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[Arian Dynas]

CaliGuy033, you're beginning to annoy me.

Fine, you want to disprove IT? Want to make us look all like fools and make us acknowledge you as the superior intellect for not being fooled by our straw grasping? Fine. Disprove every piece of evidence we have gathered. Take your time.

You going to say you can't prove a negative? That is entirely true. But the fact is, you CAN disprove the evidence we have gathered to support our theory, thereby making all the ground it stands on shaky.

Prove how smart you are for us. Go ahead. We'll wait.

[Chyliss]

You know what really bugs me? What bugs me so much that I came up with the VR theory as making the most sense in conjunction with Indoctrination? The fact that Shepard is DEAD! And has been since the beginning of ME2. Dead. Dead. Dead.

He is a hybrid organic/synthetic being with the Prothean cipher in his brain. Javik explains early on that memories are "stored" in organic tissue and the Protheans were able to figure out how to read that information. Is that what the Cipher actually is? Is that why Shep's cybernetically reconstituted body can remember everything that happened to him before he died? Or did Cerberus just bombard his subconscious brain with the description of memories so that if he woke up he would believe he was Shepard? However it happened, we the player don't even question that we are the original Shepard. Despite that fact that Shepard frickin DIED!!!

So unless Bioware is employing a form of spiritual magic as well as space magic, there is no possible way he came back from the dead. It's preposterous. So if it can't be true, then what is the alternative? What is he? Because he isn't the guy we played in ME1. Nuh-uh.

To me, that is where the player has been fooled all along. Reminds me of Revan in that respect. Shepard even foreshadows it himself on the Cerberus base when he hears Wilson telling TIM there's no way a brain dead that long could come back and he tells the squadmate "Maybe I'm just a high tech VI that thinks he's Commander Shepard."

So there you have it. I could be WAY off target with this. But as far as I'm concerned, you can't come back from the dead.

[byne]

Chyliss wrote...

You know what really bugs me? What bugs me so much that I came up with the VR theory as making the most sense in conjunction with Indoctrination? The fact that Shepard is DEAD! And has been since the beginning of ME2. Dead. Dead. Dead.

He is a hybrid organic/synthetic being with the Prothean cipher in his brain. Javik explains early on that memories are "stored" in organic tissue and the Protheans were able to figure out how to read that information. Is that what the Cipher actually is? Is that why Shep's cybernetically reconstituted body can remember everything that happened to him before he died? Or did Cerberus just bombard his subconscious brain with the description of memories so that if he woke up he would believe he was Shepard? However it happened, we the player don't even question that we are the original Shepard. Despite that fact that Shepard frickin DIED!!!

So unless Bioware is employing a form of spiritual magic as well as space magic, there is no possible way he came back from the dead. It's preposterous. So if it can't be true, then what is the alternative? What is he? Because he isn't the guy we played in ME1. Nuh-uh.

To me, that is where the player has been fooled all along. Reminds me of Revan in that respect. Shepard even foreshadows it himself on the Cerberus base when he hears Wilson telling TIM there's no way a brain dead that long could come back and he tells the squadmate "Maybe I'm just a high tech VI that thinks he's Commander Shepard."

So there you have it. I could be WAY off target with this. But as far as I'm concerned, you can't come back from the dead.

Liara said she knew it was really me the first time she touched me again. She can meld minds, I think she of all people could tell if I was actually a high-tech VI.

[Kiara]

April is not far off.. hopefully all will be explained soon, I hope.. I feel something big coming hmm

[Apollo-XL5]

llbountyhunter wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

An End Once and For All

isnt that the name of the last song?

I love that song, its the one of the few things that can get me through the endings, that, the flashes of joker, anderso and Liara and of course the Indoc theory.

[Lyria]

We so need an emoticon for "Spiritual Magic!"

I thought that reaper tech was used on Shepard.

[BleedingUranium]

Chyliss wrote...

You know what really bugs me? What bugs me so much that I came up with the VR theory as making the most sense in conjunction with Indoctrination? The fact that Shepard is DEAD! And has been since the beginning of ME2. Dead. Dead. Dead.

He is a hybrid organic/synthetic being with the Prothean cipher in his brain. Javik explains early on that memories are "stored" in organic tissue and the Protheans were able to figure out how to read that information. Is that what the Cipher actually is? Is that why Shep's cybernetically reconstituted body can remember everything that happened to him before he died? Or did Cerberus just bombard his subconscious brain with the description of memories so that if he woke up he would believe he was Shepard? However it happened, we the player don't even question that we are the original Shepard. Despite that fact that Shepard frickin DIED!!!

So unless Bioware is employing a form of spiritual magic as well as space magic, there is no possible way he came back from the dead. It's preposterous. So if it can't be true, then what is the alternative? What is he? Because he isn't the guy we played in ME1. Nuh-uh.

To me, that is where the player has been fooled all along. Reminds me of Revan in that respect. Shepard even foreshadows it himself on the Cerberus base when he hears Wilson telling TIM there's no way a brain dead that long could come back and he tells the squadmate "Maybe I'm just a high tech VI that thinks he's Commander Shepard."

So there you have it. I could be WAY off target with this. But as far as I'm concerned, you can't come back from the dead.

I get your point but I don't think we know enough about the condition of Shep's body after he was "killed". Death isn't as clear cut as it seems, I think. I mean, you can have your heart stop, and all bodily funtions stop, and be dead, but still be brought back. I believe this has something to do with after a certain point the damage can't be undone.

With the future medical tech in ME, some of it probably coming from medical knowledge of other races, and that Cerberus has a lot of money and people, I think what happened to Shepard is plausible in that setting.

But like I said, we don't know a lot, they could throw in a twist or they could not, but with the info we have it is reasonable.

[Ang2012]

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Modifié par Ang2012, 28 mars 2012 - 10:44 .

[llbountyhunter]

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

An End Once and For All

isnt that the name of the last song?

I love that song, its the one of the few things that can get me through the endings, that, the flashes of joker, anderso and Liara and of course the Indoc theory.

"leaving earth" comes in at a close second.

 

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 28 mars 2012 - 10:44 .

[BleedingUranium]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Apollo-XL5 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

An End Once and For All

isnt that the name of the last song?

I love that song, its the one of the few things that can get me through the endings, that, the flashes of joker, anderso and Liara and of course the Indoc theory.

"leaving earth" comes in at a close second.

ME2's "The End Run" is still my favourite, along with "The Normandy Reborn"

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Your all wrong , the true ending is the camera zooms out from a monitor into the bioware offices.Cupcakes arrive and they eat all of them , later they come back and get to work on a new ending.Which is every character sitting around eating cupcakes!

[masster blaster]

What happens if the ending takes you back to where Shepard is regaining contentions from the Prothean Beacon from Eden Prime. Won't that be funny if you have to to all replay the story lines again, but Shepard  knows what will happen in the end,, and try's to change it

Modifié par masster blaster, 28 mars 2012 - 10:49 .

[Sero303]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Your all wrong , the true ending is the camera zooms out from a monitor into the bioware offices.Cupcakes arrive and they eat all of them , later they come back and get to work on a new ending.Which is every character sitting around eating cupcakes!

Approved

[masster blaster]

Oh and man I can't wait for the continuation of ME3!

[Dance Craze]

So the Illusive Man was just hangin out on the citadel?

[Lyria]

I'm ok with a Cupcake Social as an ending at least it would be better than the Teddy Bear picnic that other SciFi franchise received.

[Sero303]

masster blaster wrote...

What happens if the ending takes you back to where Shepard is regaining contentions from the Prothean Beacon from Eden Prime. Won't that be funny if you have to to all the story lines again, but knows what will happen in the end,

I created a poll of possible 'new' endings, including this one,...needless to say everyone agreed that would suck

[n00bsauce2010]

Dance Craze wrote...

So the Illusive Man was just hangin out on the citadel?

Yeah it doesn't make sense though. How did he get there and not die when everyone else is apparently dead? How did no one see him come up? He just appears out of nowhere. If he was able to come up that easily, along with shep and anderson, then there should've been dozens of people on the citadel that were transported. Because harbinger just flew off. It makes zero sense.

[schneeland]

@masster blaster:

Well, I have the feeling that even if we are correct with IT (which seems very likely to me), they may still have a surprise or two for us.

In any case, I keep wondering at which point we will drop out of the IT attempt. And given that Shepard doesn't seem to lively, if your EMS is too low, it will be interesting to see, what happens in that case.

Regarding the song:
For me, there's nothing that beats "Spectre Introduction". Humanity stepping up as a respected nation in the galaxy - feels unforgettable.

Modifié par schneeland, 28 mars 2012 - 10:52 .

[masster blaster]

Sero303. I know but it would just ****** everyone off, that all of the ME games were gust Shepard dreaming.And at thee same time it will be calcareous/ very f****** stupid.

[Sero303]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

So the Illusive Man was just hangin out on the citadel?

Yeah it doesn't make sense though. How did he get there and not die when everyone else is apparently dead? How did no one see him come up? He just appears out of nowhere. If he was able to come up that easily, along with shep and anderson, then there should've been dozens of people on the citadel that were transported. Because harbinger just flew off. It makes zero sense.

If you ignore all the Indoc. Theory evidence and take what you are seeing at face value, then one could make the argument that because he was already indoctrinated he was 'allowed' up to the citadel to stop shepard and he may have been there all along waiting for you. ...
...IF you ignore the indoctrination theory evidence that is

[Dance Craze]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

So the Illusive Man was just hangin out on the citadel?

Yeah it doesn't make sense though. How did he get there and not die when everyone else is apparently dead? How did no one see him come up? He just appears out of nowhere. If he was able to come up that easily, along with shep and anderson, then there should've been dozens of people on the citadel that were transported. Because harbinger just flew off. It makes zero sense.

If you go the non indoctrination threory route, there is absolutly no reason for him to be there or for the reapers to allow him to come along for the ride.

[ShepardTheHopeful]

I have my own theory that isn't the indoctrination theory. I call it the synthesis theory or rather the logic theory (just a name don't freak out) I believe everything in Mass Effect has a logical reasoning that to me counters the Indoctrination theory. I'm not trying to troll merely give a different perspective if I'm wrong I will be wrong in April just as the same can be said for the IT i'm done trying to dismantle it because similar to my theory there are 3 or 4 points. I just can't disprove and if you can't fight Devil's Proof you just have to accept it's a possibility and hope Bioware doesn't pick it . I don't really agree with people who say the theory is a brilliant plan by Bioware I don't think they ever actually planned this. But hey opinions are opinionated. I'd be happy to logically answer any question theorists might have and have a logical, calm, discussion. But that's just me.

Or if you're going to troll me we can just call it the space magic theory.  ALL HAIL SPACE MAGIC!

Modifié par ShepardTheHopeful, 28 mars 2012 - 10:55 .

[masster blaster]

You know what. I wish Shepard or Commander Baily could be the Human Councilor, and will get things going faster with the war with the reapers. Plus Shepard would be know as " Councilor Shepard the first spectuer to lead a big f***** army to Earth"

Modifié par masster blaster, 28 mars 2012 - 10:58 .

[Dance Craze]

AND if it is indoctrination why would the reapers choose the likeliness of the illusive man for their cause? Obviously shepard would not trust him.