Just because it says you should have a certain amount of space doesn't mean it will fill all that space, otherwise that's great evidence. let me get more details
Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory
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#24077
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:39
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Has anyone discussed the weirdness of the Catalyst giving you these options? His 'final solution' was, according to him, to create the Reapers to harvest advanced organic life every 50,000 years so it won't create advanced synthetic life.
He's, apparently, had hundreds of thousands of years of watching organics evolve, struggle and fight his Reapers to decide if that's the best idea. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of years.
Sure, organics build the Crucible and dock it with the Citadel (strange how the Crucible needs the person it's meant to destroy to work, and he can't actually work it, but anyway...). But it fails! The Crucible doesn't work. And Shepard passes out, while hemorrhaging badly (gonna die, if that's true). The Catalyst has won, it just needs to wait 'til its Reaper fleet wipes out the organic one.
Why the hell does it raise Shepard up (who remarkably wakes up without prompt and seems relatively fine compared to 10 secs ago) and give them the chance to ruin the Catalyst's plan?
I mean, the Catalyst already controls the Reapers so why it can already do the 'control' option. It could, if it thought it best, already have the Reapers work as some sort of synthetic police. But it didn't. It could destroy the Reapers as well (although it doesn't want to). It could also probably have an organic chucked in the lazer if it wanted synthesis (I'm not even going to touch the stupidity of how touching/jumping in/shooting any of those objects would result in the presented outcomes..). It could have done these at any time over the last 200 millenia or so. Why offer these to Shepard when he/she's failed anyway?
IDT is the only thing I've seen that addresses this: it's a test, a trick.
He's, apparently, had hundreds of thousands of years of watching organics evolve, struggle and fight his Reapers to decide if that's the best idea. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of years.
Sure, organics build the Crucible and dock it with the Citadel (strange how the Crucible needs the person it's meant to destroy to work, and he can't actually work it, but anyway...). But it fails! The Crucible doesn't work. And Shepard passes out, while hemorrhaging badly (gonna die, if that's true). The Catalyst has won, it just needs to wait 'til its Reaper fleet wipes out the organic one.
Why the hell does it raise Shepard up (who remarkably wakes up without prompt and seems relatively fine compared to 10 secs ago) and give them the chance to ruin the Catalyst's plan?
I mean, the Catalyst already controls the Reapers so why it can already do the 'control' option. It could, if it thought it best, already have the Reapers work as some sort of synthetic police. But it didn't. It could destroy the Reapers as well (although it doesn't want to). It could also probably have an organic chucked in the lazer if it wanted synthesis (I'm not even going to touch the stupidity of how touching/jumping in/shooting any of those objects would result in the presented outcomes..). It could have done these at any time over the last 200 millenia or so. Why offer these to Shepard when he/she's failed anyway?
IDT is the only thing I've seen that addresses this: it's a test, a trick.
#24078
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:40
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Well they would need an update at the least to "unlock" the rest of the data. Ofc this is just my theory and I don't have all the answers but it would explain how they could do this tactic of not giving the true ending right away, have shipped a full game, and it not be a paid dlc or take months to develop.
This theory would project the most efficient way to do this.
This theory would project the most efficient way to do this.
#24079
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:40
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delldo wrote...
bredmo wrote...
@Kroen135 Ideally you are right. I really hope that this is what they did. It is a genius idea on their part, but maybe they didn't expect such strong backlashes. I would expect the trigger to happen either April 1st (april fool's day) or after they possibly reveal the truth during their conference.
There MUST be something else on the Xbox version. Mass effect 2 size for Xbox was about 14Gb while Mass effect 2 size for PC was 15 Gb, which would make sense. The fact that the PC version is missing 5Gb really tells you something.
Plus the retail PC box says in the recommended and minimum requirements that 15gb's of HDD space is at least needed.
umm holy ****.....that seems like evidence to me
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Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:43
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Yeah it was a huge slap in the face to me. Saw something earlier on this thread about "hidden files" and decided to look into it using my actual ME3 folder and using sources.
It's definately something fresh that can atleast be directed toward IT
It's definately something fresh that can atleast be directed toward IT
#24081
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:44
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Edit: TL;DR: I'd never heard of the IDT until after I beat the game, yet I still expected indoctrination to be the biggest conflict in the game. But I do not subscribe to the IDT for several reasons.
No way I can tell if this was mentioned earlier in the thread, but Shepard's eyes are one of the big pieces of supposed evidence for indoctrination.
In that case, what about that woman in Arrival, Dr. Such-and-such? She was a high-functioning indoctrinated human, and the only time her eyes are distinct is when Shepard is under the influence of the Artifact. So these special eyes link two confirmed indoctrinated, but not the third. There is another link between Shepard, Saren, and the Illusive Man: cybernetic implants. I think that rules that piece of evidence out.
I have to admit, I had a very firm notion that indoctrination would play a large part in ME3. After all, ME1 seemed to establish that you do not need to be INSIDE a reaper to suffer indoc effects (e.g. the insane scientist at the research camp on Eden Prime, who hinted that the chirping noise or "shriek of the damned" was the indoc signal itself). We later learned that there are two kinds of indoctrination: the direct, or "brute force" method, and the subtle method. The direct type can subjugate a person's will in hours or days, though I think we can assume Shepard is on the hardier spectrum of that. She is clearly subjected to the direct type in Arrival, and also when she meets TIM on the Citadel.
But all you get by using the direct type is a shock trooper at best, and a rambling vegetable at worst. If Harbinger wanted to insidiously plant an indoctrinated in the Crucible, it would have to be a high-functioning one. Whether direct and subtle indoctrination can be used in concert with one another to bring this about is unclear, but let me just say that I was keeping my eye out for signs during the entire game without any input from the IDT community. Especially Admiral Anderson, who was doing god-knows-what in Reaper territory for... let's say... a week in game time?
Meanwhile, Shepard's resolve was facing its most difficult test yet. Seeing a child that she'd tried to save die (I highly doubt she was already so far gone that he was entirely an indoc-based illusion, just so you know), then following this with, for example, Mordin and then Thane, the Primarch's son, and so forth, I was seriously thinking that indoctrination could influence her to think "Is what I'm doing even worth it?" or "Why bother? We're all dying anyway. I've failed. We've lost already."
When I shambled down the long, bloody hallway and saw a seemingly hale and hearty Anderson beat me to the control panel, looming ominously, I thought, "This is it, the big reveal. The betrayal." Instead, Anderson still seems to have his purpose intact and instead, TIM appears and hits us both with a direct dose of Cerberus indoctrination. Thus the black at the edge of the screen. Why would a direct dose be necessary if Shepard was so far gone as to be having a grand illusion? That would run the risk of ruining her as a high-functioning indoctrinated. All TIM wanted was to make her shoot Anderson so he could prove how right he was (because he needed to prove it to himself more than anyone, because I'd been chipping away at his delirium the entire game with Paragon dialogues). He didn't feel the need to use Shepard like the reapers supposedly do.
That's when I was dissuaded from my self-made IDT, because indoc came up, and it was a threat, but it wasn't the big bad that I expected. And yes, I was seriously alarmed by the hum in the Shuttle Bay. The multiplayer made it clear that indoc devices could be portable and separate from the reapers themselves. But Cortez didn't show signs of indoc and neither did Vega. Other than the hum, they didn't show the slightest hint of losing grips with their purpose in the war. They were exposed to it constantly for a week or so, and there should have been signs other than "that hum" from people on the ship other than Shepard. Even taking into account her previous exposure, they were closer to it and they couldn't have been so strong-willed that a week's exposure wouldn't take its toll on them.
Furthermore, indoctrination does not trick the subject with hallucinations. It fundamentally changes their thinking patterns in a way that helps the reapers, and only gradually. For example, "our only hope of survival is to submit" -Saren, or "the reapers must be controlled, not destroyed; they are too valuable" -TIM. If Shepard truly lost herself to indoctrination, she would not "snap" and lose cognizance in a hallucination. She would be aware, and she would have come to a different conclusion.
My conclusion is this. IDT is a very convincing and comforting way to rationalize a nonsensical ending, by using the very fact that the ending doesn't make sense in order to support its reasoning. It does a very good job at providing a comforting alternative to what the ending is, but in all its fine details, all it serves to do is render the ending even more meaningless than it already is. There is no hard-won mental battle against indoctrination, there is only "did you shoot the tube or didn't you?" It also takes all the variations of the ending (you know, what little there are), and reduces that to a binary result, which is "you either draw breath at the end or you don't. If you do, you triumphed against indoctrination. If not, then I'm sorry to break it to you, but you won the war for the reapers."
Supposing every moment after the laser blast really was all some symbolic depiction of resisting indoctrination, then it still failed horribly at what it was trying to do.
No way I can tell if this was mentioned earlier in the thread, but Shepard's eyes are one of the big pieces of supposed evidence for indoctrination.
In that case, what about that woman in Arrival, Dr. Such-and-such? She was a high-functioning indoctrinated human, and the only time her eyes are distinct is when Shepard is under the influence of the Artifact. So these special eyes link two confirmed indoctrinated, but not the third. There is another link between Shepard, Saren, and the Illusive Man: cybernetic implants. I think that rules that piece of evidence out.
I have to admit, I had a very firm notion that indoctrination would play a large part in ME3. After all, ME1 seemed to establish that you do not need to be INSIDE a reaper to suffer indoc effects (e.g. the insane scientist at the research camp on Eden Prime, who hinted that the chirping noise or "shriek of the damned" was the indoc signal itself). We later learned that there are two kinds of indoctrination: the direct, or "brute force" method, and the subtle method. The direct type can subjugate a person's will in hours or days, though I think we can assume Shepard is on the hardier spectrum of that. She is clearly subjected to the direct type in Arrival, and also when she meets TIM on the Citadel.
But all you get by using the direct type is a shock trooper at best, and a rambling vegetable at worst. If Harbinger wanted to insidiously plant an indoctrinated in the Crucible, it would have to be a high-functioning one. Whether direct and subtle indoctrination can be used in concert with one another to bring this about is unclear, but let me just say that I was keeping my eye out for signs during the entire game without any input from the IDT community. Especially Admiral Anderson, who was doing god-knows-what in Reaper territory for... let's say... a week in game time?
Meanwhile, Shepard's resolve was facing its most difficult test yet. Seeing a child that she'd tried to save die (I highly doubt she was already so far gone that he was entirely an indoc-based illusion, just so you know), then following this with, for example, Mordin and then Thane, the Primarch's son, and so forth, I was seriously thinking that indoctrination could influence her to think "Is what I'm doing even worth it?" or "Why bother? We're all dying anyway. I've failed. We've lost already."
When I shambled down the long, bloody hallway and saw a seemingly hale and hearty Anderson beat me to the control panel, looming ominously, I thought, "This is it, the big reveal. The betrayal." Instead, Anderson still seems to have his purpose intact and instead, TIM appears and hits us both with a direct dose of Cerberus indoctrination. Thus the black at the edge of the screen. Why would a direct dose be necessary if Shepard was so far gone as to be having a grand illusion? That would run the risk of ruining her as a high-functioning indoctrinated. All TIM wanted was to make her shoot Anderson so he could prove how right he was (because he needed to prove it to himself more than anyone, because I'd been chipping away at his delirium the entire game with Paragon dialogues). He didn't feel the need to use Shepard like the reapers supposedly do.
That's when I was dissuaded from my self-made IDT, because indoc came up, and it was a threat, but it wasn't the big bad that I expected. And yes, I was seriously alarmed by the hum in the Shuttle Bay. The multiplayer made it clear that indoc devices could be portable and separate from the reapers themselves. But Cortez didn't show signs of indoc and neither did Vega. Other than the hum, they didn't show the slightest hint of losing grips with their purpose in the war. They were exposed to it constantly for a week or so, and there should have been signs other than "that hum" from people on the ship other than Shepard. Even taking into account her previous exposure, they were closer to it and they couldn't have been so strong-willed that a week's exposure wouldn't take its toll on them.
Furthermore, indoctrination does not trick the subject with hallucinations. It fundamentally changes their thinking patterns in a way that helps the reapers, and only gradually. For example, "our only hope of survival is to submit" -Saren, or "the reapers must be controlled, not destroyed; they are too valuable" -TIM. If Shepard truly lost herself to indoctrination, she would not "snap" and lose cognizance in a hallucination. She would be aware, and she would have come to a different conclusion.
My conclusion is this. IDT is a very convincing and comforting way to rationalize a nonsensical ending, by using the very fact that the ending doesn't make sense in order to support its reasoning. It does a very good job at providing a comforting alternative to what the ending is, but in all its fine details, all it serves to do is render the ending even more meaningless than it already is. There is no hard-won mental battle against indoctrination, there is only "did you shoot the tube or didn't you?" It also takes all the variations of the ending (you know, what little there are), and reduces that to a binary result, which is "you either draw breath at the end or you don't. If you do, you triumphed against indoctrination. If not, then I'm sorry to break it to you, but you won the war for the reapers."
Supposing every moment after the laser blast really was all some symbolic depiction of resisting indoctrination, then it still failed horribly at what it was trying to do.
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#24082
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:44
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n00bsauce2010 wrote...
delldo wrote...
bredmo wrote...
@Kroen135 Ideally you are right. I really hope that this is what they did. It is a genius idea on their part, but maybe they didn't expect such strong backlashes. I would expect the trigger to happen either April 1st (april fool's day) or after they possibly reveal the truth during their conference.
There MUST be something else on the Xbox version. Mass effect 2 size for Xbox was about 14Gb while Mass effect 2 size for PC was 15 Gb, which would make sense. The fact that the PC version is missing 5Gb really tells you something.
Plus the retail PC box says in the recommended and minimum requirements that 15gb's of HDD space is at least needed.
umm holy ****.....that seems like evidence to me
Has anyone at BW ever addressed this? Seems like something that might have been covered on the official Twitter. If not, and considering how much it's been mentioned and that it's not specifically a plot issue, their silence on the matter is strange (coupled with the strangeness of the discrepencies).
#24083
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:45
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Kroen135 wrote...
Yeah it was a huge slap in the face to me. Saw something earlier on this thread about "hidden files" and decided to look into it using my actual ME3 folder and using sources.
It's definately something fresh that can atleast be directed toward IT
from what i understand.. it didn't install on my ps3 my cover says 13 mb required. so that means it reads the disk
#24084
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:48
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n00bsauce2010 wrote...
delldo wrote...
bredmo wrote...
@Kroen135 Ideally you are right. I really hope that this is what they did. It is a genius idea on their part, but maybe they didn't expect such strong backlashes. I would expect the trigger to happen either April 1st (april fool's day) or after they possibly reveal the truth during their conference.
There MUST be something else on the Xbox version. Mass effect 2 size for Xbox was about 14Gb while Mass effect 2 size for PC was 15 Gb, which would make sense. The fact that the PC version is missing 5Gb really tells you something.
Plus the retail PC box says in the recommended and minimum requirements that 15gb's of HDD space is at least needed.
umm holy ****.....that seems like evidence to me
As much as I would like to believe this, I would point out that some console games tend to install all of the optional languages, whereas the PC versions usually install only the language the operating system is set for. I recall somewhere earlier in the thread, someone talked about a 1.5GB set of files on their xbox, which turned out to be the english language files. I know the PC version installs all the language subtitles, but I think you have to choose the audio language - and the discs ship with something like six languages, iirc. If the PS3/xbox version installs all of them, it could make up the difference. That said, I would like some 5GB April 6th free DLC.
#24085
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:50
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Even 1 Gb of extra ending would be a hell of a lot
#24086
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:51
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that would be really cool if the real endings were on the disks already. so, regarding different disk sizes on different platforms: is there definitely no way to see the contents of xbox and ps3 disks as it can be done on pc? i only played me3 on pc so i don't know, is that some closed format or what? i saw people ripping textures, sound and stuff from other xbox games, isn't that possible in case of me3? i guess comparing that content to pc disk would be enough to see if there's something more on the xbox/ps3 disk.
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n00bsauce2010 wrote...
delldo wrote...
bredmo wrote...
@Kroen135 Ideally you are right. I really hope that this is what they did. It is a genius idea on their part, but maybe they didn't expect such strong backlashes. I would expect the trigger to happen either April 1st (april fool's day) or after they possibly reveal the truth during their conference.
There MUST be something else on the Xbox version. Mass effect 2 size for Xbox was about 14Gb while Mass effect 2 size for PC was 15 Gb, which would make sense. The fact that the PC version is missing 5Gb really tells you something.
Plus the retail PC box says in the recommended and minimum requirements that 15gb's of HDD space is at least needed.
umm holy ****.....that seems like evidence to me
Or the compression algorithms and required files differe between the two platforms. Building and compressing maps for the engine are different on consoles vs. PCs
Still an interesting theory, but kind of speculative.
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Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:54
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Yeah could be the languages. It's all speculation but I'd say having a software support to IT discussed would help bring this to light (or alternately start to undermine it more then "youre so dumb" or "grasping at straws")
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Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:55
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Mass Effect 2 on Xbox: 12.4 Gb
Mass Effect 2 on PC: 12.1 Gb
DLC negligible
someone check these numbers
Mass Effect 2 on PC: 12.1 Gb
DLC negligible
someone check these numbers
#24090
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 04:56
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Off topic video, not indoctrination theory, just discussing why the ending is broken.
Well spoken, worth a watch.
Well spoken, worth a watch.
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emagover wrote...
is there definitely no way to see the contents of xbox and ps3 disks as it can be done on pc?
Just search the internet, you can rip the content off of the disk and convert it on a PC, though I'm betting that goes against the terms of service. Though this is how "news" sites try and claim things like the From Ashes DLC being on the disk (which I'm confident was not), by ripping the iso off of the DVD and rooting around in it.
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Kroen135 wrote...
Yeah could be the languages. It's all speculation but I'd say having a software support to IT discussed would help bring this to light (or alternately start to undermine it more then "youre so dumb" or "grasping at straws")
Would like to see if someone can really dig deep on the ps3 and xbox360 to see what lies on the disk itself.
If the real endings were on the game.. are there any ways to trigger the ending besides dlc? like some kind of in game code or something
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If these numbers are correct for ME 2, then they must've improved the efficiency by like a third to have the pc version only need 10Gb as compared to 15Gb
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Kroen135 wrote...
Yeah could be the languages. It's all speculation but I'd say having a software support to IT discussed would help bring this to light (or alternately start to undermine it more then "youre so dumb" or "grasping at straws")
Language is an excellent point, those files can add up really quickly. It would be interesting to see a disk layout, just to see what's different between the two (three). And it would provide some interesting evidence.
Note I'm actually a fan of the theory, I think some of the supporting arguments are weak, but I'd agree that saying that people are grasping at straws isn't much of a counter argument. Overall it's an interesting and kind of exciting idea. I'm pumped to see where BioWare takes us next, even if that ending was the absolute end, I am not one of the ending haters
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I just noticed. To the people saying that Low EMS craps on the theory, thin carefully about what the star child says, it's not "Wake up" it's instead "Why are you here?" the child is as surprised to see Shepard as Shep is himself. More than likely, the Reapers were putting so much effort on Shepard they didn't realize he was even still alive with low EMS, and the hallucinations are merely Shepard fighting off the remaining influence, at higher EMS, Shepard is a direct and tangible threat, and as such they focus more on him.
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bredmo wrote...
Mass Effect 2 on Xbox: 12.4 Gb
Mass Effect 2 on PC: 12.1 Gb
DLC negligible
someone check these numbers
Also, "minimum" requirement for ME2 PC hard drive space was 15Gb.
So they wanted about 3Gb spared
ME3 PC actual: 10Gb
"minimum": 15Gb
So maybe if they followed the same pattern of leaving 3Gb left over, there's still 2Gb left, but that could be languages.
Not very concrete, but I don't think the minimum space requirement for ME3 PC argument is a very good one.
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Everything Ive gathered pointing to indoc theory thus far, feel free to add
The only way to get this ending is by having the highest level of EMS, keeping anderson from getting executed and choosing to kill the reapers.
This is the only ending shepard is seen in one piece. This is the only ending where the sol system is in one piece.
There is an angelic note that only plays if you approach Destroy
Destroy is the only ending where you dont acquire the indoctrionation eyes we've seen with saren
The star kid dissapears immediately if you choose destroy as opposed to staring at you with a possible smirk on his face if u choose control
Star kid makes control and synthesis sound way worse than destroy.
The only thing shepard questions ( partially) is the kids take on Destroy. The star kid says Destroy is pointless as the conflict will begin anew. Shepard says a very telling *maybe*
as opposed to flat out believing control and synthesis. Remember his own words * so the illusive man was right*
The goal since day one was to destroy the reapers, so what if synthetic life dies, you sacrificed an entire baterian solar system just to delay the reapers for a few months
The star kid is lying about all synthetics dying- the ending show shepard alive, even though the kid insinuated that sheps synthetic parts would doom him to death from choosing Destroy
Arguements supporting theory
Anderson says *we got to the citadel in a different place from where u ended up* WHO IS WE??
Anderson ran that same run shep did, but he has no injuries, cuts or scars and his armor is clean as mint
Check out how the camera fixates on shepards pained facial expression as the illusive man comes out of no where.
When shep shoots anderson both men grunt at the exact same time, as if both were hit by the wound.
Anderson has no bleeding from the shot
Shepard has bleeding from the shot
Shepards bleeding stops without a trace as he reaches the crucible
The radio transmissions calling for retreat are faint and distant, but Anderson and Hacket come in crystal clear
If you have low ems your teammates are shown dead instead of random soldiers
Garrus bleeds red blood (supposed to be blue), EDI bleeds red blood
Shrubs and trees from your forest dreams manifest out of nowhere
The radio says nobody made it, but you make it anderson says he and others made it in after you
How did anderson get to the control panel first
Why does the crucible platform so closly mimic the exterior where hammer company fell
How does shep breathe in space with no helmet, remember me1 he needed a helmet to get outside the citadel
Your teammates ask about your mental health all game long..even edi picks up
on it saying you are more stressed now than ever before. Joker highlights this
The boy makes impossible gains in space during the opening level. He litterally goes city blocks apart to make it to where u see him board the taxi
The boy is in an electrified vent
The boy says you cant help me...no kid in that situation says that
The reaper growl that goes off when anderson breaks your focus
How does the star kid know what the boy looked like enough to emulate his appearance
Oily shadows from reaper influence that the rachni saw...they plague your dreams
Javik senses inner turmoil and suggests that the reapers are winning some sort of battle in your mind
Parts of the citadel look like places shep has been before...a situation
echoed by what legion did for shepard on how geths think
Edi has reaper tech in her body as well as her core
The normandy is carrying reaper tech
vega talked about a buzzing noise..and this aint his first time on the normandy
Illusive man doesnt care enough to convince u to his beliefs beyond light banter, however aboard the dream citadel he spends all his energy on the sole purpose of convincing you that control is the way to go
Ask him why hes wasting time with you and anderson. His response is " because you need to understand*...totally uncharacteristic
We see the illusive man post implants after sanctuary at his base. He and ling both look more or less normal, then on the ship illusive man is suddenly halfway husk.
One shot kills illusive man, where as every other reaper tech hybrid is a pain to take down...saren, lang
Also, where has it been explicity stated that the Shep-breathing ending is canon?
The only way to get this ending is by having the highest level of EMS, keeping anderson from getting executed and choosing to kill the reapers.
This is the only ending shepard is seen in one piece. This is the only ending where the sol system is in one piece.
There is an angelic note that only plays if you approach Destroy
Destroy is the only ending where you dont acquire the indoctrionation eyes we've seen with saren
The star kid dissapears immediately if you choose destroy as opposed to staring at you with a possible smirk on his face if u choose control
Star kid makes control and synthesis sound way worse than destroy.
The only thing shepard questions ( partially) is the kids take on Destroy. The star kid says Destroy is pointless as the conflict will begin anew. Shepard says a very telling *maybe*
as opposed to flat out believing control and synthesis. Remember his own words * so the illusive man was right*
The goal since day one was to destroy the reapers, so what if synthetic life dies, you sacrificed an entire baterian solar system just to delay the reapers for a few months
The star kid is lying about all synthetics dying- the ending show shepard alive, even though the kid insinuated that sheps synthetic parts would doom him to death from choosing Destroy
Arguements supporting theory
Anderson says *we got to the citadel in a different place from where u ended up* WHO IS WE??
Anderson ran that same run shep did, but he has no injuries, cuts or scars and his armor is clean as mint
Check out how the camera fixates on shepards pained facial expression as the illusive man comes out of no where.
When shep shoots anderson both men grunt at the exact same time, as if both were hit by the wound.
Anderson has no bleeding from the shot
Shepard has bleeding from the shot
Shepards bleeding stops without a trace as he reaches the crucible
The radio transmissions calling for retreat are faint and distant, but Anderson and Hacket come in crystal clear
If you have low ems your teammates are shown dead instead of random soldiers
Garrus bleeds red blood (supposed to be blue), EDI bleeds red blood
Shrubs and trees from your forest dreams manifest out of nowhere
The radio says nobody made it, but you make it anderson says he and others made it in after you
How did anderson get to the control panel first
Why does the crucible platform so closly mimic the exterior where hammer company fell
How does shep breathe in space with no helmet, remember me1 he needed a helmet to get outside the citadel
Your teammates ask about your mental health all game long..even edi picks up
on it saying you are more stressed now than ever before. Joker highlights this
The boy makes impossible gains in space during the opening level. He litterally goes city blocks apart to make it to where u see him board the taxi
The boy is in an electrified vent
The boy says you cant help me...no kid in that situation says that
The reaper growl that goes off when anderson breaks your focus
How does the star kid know what the boy looked like enough to emulate his appearance
Oily shadows from reaper influence that the rachni saw...they plague your dreams
Javik senses inner turmoil and suggests that the reapers are winning some sort of battle in your mind
Parts of the citadel look like places shep has been before...a situation
echoed by what legion did for shepard on how geths think
Edi has reaper tech in her body as well as her core
The normandy is carrying reaper tech
vega talked about a buzzing noise..and this aint his first time on the normandy
Illusive man doesnt care enough to convince u to his beliefs beyond light banter, however aboard the dream citadel he spends all his energy on the sole purpose of convincing you that control is the way to go
Ask him why hes wasting time with you and anderson. His response is " because you need to understand*...totally uncharacteristic
We see the illusive man post implants after sanctuary at his base. He and ling both look more or less normal, then on the ship illusive man is suddenly halfway husk.
One shot kills illusive man, where as every other reaper tech hybrid is a pain to take down...saren, lang
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#24098
Posté 28 mars 2012 - 05:06
Kroen135
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My ME3 file folder is 10.5 GB with "From ashes" and the site I used said Xbox was 7.0 Gb for disk 1 and 7.6 Gb for disk 2bredmo wrote...
Mass Effect 2 on Xbox: 12.4 Gb
Mass Effect 2 on PC: 12.1 Gb
DLC negligible
someone check these numbers
http://www.justpushs...-size-revealed/
This is a link to Xbox file size
http://nicoo7t.weebl...-ps3--15gb.html
Link to ps3 (not same site but both credible)
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Posté 28 mars 2012 - 05:10
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n00bsauce2010 wrote...
If the real endings were on the game.. are there any ways to trigger the ending besides dlc? like some kind of in game code or something
If they coded it into the game, certainly- just like how they don't allow you to access certain missions or dialog choices without meeting pre-reqs. Without an update though I'm not sure you could make sure people got the unlock. How would all the game owners be notified of it without it? Though you could time bomb it, unlock after X date, but still doesn't explain the PC size being smaller in that case though.
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Posté 28 mars 2012 - 05:11
bredmo
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Kroen135 wrote...
My ME3 file folder is 10.5 GB with "From ashes" and the site I used said Xbox was 7.0 Gb for disk 1 and 7.6 Gb for disk 2bredmo wrote...
Mass Effect 2 on Xbox: 12.4 Gb
Mass Effect 2 on PC: 12.1 Gb
DLC negligible
someone check these numbers
http://www.justpushs...-size-revealed/
This is a link to Xbox file size
http://nicoo7t.weebl...-ps3--15gb.html
Link to ps3 (not same site but both credible)
I was comparing the situation with Mass Effect 3 (PC vs Xbox) to Mass Effect 2 (PC vs Xbox)
