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[Rob_K1]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

DreamTension wrote...

Rob_K1,
I was enjoying your other post as well. Very insightful stuff and it shows that Bioware has layers of information and hints spread throughout the games.

What it shows is that people see what they want to see.  Nothing more.

What it shows is that there is no definite proof for or against the indoctrination theory. There will be none until BioWare comes out with new content or speaks out on the endings.

There is plenty of proof against IT.  99% of the game and 99% of the ending itself is proof against IT. But funnily enough, confirmation bias has led people to take that proof and spin it into evidence that actually supports the theory.

I just think it's too funny that people are waiting for a Bioware "announcement," as if there is any chance whatsoever that the company is going to say, "Oh yeah, it was Indoctrination Theory.  Good call."

Actually, you know what? Screw the rest of the post I had written up.

I'm going to be an **** and say I have proof that 99% of the game was indoctrination and that 99% of the ending was indoctrination.

See how easy it is to say that? See how ****'ish or idiotic it might make you look even though you don't have, or show (to be diplomatic), said proof?

All both sides have is speculation. Only I think the evidence for outweighs that against it and like others have said, show your 'proof'.

Actually, even if you do, I won't reply because I honestly have nothing else to say to you nor do I have the will to do so.

Slag me off, tear the post down or do whatever you want, but stop treating your view as 'fact', while trying to shoot others down.

Modifié par Rob_K1, 28 mars 2012 - 04:26 .

[savagejuicebox]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

DreamTension wrote...

Rob_K1,
I was enjoying your other post as well. Very insightful stuff and it shows that Bioware has layers of information and hints spread throughout the games.

What it shows is that people see what they want to see.  Nothing more.

What it shows is that there is no definite proof for or against the indoctrination theory. There will be none until BioWare comes out with new content or speaks out on the endings.

There is plenty of proof against IT.  99% of the game and 99% of the ending itself is proof against IT. But funnily enough, confirmation bias has led people to take that proof and spin it into evidence that actually supports the theory.

I just think it's too funny that people are waiting for a Bioware "announcement," as if there is any chance whatsoever that the company is going to say, "Oh yeah, it was Indoctrination Theory.  Good call."

Oh look its another guy that thinks hes to smart to be fooled by bioware, no worries CaliGuy we wont tell anybody your pride was hurt. You are obviously waaaayyyy to smart for that, no way anything gets past you.

Its good to know someone has all the answers.... even if they wont explain them...<_<

Modifié par savagejuicebox, 28 mars 2012 - 04:22 .

[NotAnotherDisplayName]

[quote]variobunz wrote...

[Why not discuss that? It is not directly about the ending. One could read that together with the statement that the best possible outcome does not require MP as: the current endings are not final, we planned a way to the ending (that is yet to happen) that does not require you to have the currently needed 4k/5k EMS for the perfect outcome.
[/quote]


That response is indeed a bit weird

Why wait until april to give info about EMS?
Unless...

HOLD THE LINE!!!

[/quote]

Remember after the game ends your game reloads just before the final push, before you go into the TIM's base.  If they give you DLC to 'build the legend of Shepard', you could find sidequests that build up your EMS.  If you got to that point of the game and didn't break the whatever thousand barrier, the DLC give you the chance to recover some of this without having to replay the whole game (or 3 games).

DLC/Title Update announcements are tricky business- give away too much too early and you can negatively impact sales/downloads...give away too little to late and you can do the same.

Edit: BTW, I can't keep up with the pace this thread is growing at, if I've missed jabs aimed at me earlier, apologies for not responding.  I'm not ignoring, just don't have time to read it all

Modifié par NotAnotherDisplayName, 28 mars 2012 - 04:24 .

[FrostByte-GER]

And? Some important news?

[savagejuicebox]

Rob_K1 wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

DreamTension wrote...

Rob_K1,
I was enjoying your other post as well. Very insightful stuff and it shows that Bioware has layers of information and hints spread throughout the games.

What it shows is that people see what they want to see.  Nothing more.

What it shows is that there is no definite proof for or against the indoctrination theory. There will be none until BioWare comes out with new content or speaks out on the endings.

There is plenty of proof against IT.  99% of the game and 99% of the ending itself is proof against IT. But funnily enough, confirmation bias has led people to take that proof and spin it into evidence that actually supports the theory.

I just think it's too funny that people are waiting for a Bioware "announcement," as if there is any chance whatsoever that the company is going to say, "Oh yeah, it was Indoctrination Theory.  Good call."

Actually, you know what? Screw the rest of the post I had written up.

I'm going to be an **** and say I have proof that 99% of the game was indoctrination and that 99% of the ending was indoctrination.

See how easy it is to say that? See how ****'ish or idiotic it might make you look even though you don't have said proof?

All both sides have is speculation. Only I think the evidence for outweighs that against it and like others have said, show your 'proof'.

Actually, even if you do, I won't reply because I honestly have nothing else to say to you nor do I have the will to do so.

Slag me off, tear the post down or do whatever you want, but stop treating your view as 'fact', while trying to shoot others down.

well played sir.

[IronSabbath88]

Purple People Eater wrote...

Look, I dont care if the ending is due to IT or not, but one thing is for sure. there is a lot of evidence to support the claim. People who say IT is ridiculous and that those of us who believe it are grasping at straws, never have a decent counterpoint to tell us why it cant be. The only people I see dogging IT are the ones who just dont want that to be whats really happening, or they find some trivial thing to hold on to while telling us were deluded.

If it turns out not to be IT...then fine. Im good with it. But, until Bioware disproves this (which they haven't to this point), im going to believe thats whats happening. Not because its what I want, but because it makes the most sense given what we know about indoctrination and its effects, and what happened in the game.

Most of them probably picked Control or Synthesis and don't want to look like idiots.

[CaliGuy033]

Rob_K1 wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

DreamTension wrote...

Rob_K1,
I was enjoying your other post as well. Very insightful stuff and it shows that Bioware has layers of information and hints spread throughout the games.

What it shows is that people see what they want to see.  Nothing more.

What it shows is that there is no definite proof for or against the indoctrination theory. There will be none until BioWare comes out with new content or speaks out on the endings.

There is plenty of proof against IT.  99% of the game and 99% of the ending itself is proof against IT. But funnily enough, confirmation bias has led people to take that proof and spin it into evidence that actually supports the theory.

I just think it's too funny that people are waiting for a Bioware "announcement," as if there is any chance whatsoever that the company is going to say, "Oh yeah, it was Indoctrination Theory.  Good call."

Actually, you know what? Screw the rest of the post I had written up.

I'm going to be an **** and say I have proof that 99% of the game was indoctrination and that 99% of the ending was indoctrination.

See how easy it is to say that? See how ****'ish or idiotic it might make you look even though you don't have said proof?

All both sides have is speculation. Only I think the evidence for outweighs that against it and like others have said, show your 'proof'.

Actually, even if you do, I won't reply because I honestly have nothing else to say to you nor do I have the will to do so.

Slag me off, tear the post down or do whatever you want, but stop treating your view as 'fact', while trying to shoot others down.

I'm not treating my view as "fact."  I can't tell you what writers at Bioware who I've never talked to intended.

What I can tell you is that you seriously lack a sound understanding of what "evidence" is.  More specifically, you do not seem to understand how to weigh the value of circumstantial evidence.

[n00bsauce2010]

JustAidan wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

MutsX wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...



By the way it might be possible. Bioware said the game will take about 40 hours. But it needed 31 hours and most other players I talked to were always between 30 and 33.
and I don t know if its true, but I heared the XBOX version is much bigger, then the PC version.

I played the xbox360 game to the fullest (incl scanning/sidemissions etc) and didnot skip a conversation, I ended up playing roughly 43 hours, as an expierenced ME player. In my opinion; 33 hours is very quick for a 360 first-time run.. 

But why would BioWare cut stuff from the pc-version?

on-topic, I hope that they reveal at PAX that the IT was their aim all along!

So I might be much more Me experienced
No seriously, if you got a PC with origin, u can download bigger additional content easiely, but I is a little more complex on the XBox, especially because some versions of the 360 got only 4 gigs harddrive space.
I don't believe in the theorie, that at some point the IDT get revealed and playable on the Xbox, PC or PS3, but I still don't have a clue, where the larger Xbox version is comming from.

360/PS3 size is 14gbs, PC size is <10gbs. When companies put patchs and DLC onto the 360/PS3 are Microsoft/SONY charge the company or don't allow the DLC to be free. PC version goes through Origin so no extra costs for EA there. If there was any hidden content installed by the PC version it would have been found by inquistive players by now.

So Bioware/EA might have left game assests (not necessarily the full ending) on the 360/PC versions to bring down their costs to Microsoft/SONY in the future. Possibly even stuff they haven't used at all or cut from the game, left over bits that they might use etc.

There were a lot of us discussing this theory last night. Definitley a good note. Only way to know for sure is to have someone figure out a way to go deep into the files of the ps3/360 version and find out exactly what lies inside. We came to the conclusion that the ps3/360 usually include all language files on the disk.. and that takes up a damn lot of space. While PC probably uses a patch to get them I'm assuming and only installs the language default to the OS.

[savagejuicebox]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Purple People Eater wrote...

Look, I dont care if the ending is due to IT or not, but one thing is for sure. there is a lot of evidence to support the claim. People who say IT is ridiculous and that those of us who believe it are grasping at straws, never have a decent counterpoint to tell us why it cant be. The only people I see dogging IT are the ones who just dont want that to be whats really happening, or they find some trivial thing to hold on to while telling us were deluded.

If it turns out not to be IT...then fine. Im good with it. But, until Bioware disproves this (which they haven't to this point), im going to believe thats whats happening. Not because its what I want, but because it makes the most sense given what we know about indoctrination and its effects, and what happened in the game.

Most of them probably picked Control or Synthesis and don't want to look like idiots.

Like i said earlier, its a pride thing, there are people out there that took it at face value and refuse to admit they were wrong, therefore; the IT is wrong.

They also get angry about it for some reason...

[thelightofspeed]

Look, I dont care if the ending is due to IT or not, but one thing is for sure. there is a lot of evidence to support the claim. People who say IT is ridiculous and that those of us who believe it are grasping at straws, never have a decent counterpoint to tell us why it cant be.

Here's why you'll never get that:

Indoctrination theory involves a portion of the game being a dream. This inevitably brings us back to the classic metaphysical condundrum, "How do we know we're not dreaming right now?". There is, of course, no proof to the contrary. Everything that seems normal and usual could simply be part of the dream. However, anything seen as incoherent with our idea or 'form' (ie, Plato) of reality is seen to support the idea that we're dreaming. Deja vu, for instance, was used to show a 'dream state' in the Matrix - the world around Neo was not real. 

In this sense, there can only ever be proof FOR a 'dream state', rather than against it... because anything is explainable within a dream, whereas some facets may seem unexplainable within 'reality'.

This is exactly what's happening with supporters of Indoctrination 'Theory'. People are highlighting inconsistencies with our idea of reality as evidence that Shepard was dreaming, and there can be no evidence to the contrary. What would disprove it? If someone had said "you're not dreaming, Shepard"? That could still be in-dream. Hell, what's the proof the series wasn't just a dream the Stargazer had once? Nothing, right?

It's silly to complain about nobody ever having a decent counterpoint, because the only way to 'falsify' it is by having Bioware tell us whether it was intentional or not (and even then, there would be... speculation). Instead, the burden of proof is significantly on the side of those positing a dream state.

The question is, have Indoc 'Theorists' met that extraordinarily high burden of proof?

Modifié par thelightofspeed, 28 mars 2012 - 04:29 .

[David Bergsma]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...

MutsX wrote...

Gernbuster wrote...



By the way it might be possible. Bioware said the game will take about 40 hours. But it needed 31 hours and most other players I talked to were always between 30 and 33.
and I don t know if its true, but I heared the XBOX version is much bigger, then the PC version.

I played the xbox360 game to the fullest (incl scanning/sidemissions etc) and didnot skip a conversation, I ended up playing roughly 43 hours, as an expierenced ME player. In my opinion; 33 hours is very quick for a 360 first-time run.. 

But why would BioWare cut stuff from the pc-version?

on-topic, I hope that they reveal at PAX that the IT was their aim all along!

So I might be much more Me experienced
No seriously, if you got a PC with origin, u can download bigger additional content easiely, but I is a little more complex on the XBox, especially because some versions of the 360 got only 4 gigs harddrive space.
I don't believe in the theorie, that at some point the IDT get revealed and playable on the Xbox, PC or PS3, but I still don't have a clue, where the larger Xbox version is comming from.

360/PS3 size is 14gbs, PC size is <10gbs. When companies put patchs and DLC onto the 360/PS3 are Microsoft/SONY charge the company or don't allow the DLC to be free. PC version goes through Origin so no extra costs for EA there. If there was any hidden content installed by the PC version it would have been found by inquistive players by now.

So Bioware/EA might have left game assests (not necessarily the full ending) on the 360/PC versions to bring down their costs to Microsoft/SONY in the future. Possibly even stuff they haven't used at all or cut from the game, left over bits that they might use etc.

There were a lot of us discussing this theory last night. Definitley a good note. Only way to know for sure is to have someone figure out a way to go deep into the files of the ps3/360 version and find out exactly what lies inside. We came to the conclusion that the ps3/360 usually include all language files on the disk.. and that takes up a damn lot of space. While PC probably uses a patch to get them I'm assuming and only installs the language default to the OS.

xbox 360 version is NOT multilanguage

[CaliGuy033]

thelightofspeed wrote...

Look, I dont care if the ending is due to IT or not, but one thing is for sure. there is a lot of evidence to support the claim. People who say IT is ridiculous and that those of us who believe it are grasping at straws, never have a decent counterpoint to tell us why it cant be.

Here's why you'll never get that:

Indoctrination theory involves a portion of the game being a dream. This inevitably brings us back to the classic metaphysical condundrum, "How do we know we're not dreaming right now?". There is, of course, no proof to the contrary. Everything that seems normal and usual could simply be part of the dream. However, anything seen as incoherent with our idea or 'form' (ie, Plato) of reality is seen to support the idea that we're dreaming. Deja vu, for instance, was used to show a 'dream state' in the Matrix - the world around Neo was not real. 

In this sense, there can only ever be proof FOR a 'dream state', rather than against it... because anything is explainable within a dream, whereas some facets may seem unexplainable within 'reality'.

This is exactly what's happening with supporters of Indoctrination 'Theory'. People are highlighting inconsistencies with our idea of reality as evidence that Shepard was dreaming, and there can be no evidence to the contrary. What would disprove it? If someone had said "you're not dreaming, Shepard"? That could still be in-dream. Hell, what's the proof the series wasn't just a dream the Stargazer had once? Nothing, right?

It's silly to complain about nobody ever having a decent counterpoint, because the only way to 'falsify' it is by having Bioware tell us whether it was intentional or not (and even then, there would be... speculation). Instead, the burden of proof is significantly on the side of those positing a dream state.

The question is, have Indoc 'Theorists' met that extraordinarily high burden of proof?

This guy gets it.  

[n00bsauce2010]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

DreamTension wrote...

Rob_K1,
I was enjoying your other post as well. Very insightful stuff and it shows that Bioware has layers of information and hints spread throughout the games.

What it shows is that people see what they want to see.  Nothing more.

What it shows is that there is no definite proof for or against the indoctrination theory. There will be none until BioWare comes out with new content or speaks out on the endings.

There is plenty of proof against IT.  99% of the game and 99% of the ending itself is proof against IT. But funnily enough, confirmation bias has led people to take that proof and spin it into evidence that actually supports the theory.

I just think it's too funny that people are waiting for a Bioware "announcement," as if there is any chance whatsoever that the company is going to say, "Oh yeah, it was Indoctrination Theory.  Good call."

Actually, you know what? Screw the rest of the post I had written up.

I'm going to be an **** and say I have proof that 99% of the game was indoctrination and that 99% of the ending was indoctrination.

See how easy it is to say that? See how ****'ish or idiotic it might make you look even though you don't have said proof?

All both sides have is speculation. Only I think the evidence for outweighs that against it and like others have said, show your 'proof'.

Actually, even if you do, I won't reply because I honestly have nothing else to say to you nor do I have the will to do so.

Slag me off, tear the post down or do whatever you want, but stop treating your view as 'fact', while trying to shoot others down.

I'm not treating my view as "fact."  I can't tell you what writers at Bioware who I've never talked to intended.

What I can tell you is that you seriously lack a sound understanding of what "evidence" is.  More specifically, you do not seem to understand how to weigh the value of circumstantial evidence.

Certainly seems like you are. Your "99% of the game and ending is proof against it" Certainly seems like you think your own opinion is fact when indeed it isn't. I ask one simple question. Why are you here? You present no valid arguments. And almost every single post you have is "the IDT is wrong because I said so." If you're not here to discuss or argue against the theory in a respectable manner. Why are you here? Because it seems to me like you're here to sh*t on other people's opinions.

[Rob_K1]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Purple People Eater wrote...

Look, I dont care if the ending is due to IT or not, but one thing is for sure. there is a lot of evidence to support the claim. People who say IT is ridiculous and that those of us who believe it are grasping at straws, never have a decent counterpoint to tell us why it cant be. The only people I see dogging IT are the ones who just dont want that to be whats really happening, or they find some trivial thing to hold on to while telling us were deluded.

If it turns out not to be IT...then fine. Im good with it. But, until Bioware disproves this (which they haven't to this point), im going to believe thats whats happening. Not because its what I want, but because it makes the most sense given what we know about indoctrination and its effects, and what happened in the game.

Most of them probably picked Control or Synthesis and don't want to look like idiots.

There is only one video I've seen that makes a reasonable attempt at disproving the theory. Most of it hinges on proofing that Shepard didn't take a breath on Earth.

The creator analysed the texture of the rubble and rebar on Earth, plus the tubing on the Citadel. If I can find the link, I'll link it here.

That said, I still believe it is Earth he wakes up on and he never left, but as I've harped on about it, I don't view what I believe in as fact. Still, at least someone actually went to the trouble of trying to credibly disprove it rather than making claims similar to what I addressed above. And hell, I think the video might be credible, even though I again disagree. It comes down to personal interpretation.

[streamlock]

Well, I'm still holding out some hope to this. Especially since I thought half way through the game I thought that Shep was being indoc. I just felt it was never expanded upon.

It is like string theory. Sure, it sounds plausible, and seems to explain the available data. But there is no way in hell to prove/disprove it using currently available data/methods.

No way to tell until an announcement. It sure the hell beats taking the ending at purely face value though. Again- like string theory-it beats having to succumb to the fact that the universe is just a confusing random nonsensical mess.

[BleedingUranium]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

CaliGuy033 wrote...

DreamTension wrote...

Rob_K1,
I was enjoying your other post as well. Very insightful stuff and it shows that Bioware has layers of information and hints spread throughout the games.

What it shows is that people see what they want to see.  Nothing more.

What it shows is that there is no definite proof for or against the indoctrination theory. There will be none until BioWare comes out with new content or speaks out on the endings.

There is plenty of proof against IT.  99% of the game and 99% of the ending itself is proof against IT. But funnily enough, confirmation bias has led people to take that proof and spin it into evidence that actually supports the theory.

I just think it's too funny that people are waiting for a Bioware "announcement," as if there is any chance whatsoever that the company is going to say, "Oh yeah, it was Indoctrination Theory.  Good call."

Actually, you know what? Screw the rest of the post I had written up.

I'm going to be an **** and say I have proof that 99% of the game was indoctrination and that 99% of the ending was indoctrination.

See how easy it is to say that? See how ****'ish or idiotic it might make you look even though you don't have said proof?

All both sides have is speculation. Only I think the evidence for outweighs that against it and like others have said, show your 'proof'.

Actually, even if you do, I won't reply because I honestly have nothing else to say to you nor do I have the will to do so.

Slag me off, tear the post down or do whatever you want, but stop treating your view as 'fact', while trying to shoot others down.

I'm not treating my view as "fact."  I can't tell you what writers at Bioware who I've never talked to intended.

What I can tell you is that you seriously lack a sound understanding of what "evidence" is.  More specifically, you do not seem to understand how to weigh the value of circumstantial evidence.

Certainly seems like you are. Your "99% of the game and ending is proof against it" Certainly seems like you think your own opinion is fact when indeed it isn't. I ask one simple question. Why are you here? You present no valid arguments. And almost every single post you have is "the IDT is wrong because I said so." If you're not here to discuss or argue against the theory in a respectable manner. Why are you here? Because it seems to me like you're here to sh*t on other people's opinions.

I usually don't get involved in Internet arguements like this, but seriously, I'd love to see someone counter a main point of this theory.

[n00bsauce2010]

@Caliguy033 - explain why the last 10-15 minutes of the game makes absolutely no sense and why the indoctrination theory is the easiest/best way to explain it other than "the ending sucks and I said so and because Bioware writers are bad"

We know Bioware writers are capable of it- Kotor, Jade Empire

We know Bioware/EA didn't run out money- Especially for one of the most anticipated games of 2012. EA pumped a ton of money into this game. They wanted it to be a success and for the most part it is

We know they didn't run out of time- They already extended the release date 3-4 months. That seems to me like more than enough time to finish up the game and polish it.

[Macgummi]

I´m reading this thread for a long time now and I really believe the IT is a plausible explanation for the bad endings. Everything makes sense, now I´m just waiting for PAX. Also I´m impressed how nice and kind the people here are even after nearly 1000 sites. I trust Bioware and I´m holding the line in Germany! (sorry for the bad english...)

[n00bsauce2010]

Macgummi wrote...

I´m reading this thread for a long time now and I really believe the IT is a plausible explanation for the bad endings. Everything makes sense, now I´m just waiting for PAX. Also I´m impressed how nice and kind the people here are even after nearly 1000 sites. I trust Bioware and I´m holding the line in Germany! (sorry for the bad english...)

English looks fine to me. Thanks

[DreamTension]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

thelightofspeed wrote...

Look, I dont care if the ending is due to IT or not, but one thing is for sure. there is a lot of evidence to support the claim. People who say IT is ridiculous and that those of us who believe it are grasping at straws, never have a decent counterpoint to tell us why it cant be.

Here's why you'll never get that:

Indoctrination theory involves a portion of the game being a dream. This inevitably brings us back to the classic metaphysical condundrum, "How do we know we're not dreaming right now?". There is, of course, no proof to the contrary. Everything that seems normal and usual could simply be part of the dream. However, anything seen as incoherent with our idea or 'form' (ie, Plato) of reality is seen to support the idea that we're dreaming. Deja vu, for instance, was used to show a 'dream state' in the Matrix - the world around Neo was not real. 

In this sense, there can only ever be proof FOR a 'dream state', rather than against it... because anything is explainable within a dream, whereas some facets may seem unexplainable within 'reality'.

This is exactly what's happening with supporters of Indoctrination 'Theory'. People are highlighting inconsistencies with our idea of reality as evidence that Shepard was dreaming, and there can be no evidence to the contrary. What would disprove it? If someone had said "you're not dreaming, Shepard"? That could still be in-dream. Hell, what's the proof the series wasn't just a dream the Stargazer had once? Nothing, right?

It's silly to complain about nobody ever having a decent counterpoint, because the only way to 'falsify' it is by having Bioware tell us whether it was intentional or not (and even then, there would be... speculation). Instead, the burden of proof is significantly on the side of those positing a dream state.

The question is, have Indoc 'Theorists' met that extraordinarily high burden of proof?

This guy gets it.  

Everything this person said hinges on DREAM. 
IDT is not the same as saying everything is a dream (WOW this whole game is a dream...man...wow).  NO.  It's not saying that.  IDT is not a dream...people say 'dream'
because it's a whole easier to say dream than indoctrination is
controlling of one's thoughts and actions. 

Plus the IDT has a very specific timeline with several events backing up this specific timeline. 

But the 'have Indoc 'Theorists' met that extraordinarily high burden of proof?' question is very relevant.  And unfortunately the answer is 'to each their own' with this.  I see the evidence laid out and think this makes entirely too much sense.  Others may not. 

But all you have done is, frankly, said 'nuh uh' and provided zero counter argument.

[draken-heart]

 here is the thing about what is going on in the Forum Civil War-Confirmation Bias: 
In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias (or confirmatory bias) is a tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions, leading to statistical errors.

that is what both sides are doing, so shut up and wait for Bioware to answer.

[savagejuicebox]

Macgummi wrote...

I´m reading this thread for a long time now and I really believe the IT is a plausible explanation for the bad endings. Everything makes sense, now I´m just waiting for PAX. Also I´m impressed how nice and kind the people here are even after nearly 1000 sites. I trust Bioware and I´m holding the line in Germany! (sorry for the bad english...)

Welcome aboard!

[SC0TTYD00]

People are getting really agitated on these forums now, turning a bit nasty. Might tune out for a week or 2 until April.

[draken-heart]

implications....unpleasant /Mordin impression

[n00bsauce2010]

draken-heart wrote...

implications....unpleasant /Mordin impression

Ending discussion.. problematic.