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[Erethrian]

Guys, just realized @masseffect deleted the tweet saying something like "maybe we won't alter the endings but expand them". Do you think it means something?

Edit: Also, did anyone take a screen of the tweet? It was one from the past week or so, and another one from yesterday or two days ago.

Edit2: Are they both deleted? I can't find the first one.

Modifié par Erethrian, 28 mars 2012 - 08:18 .

[Arian Dynas]

Interesting, Let me go get my tinfoil hat.

But yeah, still holding the line for Bioware still being sane in AK. Starting to think I should just visit Edmonton, sending letters only got me a "Thank your for your feedback" from Priestly.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Erethrian wrote...

Guys, just realized @masseffect deleted the tweet saying something like "maybe we won't alter the endings but expand them". Do you think it means something?

Edit: Also, did anyone take a screen of the tweet? It was one from the past week or so, and another one from yesterday or two days ago.

Edit2: Are they both deleted? I can't find the first one.

Interesting indeed , usually when stuff like this happens it's an error or they tell people it's error and later we find out it was the truth.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 28 mars 2012 - 08:22 .

[Erethrian]

Yep, this time @masseffect specified "they won't change anything, just add to what we already have", works for IT, works for me. But maybe a lot of rage from the fanbase hit the twitter account again... Idk, again, waiting for April.

Modifié par Erethrian, 28 mars 2012 - 08:25 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Except Synthesis is downright impossible, at least without mixing magic into it which you really should not since this is Science Fiction, everything we see or hear about is at least to some degree grounded in existing theories and possibilities, it is not Science Fantasy.

Magic is only magic until you look behind the curtain to see what it's doing.  You could debate possible ideas of how synthesis could work but it too would all be speculation.  If you can impale a human on a spike, drain fluid out of them (did they ever explain why the fluids were drained?) and replace them with cybernetic parts to create husks, the idea of creating a giant space cannon that infects organic hosts with synthetic life forms - and shoves these life forms around the galaxy through the mass relay system - isn't all that far fetched.  No more than a giant pulse that kills all synthetic life.  The only one that's clearly explainable by our current understanding is really control, but I think we all feel that's a pretty poor option and probably wouldn't work either.

I will give you that having it tossed in there at the end without explanation does go against the established themes and style of the series, but I wouldn't say you have to mix magic into it.  Someone just has to explain the sci fi behind it.

Sorry for the kinda late reply, but had to dig up the exact explanation of husk conversion. It took a bit longer since the most important part of describtion is actually not in codex entry, but rather is from the research logs on Sanctuary.

Basicly what converts a body into a husk are nanites that enter the body and remove the bodies water and minerals (kinda like a miniature harvesting process) and then replaces/rebuilds parts of the body with cybernetics which are activated by a electrical shock from the "Dragon Tooth."

Pulse Cannons are also entirely possible though unlikely in the scale we see in the ME3 ending, though again that is the ending the part where we also have Synthesis which I am arguing against and as such it aint exactly helping your argument to bring it up, since the Pulse part ties into the unrealistic stuff.

Synthesis as the god child explains it as mixing Synthetic and Organic into one DNA is impossible. Its like trying to make metal or stone grow by adding organic tissue. They are incompatible right down to the smallest level and can not be made into a single DNA.

[ZajoE38]

I don't know whether someone mentioned it, i don't feel like searching in 950 pages, but... the Reaper on Rannoch:
-Shepard
-You know who I am?
-Harbinger speaks of you. You resist. But you will fail.

Another proof?

[Erethrian]

??"@masseffect I'm hearing rumours that ME3 ending is going to be changed..."
Masseffect"@?? Not changed, but we are creating new content to clarify and add closure. That's all."

Hmm, well I've found what the tweet was all about. -^

Edit: typo

Edit2: More tweets deleted:


??"@masseffect did you feel pressured to change the ending, isn't it important to stick to your guns on some things?"
Masseffect"@?? We never said we were changing it We have ALWAYS had big plans for ME3. It isn't a response-It's been in the works"

Modifié par Erethrian, 28 mars 2012 - 08:38 .

[SauliusL]

ZajoE38 wrote...

I don't know whether someone mentioned it, i don't feel like searching in 950 pages, but... the Reaper on Rannoch:
-Shepard
-You know who I am?
-Harbinger speaks of you. You resist. But you will fail.

Another proof?

That could be about resistings to give up the fighting, but also could be IT proof. What I like is that all these subtle details are included in the game in such a way you always can understand them both ways. For me that shows the proof of brilliant /intended writing.

[Hunter_Wolf]

ZajoE38 wrote...

I don't know whether someone mentioned it, i don't feel like searching in 950 pages, but... the Reaper on Rannoch:
-Shepard
-You know who I am?
-Harbinger speaks of you. You resist. But you will fail.

Another proof?

That's just a doomed Reaper. Sovereign said the same sort of junk and Shepard showed it what's up. Not necessarily proof but it does imply Harbinger had a plan. 

Pity all it was, as far as how the game plays out currently, was shooting lasers down at you and flying away all majestically. 

[Hunter_Wolf]

Erethrian wrote...
??"@masseffect did you feel pressured to change the ending, isn't it important to stick to your guns on some things?"
Masseffect"@?? We never said we were changing it We have ALWAYS had big plans for ME3. It isn't a response-It's been in the works"

See this to me convinces me to the possibility that fans overreacted. Which isn't bad but we do not have all the cards on the table to predict what Bioware had planned.

The problem again however becomes the fact that we were given a fake ending and on  purpose no less. I can only assume some kind of episodic content that would carry on.

[Arian Dynas]

Posit.

I suggest we save page 1000 for a re-summation of the theory, presenting the entirety of our evidence in one block. Either that or synopsisozise it at the beginning and have the OP edit into her post so that we stop getting these jagoffs who come in trying to disprove a point we already covered.

[Erethrian]

Hunter_Wolf wrote...

Erethrian wrote...
??"@masseffect did you feel pressured to change the ending, isn't it important to stick to your guns on some things?"
Masseffect"@?? We never said we were changing it We have ALWAYS had big plans for ME3. It isn't a response-It's been in the works"

See this to me convinces me to the possibility that fans overreacted. Which isn't bad but we do not have all the cards on the table to predict what Bioware had planned.

The problem again however becomes the fact that we were given a fake ending and on  purpose no less. I can only assume some kind of episodic content that would carry on.

Yep, even if IT turns to be wrong (and I hope that's not the case) I can only guess about planned Expansion pack or planned post-ending DLC.

Edit: I refuse to think they didn't plan anything, but it's also a possibility, time will tell.

Edit2: Also, before the tweet was deleted, Mr. Chris posted this.

http://social.biowar...859/10#10711784

People are reading the wrong thing into this. We have always had DLC
plans for ME3. We said so long before launch. This is not news as ME and
ME2 had DLCs.

This is not a comment about "endings" DLC, just DLC in general.

Modifié par Erethrian, 28 mars 2012 - 08:48 .

[Esternogligen]

Too many people liked the Anderson/TIM confrontation on the Citadel. They're not gonna turn and say that wasn't real and ****** off the other half of the fanbase.

Modifié par Esternogligen, 28 mars 2012 - 08:50 .

[Arian Dynas]

I'm willing to bed none of this reaction was planned.

Oh, no I'm not saying I doubt IT, I think that Bioware and EA WAAAAAAAAAAAY underestimated the backlash of their little publicity stunt, and have been biting their tongues while trying to keep their twist under wraps, while they sort out damage control until the big reveal.

[Esternogligen]

It's too late, they can't fix this.

[Erethrian]

Esternogligen wrote...

Too many people liked the Anderson/TIM confrontation on the Citadel. They're not gonna turn and say that wasn't real and ****** off the other half of the fanbase.

I loved that scene, but it doesn't bother me if it wasn't "real". Because if Shep. wakes up and is told that Anderson died, s/he'll say something about the scene in his/her head, or s/he'll say something like "That's for Anderson you *********!" while destroying the reapers or something.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm willing to bed none of this reaction was planned.

Oh, no I'm not saying I doubt IT, I think that Bioware and EA WAAAAAAAAAAAY underestimated the backlash of their little publicity stunt, and have been biting their tongues while trying to keep their twist under wraps, while they sort out damage control until the big reveal.

Agreed, I hold little doubt in the theory itself, but the backlash I am quite sure was larger than predicted.

However if it was the plan all along to have a reveal on PAX all they can do is hang tight and make sure things dont slip.

[Arian Dynas]

Esternogligen wrote...

Too many people liked the Anderson/TIM confrontation on the Citadel. They're not gonna turn and say that wasn't real and ****** off the other half of the fanbase.

Sure they will.

Why? Because it's still important, and morever IT'S STILL THERE AND STILL INTERESTING.

Just because it's not the real TIM and Anderson doesn't make it any less interesting.

Besides, watching Shepard's psyche slowly collapsing on itself, seizing the most convinent avatars for mental personifications on it's way down, grabbing two of the most important figures in Shep's life? Watching a literal psychic battle between Ego (Shepard) Superego (Anderson) and Id? (TIM) this doesn't fascinate you?

Besides, I highly doubt that when DLC proving the IT is released, there will be people other than trolls calling for them to make the old endings canon again.

[Erethrian]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm willing to bed none of this reaction was planned.

Oh, no I'm not saying I doubt IT, I think that Bioware and EA WAAAAAAAAAAAY underestimated the backlash of their little publicity stunt, and have been biting their tongues while trying to keep their twist under wraps, while they sort out damage control until the big reveal.

Agreed, I hold little doubt in the theory itself, but the backlash I am quite sure was larger than predicted.

However if it was the plan all along to have a reveal on PAX all they can do is hang tight and make sure things dont slip.

*Nods*

I think they never expected this. So they needed the PR talk, trying to calm down the rage of their fanbase.

[Robhuzz]

ZajoE38 wrote...

I don't know whether someone mentioned it, i don't feel like searching in 950 pages, but... the Reaper on Rannoch:
-Shepard
-You know who I am?
-Harbinger speaks of you. You resist. But you will fail.

Another proof?

Resistance can also be taken literally here. The Human homeplanet was conquered by the Reapers in a matter of hours but Shepard rallies the rest of the galaxy to fight back against the Reapers. This counts as resisting in my book.

If nothing else it just shows that Harbinger hasn't suddenly forgotten about Shepard, and we really should have gotten (or will be getting) a conversation with Harbinger.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 28 mars 2012 - 08:54 .

[Hunter_Wolf]

Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm willing to bed none of this reaction was planned.

Oh, no I'm not saying I doubt IT, I think that Bioware and EA WAAAAAAAAAAAY underestimated the backlash of their little publicity stunt, and have been biting their tongues while trying to keep their twist under wraps, while they sort out damage control until the big reveal.

Pretty much. It seems way to impractical to deliberately come up with an ending like that with all the work that was put into the game itself that built up to that final moment. Sadly the characters aren't all  there this time around like ME2 but at the same time the loyalties in ME2 were crap anyways which I figure is why they toned it back to a smaller number.

[Arian Dynas]

Hunter_Wolf wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm willing to bed none of this reaction was planned.

Oh, no I'm not saying I doubt IT, I think that Bioware and EA WAAAAAAAAAAAY underestimated the backlash of their little publicity stunt, and have been biting their tongues while trying to keep their twist under wraps, while they sort out damage control until the big reveal.

Pretty much. It seems way to impractical to deliberately come up with an ending like that with all the work that was put into the game itself that built up to that final moment. Sadly the characters aren't all  there this time around like ME2 but at the same time the loyalties in ME2 were crap anyways which I figure is why they toned it back to a smaller number.

I have only one thing to say to this.

Huh? 

[NotAnotherDisplayName]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Sorry for the kinda late reply, but had to dig up the exact explanation of husk conversion. It took a bit longer since the most important part of describtion is actually not in codex entry, but rather is from the research logs on Sanctuary.

Basicly what converts a body into a husk are nanites that enter the body and remove the bodies water and minerals (kinda like a miniature harvesting process) and then replaces/rebuilds parts of the body with cybernetics which are activated by a electrical shock from the "Dragon Tooth."

Pulse Cannons are also entirely possible though unlikely in the scale we see in the ME3 ending, though again that is the ending the part where we also have Synthesis which I am arguing against and as such it aint exactly helping your argument to bring it up, since the Pulse part ties into the unrealistic stuff.

Synthesis as the god child explains it as mixing Synthetic and Organic into one DNA is impossible. Its like trying to make metal or stone grow by adding organic tissue. They are incompatible right down to the smallest level and can not be made into a single DNA.

You know something always felt off about the whole harvesting thing.  Not sure what it was about.  And as a side note, the ME3 ending made me way less upset than seeing the 'human reaper' in 2.  The only good thing about that thing was I got to blow it up. /rant

I'm not sure a pulse cannon the size of the citadel couldn't so something pretty ginormous given the tech of the reapers being so far ahead of the rest of civilization.  It's just as hard to imagine them sending out a EMP or giant synthetic-death-ray across the galaxy.  Again, control seems to be the only one that makes sense given the current fiction explanations. 

I also disagree that making synthetic and organic into one dna being impossible or magical- if you're dealing with nanotechnology, what is to say that you don't have DNA with pieces replaced with little robots.  To boot, DNA is really just a collection of atoms, and atoms are a collection of protons, neutrons, and electrons, which in turn are collections of stuff like quarks, then our understanding breaks down.  If the Reapers (or their bosses) have mastered dark energy, what is stopping them from fully integrating with carbon based dna on a subatomic level?

Edit: Above is inferring if they can master dark energy they have a greater understanding of how they could integrate at a subatomic level, not that those are one and the same

That however does bring me to a question that I can't answer at all- not whether or not it was possible, but assuming it is possible, why don't the Reapers just...synthesize?  If they can move in and wipe out the entire galaxy with megalasers, why can't they just synthesize whatever they want?  Were they waiting for the "right" dna pattern, in Shepard?  If that were the case, why not focus all your efforts on just catching him?  Maybe being a puny organic makes me not understand why you'd build a system that takes 100,000+ years to find a good candidate, in the mean time you spend all this energy eating organics.  You'd think if they were that smart they'd have a more clever selection committee.

Though the kid does say the cruicible changed him, and opened up new possibilities.  How the eff that happened, well I've got nothing on that.

Modifié par NotAnotherDisplayName, 28 mars 2012 - 09:06 .

[Hevilath]

I like this Indoctrination Theory. If that's true then we all was indoctrinated by Bioware, it will be something never done before in gaming history. I really hope Bioware can pull that off. But still releasing DLC (rumor: The Truth) with proper ending which isn't on medium is horrible thing to do - even if it's free. We will now soon enough - on April.

[Stigweird85]

Dendio1 wrote...

I'm just sayin without the ME2 stuff it doesnt seem possible. Or does it just assume you did all that stuff in a fresh ME3 game?

Im also curious about this

In general if your reputation is high enough you CAN overrule the requirements from previous game. i.e. If you do all t he side missions and all the fetch quests you should be okay.

If you rush the game, your options are limited and will depend on your actions.