watch


Indeed it shall. It'll be a codex moment. :devil:


i dont get it? why should anyone do any ass kissing if they go with the idt?

actually whats going to happen is, people will say bioware took the easy way out and they still wont believe that it was planned all along.


There are basically two people who hate the ending if you look at the board.  The people who will forgive Bioware if they "fix" the endings (ignoring the possibility of having to pay for it for a moment) and the people who won't care either way.  Quite a few posters have said that they'll love Bioware again if they do something about the ending


You do know that the ones who don't care are just people, who just play Mass Effect  3 for it's Mulltiplayer/the combat systems. Also since Bioware said Mass Effect was going to be a Trilogy, then they will proboly kill Shepard off anyway, and create a little sence about why the Normandy left, and the new story is going to take place on the planet the Normandy crashes on, and the new adventure begins.

Honestly I hope they ment that the Tiolgy for Mass Effect was just for ME1, ME2 and now ME3.

Modifié par masster blaster, 28 mars 2012 - 02:10 .


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n00bsauce2010 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Did you all notice that When Shepard looked out the window the kid was on a roof top of a building, And when Shepard, and Anderson are killing husk you see the kid just appear right there. so if Bioware want's too talk about Mass effect on April 6 then please tell us "How did the kid get from the other side of the building to where Shepard just magically happened to see the kid enter the building with no transportation around the kid."


indoctrination theory explains it.

But.. I didn't actually see the kid just appear in the next area. He is just standing next to the railing looking over when you get to that part with the husks climbing up the side. A bit of a coincidence that he's looking right at a reaper and then walks through a "closed" door.. only to have that reaper blow the building to hell.. and then he survives? uhm k.




The kid probably shouted like... This, to survive.









FUS RO DAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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masster blaster wrote...

yagaelvin wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

yagaelvin wrote...

You know out of this whole controversy I'm going to find the most amusing? If it turns out that we're right and IT is how they go, the sheer amount of ass kissing people are going to end up doing to Bioware. It should be interesting to watch


Indeed it shall. It'll be a codex moment. :devil:


i dont get it? why should anyone do any ass kissing if they go with the idt?

actually whats going to happen is, people will say bioware took the easy way out and they still wont believe that it was planned all along.


There are basically two people who hate the ending if you look at the board.  The people who will forgive Bioware if they "fix" the endings (ignoring the possibility of having to pay for it for a moment) and the people who won't care either way.  Quite a few posters have said that they'll love Bioware again if they do something about the ending


You do know that the ones who don't care are just people, who hust paly Mass Effect for Mulltiplayer/the combat systems. Also since Bioware said Mass Effect was going to be a Trilogy, then they will proboly kill Shepard off anyway, and create a little sence about why the Normandy left, and the new story is going to take place on the planet the Normandy crashes on, and the new adventure begins.

Honestly I hope they ment that the Tiolgy for Mass Effect was just for ME1, ME2 and now ME3.


no offense. I doubt anyone cares what potentially happens after Me3 is finished. The only thing I could see myself buying is a Me1 prequel (with shepard) i just like the character too much. Or a prequel with the first contact war.. that'd be cool.

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masster blaster wrote...

yagaelvin wrote...

waldstr18 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

yagaelvin wrote...

You know out of this whole controversy I'm going to find the most amusing? If it turns out that we're right and IT is how they go, the sheer amount of ass kissing people are going to end up doing to Bioware. It should be interesting to watch


Indeed it shall. It'll be a codex moment. :devil:


i dont get it? why should anyone do any ass kissing if they go with the idt?

actually whats going to happen is, people will say bioware took the easy way out and they still wont believe that it was planned all along.


There are basically two people who hate the ending if you look at the board.  The people who will forgive Bioware if they "fix" the endings (ignoring the possibility of having to pay for it for a moment) and the people who won't care either way.  Quite a few posters have said that they'll love Bioware again if they do something about the ending


You do know that the ones who don't care are just people, who hust paly Mass Effect for Mulltiplayer/the combat systems. Also since Bioware said Mass Effect was going to be a Trilogy, then they will proboly kill Shepard off anyway, and create a little sence about why the Normandy left, and the new story is going to take place on the planet the Normandy crashes on, and the new adventure begins.

Honestly I hope they ment that the Tiolgy for Mass Effect was just for ME1, ME2 and now ME3.





Just to fix something you said...


Its not the mass effect that is considered as "Trilogy', but rather, its the "Trilogy" of shepard, meaning theres continuation for mass effect series.

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People are seriously breaking down what side it looks like Anderson/Shepard were bleeding on as proof of IT? Seriously?

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What if on April the first Bioware announces that the ending was all a April fools joke, just to ****** us off.

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baruaru wrote...
The kid probably shouted like... This, to survive.


FUS RO DAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


More like: WULD NAH KEST!!!!

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OMEGAlomaniac wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Except he's hunched over in a way that suggests he's hurt on his RIGHT side.

I swear, you naysayers are something else sometimes.


As are you people who will stand by a FAN THEORY to the goddamn death. Look, i'm not saying it's absolute BS, some realy interesting observations have come out of it, but it is just as likely that the terrible ending is the result of bad writing. And I think it speaks volumes for how bad it realy is that people would rather say it was all a god damn dream than believe for even two seconds that it might be possible BioWare actually messed up.

Also, ......are you sure? huh. Well he damn sure grabs himself in pain in the area he was shot while he's standing up.


http://nextlol.com/i...e-you-troll.jpg 

-edit- To explain my position I am going to say, that until Bioware's announcment I would advise holding off the claims of "bad writing". The entire game has amazing writing, and is filled with such emotions never seen in a game before. So to say "bad writing" on the obscure final 10 minutes is an insult to Bioware's writing team.

Modifié par RorickHuon, 28 mars 2012 - 02:19 .


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benben84 wrote...

baruaru wrote...
The kid probably shouted like... This, to survive.


FUS RO DAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


More like: WULD NAH KEST!!!!



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