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[Pascal219]

epic!

Modifié par Pascal219, 28 mars 2012 - 08:11 .

[Sire Styx]

Lol, I'm reading some of this thread (some, not all 985 986 pages!)
And everyso often there is someone popping up to disprove this theory, but they have no proof.
Just prompted me to get this: http://memegenerator...stance/17321122

Anyway, there does seem to be a lot of evidence (good, bad and iffy) that supports the IT. I wouldn't mind seeing some good evidence against it though, just to balance it. I can't really think of much, as it seems pretty tight. The only evidence I can think against addresses the iffy points (like, Vegas saying can you hear a hum) and not some of the better supported parts.

Modifié par Sire Styx, 28 mars 2012 - 08:12 .

[N7xELITE]

byne wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

I think reapers look like hanar????

Adding question marks to a statement does not make it a question.

I meant to say does anybody think the reapers look like the hanar??? 

Modifié par N7xELITE, 28 mars 2012 - 08:13 .

[Rob_K1]

Cucobr wrote...

Schlafmuetzer wrote...

Just wanna know, something new happening here?

no.
Just some people creating plot hole in IT.
And to defend, they say: artistic Choice and poor write to everything
so no... no news.
except a new rumor: http://www.reddit.co...d_edition_has/ 

No rumor. It was debunked. The OP said a bit down that it's not official and he/she created it, changing some track names. I posted a direct link quite a few pages back.

Link

Quote:

'OP here. Hope you guys enjoy my extended soundtrack. Note that this is
not an official release so song names like Indoctrinated were the names I
gave the songs.'

Modifié par Rob_K1, 28 mars 2012 - 08:16 .

[Denvian]

byne wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

I think reapers look like hanar????

Adding question marks to a statement does not make it a question.

but he tried really hard with 4 question marks????  That has to count for something.

Modifié par Denvian, 28 mars 2012 - 08:17 .

[MadRabbit999]

Dance Craze wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

More tweets!

https://twitter.com/...757684082458624

https://imgur.com/vw4Cy

So, yeah, Indoctrination is looking pretty likely.

The second one does not mean anything. They are just being coy.

Duurrrr... hurrr duuuurrr?

I think we know by their tweets that they're beating around the bush, Captain Obvious.

Relax broski... and I think you should be able to tell from the conversation that I am a private.

Sorry, maybe it is me being thick but how can the first one mean anything about the IT?

[Denvian]

N7xELITE wrote...

byne wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

I think reapers look like hanar????

Adding question marks to a statement does not make it a question.

I meant to say does anybody think the reapers look like the hanar??? 

Well they sort of look like a shrimp... The hanar kind of look more like a Jelly... so sort of.

[JustAidan]

Sire Styx wrote...

Lol, I'm reading some of this thread (some, not all 985 986 pages!)
And everyso often there is someone popping up to disprove this theory, but they have no proof.
Just prompted me to get this: http://memegenerator...stance/17321122

Anyway, there does seem to be a lot of evidence (good, bad and iffy) that supports the IT. I wouldn't mind seeing some good evidence against it though, just to balance it. I can't really think of much, as it seems pretty tight. The only evidence I can think against addresses the iffy points (like, Vegas saying can you hear a hum) and not some of the better supported parts.

Some of the evidence is weak or can be summed up by gameplay mechanics (unlimited ammo and similar).
Most the hard evidence is pretty secure (Shepard can survive Destroy surrounded by concret, likely London, Shepard's eyes become indoctrinacted in Control and Synthesis etc). Taken with the good evidence all the little things in the game add up to support the IT.

Most who pop on just to 'disprove' the theory don't back up their claims or just attack the weakest bits.

From now on I am just going to say:

"The Council didn't believe Shepard about the Reapers. Why won't you believe us about your Indoctrination?"

[Denvian]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

More tweets!

https://twitter.com/...757684082458624

https://imgur.com/vw4Cy

So, yeah, Indoctrination is looking pretty likely.

The second one does not mean anything. They are just being coy.

Duurrrr... hurrr duuuurrr?

I think we know by their tweets that they're beating around the bush, Captain Obvious.

Relax broski... and I think you should be able to tell from the conversation that I am a private.

Sorry, maybe it is me being thick but how can the first one mean anything about the IT?

It adds to the evidence that, like the cylons, they have a plan and have had one all along.

Modifié par Denvian, 28 mars 2012 - 08:20 .

[Pezza360]

I think that Bioware is keeping far too hush if their announce in April is just additional multiplayer maps and characters or a new squadmate or gunpack.

Modifié par Pezza360, 28 mars 2012 - 08:21 .

[Denvian]

Pezza360 wrote...

I think that Bioware is keeping far too hush if their announce in April is just additional multiplayer maps and characters or a new squadmate or gunpack.

totally agree...

[JustAidan]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

More tweets!

https://twitter.com/...757684082458624

https://imgur.com/vw4Cy

So, yeah, Indoctrination is looking pretty likely.

The second one does not mean anything. They are just being coy.

Duurrrr... hurrr duuuurrr?

I think we know by their tweets that they're beating around the bush, Captain Obvious.

Relax broski... and I think you should be able to tell from the conversation that I am a private.

Sorry, maybe it is me being thick but how can the first one mean anything about the IT?

Just pointing out that they are still teasing the people who think the Indoc theory is true and are continuly hinting at it. That should be a pretty big clue since they (either bioware or their PR) have been hinting at it for ages.
i.e. taken together "Not changing the dream-like ending but releasing additional content",

So many hinting tweets from the last few weeks. Wish I had a screen grab of them all together.

Modifié par JustAidan, 28 mars 2012 - 08:25 .

[MadRabbit999]

Denvian wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

More tweets!

https://twitter.com/...757684082458624

https://imgur.com/vw4Cy

So, yeah, Indoctrination is looking pretty likely.

The second one does not mean anything. They are just being coy.

Duurrrr... hurrr duuuurrr?

I think we know by their tweets that they're beating around the bush, Captain Obvious.

Relax broski... and I think you should be able to tell from the conversation that I am a private.

Sorry, maybe it is me being thick but how can the first one mean anything about the IT?

It adds to the evidence that, like the cylons, they have a plan and have had one all along.

I do not get it.. I said it a million times before too "BW is NOT changing the endings but adding to them", it was always written like that, if people misunderstood, then they learn to read.

Still  do not see how this proofs IT.... it coul still mean they want to fill in the plotholes, like the deleted scene about Liara and garrus, that would explain your comanions "magically teleported", which they didn't cos they died.

[Sire Styx]

Denvian wrote...

Pezza360 wrote...

I think that Bioware is keeping far too hush if their announce in April is just additional multiplayer maps and characters or a new squadmate or gunpack.

totally agree...

I would expect considerable backlash from the fans if this was the case, because it doesn't seem important enough to keep secret.

[OMEGAlomaniac]

RorickHuon wrote...

OMEGAlomaniac wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Except he's hunched over in a way that suggests he's hurt on his RIGHT side.

I swear, you naysayers are something else sometimes.

As are you people who will stand by a FAN THEORY to the goddamn death. Look, i'm not saying it's absolute BS, some realy interesting observations have come out of it, but it is just as likely that the terrible ending is the result of bad writing. And I think it speaks volumes for how bad it realy is that people would rather say it was all a god damn dream than believe for even two seconds that it might be possible BioWare actually messed up.

Also, ......are you sure? huh. Well he damn sure grabs himself in pain in the area he was shot while he's standing up.

http://nextlol.com/i...e-you-troll.jpg 

-edit- To explain my position I am going to say, that until Bioware's announcment I would advise holding off the claims of "bad writing". The entire game has amazing writing, and is filled with such emotions never seen in a game before. So to say "bad writing" on the obscure final 10 minutes is an insult to Bioware's writing team.

Ah yes, and there it is. I disagree with you, hence I am trolling. Fantastic, GG, WP. This just sums up BSN completely.

[JustAidan]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Denvian wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

More tweets!

https://twitter.com/...757684082458624

https://imgur.com/vw4Cy

So, yeah, Indoctrination is looking pretty likely.

The second one does not mean anything. They are just being coy.

Duurrrr... hurrr duuuurrr?

I think we know by their tweets that they're beating around the bush, Captain Obvious.

Relax broski... and I think you should be able to tell from the conversation that I am a private.

Sorry, maybe it is me being thick but how can the first one mean anything about the IT?

It adds to the evidence that, like the cylons, they have a plan and have had one all along.

I do not get it.. I said it a million times before too "BW is NOT changing the endings but adding to them", it was always written like that, if people misunderstood, then they learn to read.

Still  do not see how this proofs IT.... it coul still mean they want to fill in the plotholes, like the deleted scene about Liara and garrus, that would explain your comanions "magically teleported", which they didn't cos they died.

Here's hoping Bioware was never a fan of 'Lost'.
Edit: Never said it was proof, just their atittude is hinting at it.
Still at least it wouldn't be Space Magic

Modifié par JustAidan, 28 mars 2012 - 08:38 .

[Arian Dynas]

bigstig wrote...

ChuckieJ wrote...

My new theory is below and I think I'm the first to present it. Or boy I hope I am.

Kroen135 wrote...

Yeah it was a huge slap in the face to me. Saw something earlier on this thread about "hidden files" and decided to look into it using my actual ME3 folder and using sources.

It's definately something fresh that can atleast be directed toward IT

So I tweeted @MassEffect because it is a genuine concern to me that people with minimal internet access be able to complete the game. With my theory you need to at least get online because of exactly what Kroen135 mentioned. The content needs to be unlocked. But how? Will it merely unlock on April 6th?

@masseffect I hope this content is easy for people in rural areas to get. Thanks for all your hard work here on the Twitters.

@chuckiej We hope to make any future content accessible to all players, thanks for your Tweets!

My theory:

Chris Priestly gave us the biggest clue of all.

We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. 

The number of people who have completed the game is the key. Much like Operation: Fortress, Bioware has the ability to capture information about the progress of online gamers playing the campaign (For Xbox, even if they don't have Xbox Live Gold they can still play connected to Live). The content is on the disc and will automatically (or semi-automatically) unlock once a certain number or percentage of players have completed the ending. A ping/short message will be sent to the game (or the game checks for one on launch) much like the one that popped up explaining Operation: Fortress. When the game receieves this message the content unlocks (or for the PC players, it downloads).

Now I definitely could be wrong about the "number or percentage of players" part but I think it would be pretty cool. The other option is to use the same method but unlock it immediately after the PAX panel (after which certainly enough people should have "experienced the game"). The point would be to avoid large downloads for players who might not be able to get them easily. As long as you can get online at all, you can get the content when everyone else does automatically.

Love the idea, my thought which I posted around 100pages I go I think(this thread moves fast)

At Pax a video montage of the final battle is shown, including Shepard breathing. At which point someone from behind crowd dressed as a character, Liara or the new guy(I can't remember his name at the moment) maybe even Edi (can't be any character who could be dead by this point) would yell. Wake Up it's time to take back Earth. Then screen that was showing ending flashes Priority: Take Back Earth.

Imagine the reaction that the annoucement would get, it would be huge

Sorry to report guys, this one is debunked, there is no additional content on the consolde discs, they are 15.00 GB and 16.50 GB, big enough to count for variance between the two systems, the PC has a total of 14.61 GB of information on both discs.

Besides, I can debunk this with a little common sense. If it's set to go off when a certain number of ppl beat the game, then how would they know precisely when to make the annoucement? Morever they would lost the chance to get all the pomp and ceremony associated with being able to pull this out of their hats, it's more, "Oh yeah, last mission is up, like, if you guys care, or anything" when they seem more to be shooting for "HEY LOOK GUISE! WE MADE THIS! BEHOLD OUR AWSOMENESS!" 

Besides, already proven, we can disc rip console just as easy as PC, there would be no hiding it on there.

[Sire Styx]

If they wanted to extend the endings and keep the scenes where the normandy flies off etc the same then they might just add some gameplay in between. Like, after choosing your option and waking up in rubble you go off and do some more missions or something to trigger the relays to explode (explaining why the relay near earth wasn't the first to explode).
Then the normandy decides to out run the explosion after picking you and your allies up. It may then crash on the planet, the scene plays out the same but at the end you get out the ship?

Then that means they aren't changing the ending, just adding to it. I don't think that this will be the way they go though, but it is one idea.

Modifié par Sire Styx, 28 mars 2012 - 08:31 .

[Sero303]

Marauder Shields, God-Child and Space Magic,...and yet some how the Normandy crew ends up in a church laughing about good times...

[Mastone]

I just realised something, which  made me realize that indoctrination is out of the question, I did watch several you tube video's supporting the theory, but since they are edited in a way to promote the IT I think it's more a case of very resilient wishful thinking, I mean you could make hitler seem like a jovial nice man in a video ( and as a guy raging about ME3 ending as well LOL).

Now to why I think IT is not plausible... unlimited ammo with the gun, from all the cases we have seen  of indoctrination thusfar it always showed a character who still had enough  reality, Saren knew what he was doing all along he only had the misguided idea that it was his idea or made him believe what the reapers were saying was a good thing.
There wasn't much up close contact  except for the dying reaper you killed after that rollercoaster ride or do they just call you up and say :"your indoctrinated"
It also isn't the matrix ( even how much the story writer wanted it) you can't imagine more bullits they just run out.
If I may hazard a guess of what it is, I think it is a dreamsequence of Shepard while he is dying , Harbinger left because he thought everyone was dead or dying.
That obnoxious starchild is more like a representation of what he fought for, the same real life kid in the beginning of the game when shepard leaves and he is apparently the only one that sees him, just don't be sure about that one, the soldiers were shooting at the minireaper and you have to look at people behavior in a crisis the majority doesn't help his fellow man but tramples him on the way to the exit.
I personally think that they should do this, they don't have to rewrite the entire ending to make th ekid fit in, just negate it to a dream/illusion:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9992961/407#10560783

[nukular power]

If you look at all the evidence for this, you can't really deny that it looks like the truth. As to whether it is a good idea to ask people to pay for DLC for the "One More Story" - well...

[Denvian]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Denvian wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

More tweets!

https://twitter.com/...757684082458624

https://imgur.com/vw4Cy

So, yeah, Indoctrination is looking pretty likely.

The second one does not mean anything. They are just being coy.

Duurrrr... hurrr duuuurrr?

I think we know by their tweets that they're beating around the bush, Captain Obvious.

Relax broski... and I think you should be able to tell from the conversation that I am a private.

Sorry, maybe it is me being thick but how can the first one mean anything about the IT?

It adds to the evidence that, like the cylons, they have a plan and have had one all along.

I do not get it.. I said it a million times before too "BW is NOT changing the endings but adding to them", it was always written like that, if people misunderstood, then they learn to read.

Still  do not see how this proofs IT.... it coul still mean they want to fill in the plotholes, like the deleted scene about Liara and garrus, that would explain your comanions "magically teleported", which they didn't cos they died.

Well is does not prove IT... it only suggest they have a plan.  They have been very careful to not confirm or deny IT.

[Sire Styx]

Mastone wrote...

The thing about the dream sequence is that it's very similar to IT, so in other words, it isn't 'real'.
Making it turn out to be a dream is likely to incite more anger than making it an indoctrination, because there is evidence supporting indoctrination throughout the 3 games, but no evidence for dying dreams, if you know what I mean?

I suppose you could use that Shephard has already had several dreams involving this kid etc to support this, but you could also use it to support IT.

Edit:
To be honest, if anything, I think dreaming, IT and the idea that this may be a virtual reality (like when you went in the geth mainframe thing) are probably all at work somehow, just because of all the similarities present.

Modifié par Sire Styx, 28 mars 2012 - 08:43 .

[DreamTension]

Jeezy Creezy, nobody is saying IDT has been PROVEN.

This whole thread (and the articles and videos) has gathered scenes, dialogs, and other information and put it all together to form a THEORY.

We can discuss this theory (pros/cons or for/against), but not one person has said this is PROVEN as FACT. Jeez.

[JustAidan]

Mastone wrote...

I just realised something, which  made me realize that indoctrination is out of the question, I did watch several you tube video's supporting the theory, but since they are edited in a way to promote the IT I think it's more a case of very resilient wishful thinking, I mean you could make hitler seem like a jovial nice man in a video ( and as a guy raging about ME3 ending as well LOL).

Now to why I think IT is not plausible... unlimited ammo with the gun, from all the cases we have seen  of indoctrination thusfar it always showed a character who still had enough  reality, Saren knew what he was doing all along he only had the misguided idea that it was his idea or made him believe what the reapers were saying was a good thing.
There wasn't much up close contact  except for the dying reaper you killed after that rollercoaster ride or do they just call you up and say :"your indoctrinated"
It also isn't the matrix ( even how much the story writer wanted it) you can't imagine more bullits they just run out.
If I may hazard a guess of what it is, I think it is a dreamsequence of Shepard while he is dying , Harbinger left because he thought everyone was dead or dying.
That obnoxious starchild is more like a representation of what he fought for, the same real life kid in the beginning of the game when shepard leaves and he is apparently the only one that sees him, just don't be sure about that one, the soldiers were shooting at the minireaper and you have to look at people behavior in a crisis the majority doesn't help his fellow man but tramples him on the way to the exit.
I personally think that they should do this, they don't have to rewrite the entire ending to make th ekid fit in, just negate it to a dream/illusion:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9992961/407#10560783

"Indoctrinated presence detected!"

Shepard hasn't had close contact with Reaper technology? Have we been playing the same game?

Modifié par JustAidan, 28 mars 2012 - 08:43 .