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[Arian Dynas]

[quote]NotAnotherDisplayName wrote...

[quote]variobunz wrote...

[Why not discuss that? It is not directly about the ending. One could read that together with the statement that the best possible outcome does not require MP as: the current endings are not final, we planned a way to the ending (that is yet to happen) that does not require you to have the currently needed 4k/5k EMS for the perfect outcome.
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That response is indeed a bit weird

Why wait until april to give info about EMS?
Unless...

HOLD THE LINE!!!

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Remember after the game ends your game reloads just before the final push, before you go into the TIM's base.  If they give you DLC to 'build the legend of Shepard', you could find sidequests that build up your EMS.  If you got to that point of the game and didn't break the whatever thousand barrier, the DLC give you the chance to recover some of this without having to replay the whole game (or 3 games).

DLC/Title Update announcements are tricky business- give away too much too early and you can negatively impact sales/downloads...give away too little to late and you can do the same.

Edit: BTW, I can't keep up with the pace this thread is growing at, if I've missed jabs aimed at me earlier, apologies for not responding.  I'm not ignoring, just don't have time to read it all [/quote]

A thought occurs to me, someone look at the script triggers, but what if the "real" endings only pop up above the 8000 mark? What if they made the ending impossible to achive in the base game, but it's achiveable with DLC? I personally think this is probably bull****, but it was a thought that popped into my head. Someone check all the ending script triggers and disprove this for me please.

[Dance Craze]

Sire Styx wrote...

Mastone wrote...

The thing about the dream sequence is that it's very similar to IT, so in other words, it isn't 'real'.
Making it turn out to be a dream is likely to incite more anger than making in an indoctrination, because there is evidence supporting indoctrination throughout the 3 games, but no evidence for dying dreams, if you know what I mean?

I suppose you could use that Shephard has already had several dreams involving this kid etc to support this, but you could also use it to support IT.

A proposition of dream theory

[njfluffy19]

Mastone wrote...
blah blah blah

You're basing your conclusion solely off the unlimited ammunition? Oh. My. Goodness. How many times have the people on this thread said that unlimited ammunition was a weak point at best. Try reading the rest of the facts/theories on the first page. Byne (or whoever else) has listed them nicely. Kthx.

[MadRabbit999]

Denvian wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Denvian wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

JustAidan wrote...

More tweets!

https://twitter.com/...757684082458624

https://imgur.com/vw4Cy

So, yeah, Indoctrination is looking pretty likely.

The second one does not mean anything. They are just being coy.

Duurrrr... hurrr duuuurrr?

I think we know by their tweets that they're beating around the bush, Captain Obvious.

Relax broski... and I think you should be able to tell from the conversation that I am a private.

Sorry, maybe it is me being thick but how can the first one mean anything about the IT?

It adds to the evidence that, like the cylons, they have a plan and have had one all along.

I do not get it.. I said it a million times before too "BW is NOT changing the endings but adding to them", it was always written like that, if people misunderstood, then they learn to read.

Still  do not see how this proofs IT.... it coul still mean they want to fill in the plotholes, like the deleted scene about Liara and garrus, that would explain your comanions "magically teleported", which they didn't cos they died.

Well is does not prove IT... it only suggest they have a plan.  They have been very careful to not confirm or deny IT.

Work with me here.. if BW had really screwed up, would they:

Go and admit it the screwed up

Or say it was planned al along?

No matter if it is true or not, you know what the answer will always have been... 

[Denvian]

DreamTension wrote...

Jeezy Creezy, nobody is saying IDT has been PROVEN.

This whole thread (and the articles and videos) has gathered scenes, dialogs, and other information and put it all together to form a THEORY.

We can discuss this theory (pros/cons or for/against), but not one person has said this is PROVEN as FACT. Jeez.

Oh i have proof... I have it in this envolope I have in my hand.... but I am not going to show you becuase I don't wanna.

Modifié par Denvian, 28 mars 2012 - 08:46 .

[spz123]

I can't believe there are people who would rather it be a dream, a sign of real bad writing, rather than indoctrination which would actually fit into the lore of the game.

[Denvian]

MadRabbit999 wrote...


Work with me here.. if BW had really screwed up, would they:

Go and admit it the screwed up

Or say it was planned al along?

No matter if it is true or not, you know what the answer will always have been... 

They did with DA2

Edit: removed quote chain 

Modifié par Denvian, 28 mars 2012 - 08:49 .

[njfluffy19]

My eyes... they burn! They burn from the horrendously long chains of quotes! AGGGHHhhhhhHHHhhh!!!!!!

[DreamTension]

spz123 wrote...

I can't believe there are people who would rather it be a dream, a sign of real bad writing, rather than indoctrination which would actually fit into the lore of the game.

God I hope not.  I think it's more people getting this confused.  I was talking about this earlier (like ten pages ago) and I was trying to get people to realize that IDT is NOT a dream.  I guess I did a poor job because that was all they were focusing on.

The other problem is that people who like IDT call it a dream because it's quicker to say and it comes off naturally.  I think most (well.  SOME)  people are aware that the IDT is not a dream rather control over Shepard.

[Sire Styx]

At least the people suggesting it's a dream have better evidence than just 'lololol bioware is thed bad writing ending'

Almost ANYTHING has more evidence (and is a more valid theory) than just saying bioware are terrible writers.

[MadRabbit999]

Denvian wrote...

They did with DA2

Not trying to be cheeky here, but is ther an actual article from BW that says "We are sorry we fudged up" ?

[njfluffy19]

Sire Styx wrote...

At least the people suggesting it's a dream have better evidence than just 'lololol bioware is thed bad writing ending'

Almost ANYTHING has more evidence (and is a more valid theory) than just saying bioware are terrible writers.

You, sir, have missed the point.

[Sire Styx]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

At least the people suggesting it's a dream have better evidence than just 'lololol bioware is thed bad writing ending'

Almost ANYTHING has more evidence (and is a more valid theory) than just saying bioware are terrible writers.

You, sir, have missed the point.

Lol, I'm not sure what the point was, sorry.

[Denvian]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

Denvian wrote...

They did with DA2

Not trying to be cheeky here, but is ther an actual article from BW that says "We are sorry we fudged up" ?

Yeah they cited "missing the mark" with DA2 as the reason that they cancelled the DA2 expansion pack.  That is really as close to "We fudged up" as I think a complany get... Of course I can see where you would think the scale of the fudge up is different... More like "New Coke" fudge up.

I wish we could just say ****ed up like normal human beings.

Modifié par Denvian, 28 mars 2012 - 08:56 .

[NS Wizdum]

Sire Styx wrote...

At least the people suggesting it's a dream have better evidence than just 'lololol bioware is thed bad writing ending'

Almost ANYTHING has more evidence (and is a more valid theory) than just saying bioware are terrible writers.

Exactly. Thats mostly whats bothering me. My brain can't comprehend how the same writers that wrote the rest of the story could overlook the plot holes in the ending. It just doesn't make sense. I feel bad that so many people are saying that "the game is terrible". The Mass Effect series has some of the best writing I have ever seen in a video game. The game is amazing, but the ending makes no sense.

[njfluffy19]

Sire Styx wrote...

Lol, I'm not sure what the point was, sorry.

Oh, sorry. Just that Indoctrination Theory isn't a dream sequence, it's (like stated above) the Reapers attempt to control Shepard and/or claim him or her to do their bidding.

[Mastone]

Sire Styx wrote...

Mastone wrote...

The thing about the dream sequence is that it's very similar to IT, so in other words, it isn't 'real'.
Making it turn out to be a dream is likely to incite more anger than making in an indoctrination, because there is evidence supporting indoctrination throughout the 3 games, but no evidence for dying dreams, if you know what I mean?

I suppose you could use that Shephard has already had several dreams involving this kid etc to support this, but you could also use it to support IT.

Yes I get what you mean,....but Indoctrination is a form of mind control where the victim is always in reality he moves in reality and he understands what he is doing  he is just made to believe that it is a good idea and that the reapers are gods, I never saw any proof that Shepard thought  the reapers were gods or that it was a good idea to make husks hell we killed a couple of them, the only thing that really touched Shepard is the Prothean tech from the beacon to Javiks shard and they made him see stuff  in dreamlike fashion not unlike the endsequence which contains a lot of images of hope.
Reapers don't care if you as indoctrinated person have a pleasant illusion, their only messag would be obey ...and then die, if they had that empathy they couldn't have killed countless of cycles.

The other explanation could be deliberate bad writing which suggests some arty farty view what is real...to bad for them the matrix have done it before them and  a lot better.

Modifié par Mastone, 28 mars 2012 - 08:57 .

[Dendio1]

I wonder if this will make it to 1000 pages before april 6th

[byne]

Dendio1 wrote...

I wonder if this will make it to 1000 pages before april 6th

I'd be surprised if it doesnt hit 1000 pages by the end of the night, man.

[Denvian]

Dendio1 wrote...

I wonder if this will make it to 1000 pages before april 6th

Oh I am certain of this. we could get there by the end of the day.

Edit: Especially if 3 of us say the same thing at the same time any more lol.

Modifié par Denvian, 28 mars 2012 - 09:03 .

[Sire Styx]

Lol yeah, I know IT =/= dream Sorry if I made it seem like I did.



And I'm pretty sure indoctrination doesn't have to be making the subject worship reapers, it's mainly like subverting and twisting what the subject already thought. So, Shepard wants to destroy the reapers. But then shepard gets two options that 'solve' the problem. Choosing them doesn't mean he likes the reapers but it factors in to what the reapers wanted in the first place.

And Shepard has been in contact with loads of reaper stuff. I'm sure I even heard that indoctrinated people can actually become a source for indoctrinating others, and how many cerberus/reaper/indoctrinated geth forces has Shepard encountered?

[njfluffy19]

We should set up a kool-aid stand. Indoctrination Theory kool-aid.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Sire Styx wrote...

Lol yeah, I know IT =/= dream Sorry if I made it seem like I did.



And I'm pretty sure indoctrination doesn't have to be making the subject worship reapers, it's mainly like subverting and twisting what the subject already thought. So, Shepard wants to destroy the reapers. But then shepard gets two options that 'solve' the problem. Choosing them doesn't mean he likes the reapers but it factors in to what the reapers wanted in the first place.

Yeah Saren dident exactly worship Sovreign he simply saw siding with the Reapers as the only way.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 28 mars 2012 - 09:06 .

[Tr0n01d]

ok I'm starting the countdown !