CaliGuy033 wrote...
Rob_K1 wrote...
CaliGuy033 wrote...
Rob_K1 wrote...
CaliGuy033 wrote...
DreamTension wrote...
Rob_K1,
I was enjoying your other post as well. Very insightful stuff and it shows that Bioware has layers of information and hints spread throughout the games.
What it shows is that people see what they want to see. Nothing more.
What it shows is that there is no definite proof for or against the indoctrination theory. There will be none until BioWare comes out with new content or speaks out on the endings.
There is plenty of proof against IT. 99% of the game and 99% of the ending itself is proof against IT. But funnily enough, confirmation bias has led people to take that proof and spin it into evidence that actually supports the theory.
I just think it's too funny that people are waiting for a Bioware "announcement," as if there is any chance whatsoever that the company is going to say, "Oh yeah, it was Indoctrination Theory. Good call."
Actually, you know what? Screw the rest of the post I had written up.
I'm going to be an **** and say I have proof that 99% of the game was indoctrination and that 99% of the ending was indoctrination.
See how easy it is to say that? See how ****'ish or idiotic it might make you look even though you don't have said proof?
All both sides have is speculation. Only I think the evidence for outweighs that against it and like others have said, show your 'proof'.
Actually, even if you do, I won't reply because I honestly have nothing else to say to you nor do I have the will to do so.
Slag me off, tear the post down or do whatever you want, but stop treating your view as 'fact', while trying to shoot others down.
I'm not treating my view as "fact." I can't tell you what writers at Bioware who I've never talked to intended.
What I can tell you is that you seriously lack a sound understanding of what "evidence" is. More specifically, you do not seem to understand how to weigh the value of circumstantial evidence.
(Most people may want to skip down to the bottom of this post where videos are linked, therefore doing what Calib should have done, where people are trying to disprove indoctrination.)
Evidence:
Evidence in its broadest sense includes everything that is used to determine or demonstrate the
truth of an assertion. Giving or procuring evidence is the process of using those things that are either
(a) presumed to be true, or (
were themselves proven via evidence, to demonstrate an assertion's truth. Evidence is the currency by which one fulfills the burden of proof.Many issues surround evidence, making it the subject of much discussion and disagreement. In addition to its subtlety, evidence playsan important role in many academic disciplines, including
science and
law, adding to the discourse surrounding it.
An important distinction in the field of evidence is that some
circumstantial evidence and
direct evidence,
or evidence that suggests truth as opposed to evidence that directly proves truth. Many have seen this line to be less-than-clear and significant arguments have arisen over the difference.
(End of quote)
My understanding is quite fine, thankyou.
You waltz right on in here and claim there's proof showing 99% of the game and ending wasn't indoctrination, by just stating it.
At least a good chunk of this thread is dedicated to providing links to backup claims. You provide nothing of the sort other than 'there is proof that 99% of the game and endings is not indoctrination'.
And I'm sorry. You're saying you're not claiming your opinion is fact?
Last I checked, proof means:
Proof (truth), sufficient evidence or argument for the truth of a proposition.
Proof: Information or evidence that shows that something is definitely true or definitely exists.
Evidence, proof - Evidence—from Latin e-, "out," and videre, "to see"— is information that
helps form a conclusion; proof is factual information that verifies a
conclusion.
proof - any factual evidence that helps to establish the truth of
something; "if you have any proof for what you say, now is the time to
produce it"
So, it certainly can be read as you thinking something is factual.
So, I'm going to do what you should have done in the first place and provide a source that could backup some of your claims (incidentally the video I referenced earlier):
VideoI will give it to the folks on the other side of the camp that Shepard's dreams could be equated to PTSD. But even then, we only have speculation. For instance, the kid is shown burning when Shepard reaches him in the final dream. The shadowy figures form a barrier around the kid as well, as though they're trying to stop Shepard reaching him.
Again, all we have is 'speculation'. No facts or proof that can be given to say something is definitely the case or not.
Modifié par Rob_K1, 28 mars 2012 - 06:57 .
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