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[IronSabbath88]

Mondino wrote...

Anyone looked at the sound track, the 33th song is called Indoctrinated and it's near the end, and if i remeber right it's the song that plays while you try to go to the beam after getting hit by the laser.

Someone needs to confirm this..

[baruaru]

Mondino wrote...

Anyone looked at the sound track, the 33th song is called Indoctrinated and it's near the end, and if i remeber right it's the song that plays while you try to go to the beam after getting hit by the laser.

Didnt looked at it. Gotta see quickly.

[llbountyhunter]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

We've spent 900 pages providing proof. If you didn't pay attention, that's your problem. Things like Shepard surviving only in destroy, his eyes going TIM (indoctrinated) on synth or control, the random buzzing and ringing noises through the game that serve no purpose except as symptoms of indoctrination, ect. aren't just "that's weird and might be a dream". They're clearly purposefully done very strong indications of IT. 900 pages is enough. The burden of proof has been provided.

Oh, well if they've "clearly purposefully done it," then you must be right.  Thanks for clearing that up for all of us. 

Your 900 pages of weak proof add up to a weak conclusion.  Adding one weak inference to another, and then doing that ad nauseum, doesn't create a persuasive point.  What you have is 900 pages of confirmation bias and people who really, really don't want to believe that Bioware let them down.  

And you provide no evidence at all, and are are one of those who really, really want to believe Bioware is full of writers who got drunk or high writing the last ten minutes of thegame

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 28 mars 2012 - 06:18 .

[streamlock]

I don't get why people are getting irate over people believing/supporting the Indoc/LSD theory anyway. I mean, "It's lots of speculation" just like the dev's were hoping for correct?

Right or wrong, bioware has not come out and said anything toward the specific topic-so it's as good a theory as Sheppard's a tool of an AI god and Joker gets to repopulate the species on a magic planet.

Good lord, what would they do if it 'does' turn out to be true? Physically explode? At this point I hope Bioware puts it in even if it was not originally intended just to watch the fireworks.

[SharpVec]

NS Wizdum wrote...

Just saw this on the ME3 twitter. Not the end of the franchise? WTF?

https://picasaweb.go...feat=directlink

ME3 was supposed to be the end of Shepard's story (I think).
Not the entire franchise.

Yay! :happy:

Modifié par SharpVec, 28 mars 2012 - 06:16 .

[CaliGuy033]

Rifneno wrote...

You shouldn't stick your head in the ground so much.  You know how many animals ****** on it?

I find this incredibly ironic when your position is most accurately summed up as: "I don't want to believe that Bioware let me down with this bad ending, so in my state of extreme denial, I came up with a new ending." 

[NikolaiShade]

@CaliGuy033

I'm sorry, but since we have no "proof" for IT nor any other explanation, at least for now, until BioWare speaks clearly, we can add all the circustantial evidence for one theory or the other, they're still all true and all false at the same time.

[Stigweird85]

NS Wizdum wrote...

Just saw this on the ME3 twitter. Not the end of the franchise? WTF?

https://picasaweb.go...feat=directlink

Would you want it to be th end of the franchise? I don't 

[Luiginius]

NS Wizdum wrote...

Just saw this on the ME3 twitter. Not the end of the franchise? WTF?

https://picasaweb.go...feat=directlink

That was stated before launch already. They'll make me4, lord knows what it is going to be about. Going by Casey's quotes it'll be a prequel.

[CaliGuy033]

llbountyhunter wrote...

And you provide no evidence at all, and are are one of those who really, really want to beloved Bioware is as writers who got drunk or high writing the last ten minutes of thegame

Nobody knows what you're saying. 

[BastiSito]

Mondino wrote...

Anyone looked at the sound track, the 33th song is called Indoctrinated and it's near the end, and if i remeber right it's the song that plays while you try to go to the beam after getting hit by the laser.

The Soundtrack ends with
"25-CE Extra-Creation"

Well, the downloadable Soundtrack of the N7-CE.
Am I missing.... at least 8 tracks?

[Stigweird85]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Mondino wrote...

Anyone looked at the sound track, the 33th song is called Indoctrinated and it's near the end, and if i remeber right it's the song that plays while you try to go to the beam after getting hit by the laser.

Someone needs to confirm this..

Soundtrack with CE only has 25 tracks, including 2 bonus exclusives for the CE. It's fake

[CaliGuy033]

NikolaiShade wrote...

@CaliGuy033

I'm sorry, but since we have no "proof" for IT nor any other explanation, at least for now, until BioWare speaks clearly, we can add all the circustantial evidence for one theory or the other, they're still all true and all false at the same time.

Here's where we differ.  You're speaking in terms of "true" or "false."  I'm not.  I cannot tell you that IT is "false."  I have no idea--I didn't write the game.

What I can tell you is that the arguments for IT are incredibly weak, and that the evidence supporting the theory is incredibly weak.  

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

NikolaiShade wrote...

@CaliGuy033

I'm sorry, but since we have no "proof" for IT nor any other explanation, at least for now, until BioWare speaks clearly, we can add all the circustantial evidence for one theory or the other, they're still all true and all false at the same time.

Here's where we differ.  You're speaking in terms of "true" or "false."  I'm not.  I cannot tell you that IT is "false."  I have no idea--I didn't write the game.

What I can tell you is that the arguments for IT are incredibly weak, and that the evidence supporting the theory is incredibly weak.  

Oh yeah I am sure you looked through all 900+ pages judging every piece of evidence seperately before coming to this stunning conclusion.

Fact is at the moment we have more proof supporting the It theory than you have disproving it (you have zip), so bring something to the table or leave the thread please.

[llbountyhunter]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

And you provide no evidence at all, and are are one of those who really, really want to beloved Bioware is as writers who got drunk or high writing the last ten minutes of thegame

Nobody knows what you're saying. 

Sorry keyboard problems.... using my phone.....

[BastiSito]

streamlock wrote...

I don't get why people are getting irate over people believing/supporting the Indoc/LSD theory anyway. I mean, "It's lots of speculation" just like the dev's were hoping for correct?

Right or wrong, bioware has not come out and said anything toward the specific topic-so it's as good a theory as Sheppard's a tool of an AI god and Joker gets to repopulate the species on a magic planet.

Good lord, what would they do if it 'does' turn out to be true? Physically explode? At this point I hope Bioware puts it in even if it was not originally intended just to watch the fireworks.

Erm - I really like the ending as it is today. I like speculations and what-ifs about indoctrination, but really, I like it as it is. It is just right for the main protagonist to perish at the end.

No little blue children for my Jennifer Shepard, just a decision of controlling, destroying or sythesizing. Happy endings suck.

[baruaru]

bigstig wrote...

NS Wizdum wrote...

Just saw this on the ME3 twitter. Not the end of the franchise? WTF?

https://picasaweb.go...feat=directlink

Would you want it to be the end of the franchise? I don't 

But for Zeus sakes, i want a Hanar as squadmate!!!!!!!!1111!!!2!@! Rofl.

[Novouto]

lex0r11 wrote...

Hacedor1566 wrote...

Macgummi wrote...

Novouto wrote...

Is it sad that I literally dreamed a better ending last night in detail?

to be honest, I also had a dream about it  a few days ago...

You both are indoctrinated...  

THIS was Bioware's real intention.


http://desmond.image....gif&res=medium

Mind. Blown.

[thelightofspeed]

Fact is at the moment we have more proof supporting the It theory than you have disproving it (you have zip), so bring something to the table or leave the thread please.

This is invalid.

The "it wasn't real!" hypothesis can never be disproven - it is an unfalsifiable metaphysical quandary. The burden of proof lies solely on you to prove it, and there is absolutely no demand on the 'defendant' to provide counterevidence.

[NikolaiShade]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

NikolaiShade wrote...

@CaliGuy033

I'm sorry, but since we have no "proof" for IT nor any other explanation, at least for now, until BioWare speaks clearly, we can add all the circustantial evidence for one theory or the other, they're still all true and all false at the same time.

Here's where we differ.  You're speaking in terms of "true" or "false."  I'm not.  I cannot tell you that IT is "false."  I have no idea--I didn't write the game.

What I can tell you is that the arguments for IT are incredibly weak, and that the evidence supporting the theory is incredibly weak.  

Since it is not proven, the arguments and the evidences still exist, some consider it weak some consider it strong, we could not not agree on the possibilities of the IT being proven true but still I think it should be respected, even if the arguments are weak.

[CaliGuy033]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Oh yeah I am sure you looked through all 900+ pages judging every piece of evidence seperately before coming to this stunning conclusion.

Fact is at the moment we have more proof supporting the It theory than you have disproving it (you have zip), so bring something to the table or leave the thread please.

Yes, I've seen all the evidence, or at least the bulk of it.  It's all weak, based on confirmation bias and failure to recognize numerous viable alternative explanations for evey single premise. 

And your second point is just laughable, for so many reasons.  Prove to me that life is actually real and we're not all dreaming right now.  Go. 

[NS Wizdum]

Man, this thread is bringing back some serious nostalgia for me. I haven't seen this many gamers working together civilly since I was involved with the Halo glitching scene in high school. Bioware seems to have attracted quite the group of respectable individuals.

[llbountyhunter]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

NikolaiShade wrote...

@CaliGuy033

I'm sorry, but since we have no "proof" for IT nor any other explanation, at least for now, until BioWare speaks clearly, we can add all the circustantial evidence for one theory or the other, they're still all true and all false at the same time.

Here's where we differ.  You're speaking in terms of "true" or "false."  I'm not.  I cannot tell you that IT is "false."  I have no idea--I didn't write the game.

What I can tell you is that the arguments for IT are incredibly weak, and that the evidence supporting the theory is incredibly weak.  

Calling the claims "weak" is an oppinion. And you are one of the few you don't seem to grasp the implications, almost everyone else views this as near solid proof (maybe because they actually understand it) just because you can't see it doesn't mean its a poor theory.

[IronSabbath88]

NS Wizdum wrote...

Man, this thread is bringing back some serious nostalgia for me. I haven't seen this many gamers working together civilly since I was involved with the Halo glitching scene in high school. Bioware seems to have attracted quite the group of respectable individuals.

Well, this thread anyway... can't say the same for some of the other people.

[Rob_K1]

delldo wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I usually like Gamermd83

But her explanations to the holes were absolutely atrocious. She's all over the place and contradicts herself many times. She's also under the impression that BioWare would make it obvious if they were planning this to be a surprise... yeah, no.

What did you think of the other video linked?

I seen the first video long ago and thought that it had some credability, but the more I thought about it I figured something out, another idea for the rubble.  After Harby leaves and Shepard wakes up it is all in his head (IT) and he is still laying on the ground close to the beam.  What if Harby never left and once Shepard chose destroy Harby just blows the Beam all to hell.  This would explain the concrete and mixture of citidel debri (the beam is made from citidel tech right?) and Shepardsbody is covered with it, partially at least.  (Or) we know Shepard was knocked out far from the beem, what if the concrete that he is laying in is from that initial beam blast and the final destruction of the beam is scattered about?  Just something I have been thinking about.

The second video sucks, you really should have watched that before posting it.  The girl tries hard to explain things, but ends up making no sense at all  IMO. 

I guess I should have watched the other video. I'll remove it, I think, when I combine your view with Iron's view.

But glad to know you think the first video has possible credibility for disproving the theory, as I thought the same. I still think it's Earth and Shepard never left, but... you know, I don't go around saying I'm right and I'm perfectly aware of the fact I could be wrong.

Cheers for the explanation as well. I imagine the beam is based on Reaper tech. Citadel was built by the Reapers as well supposedly, so...

What's interesting about the beam to me, personally, is that when Shepard wakes up after taking the beam up to the Citadel, there is no beam near Shepard when he wakes up. Likewise, the beam he jumps down when choosing synthesis is awfully similar.

RE one of the songs being called 'indoctrinated', that doesn't seem to be the case according to the wikia anyway.