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[steve3194]

Sire Styx wrote...

If they wanted to extend the endings and keep the scenes where the normandy flies off etc the same then they might just add some gameplay in between. Like, after choosing your option and waking up in rubble you go off and do some more missions or something to trigger the relays to explode (explaining why the relay near earth wasn't the first to explode).
Then the normandy decides to out run the explosion after picking you and your allies up. It may then crash on the planet, the scene plays out the same but at the end you get out the ship?

Then that means they aren't changing the ending, just adding to it. I don't think that this will be the way they go though, but it is one idea.

Thats one option. But I find it hard to believe they would have this prepared so fast after the ending.
IT seems most likely and if it turns out to be true Bioware most likely had this content made prior to release no way it would have been finished so fast otherwise

[Mike Aus]

OK, give us your logic theory. I'm keen to hear it.

[Dance Craze]

I feel that indoctrination theory has just as many plotholes as the real story does.

[ZajoE38]

Guys, have you noticed that TIM's eyes are no longer "indoctrinated" when he is dying? What the hell does that mean?

[llbountyhunter]

Sero303 wrote...

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

So the Illusive Man was just hangin out on the citadel?

Yeah it doesn't make sense though. How did he get there and not die when everyone else is apparently dead? How did no one see him come up? He just appears out of nowhere. If he was able to come up that easily, along with shep and anderson, then there should've been dozens of people on the citadel that were transported. Because harbinger just flew off. It makes zero sense.

If you ignore all the Indoc. Theory evidence and take what you are seeing at face value, then one could make the argument that because he was already indoctrinated he was 'allowed' up to the citadel to stop shepard and he may have been there all along waiting for you. ...
...IF you ignore the indoctrination theory evidence that is

well i guess that means that if you reject the IDT that means that you are already indoctranated beyond hope in real life, and should just accept the fact that you are a weak willed human bieng.  

[Sero303]

Dance Craze wrote...

AND if it is indoctrination why would the reapers choose the likeliness of the illusive man for their cause? Obviously shepard would not trust him.

Because in Shepards mind, TIM has always stood up for humanity, no matter what, everything he does is for the good of the human race above all else. Whether or not Shepard agrees he knows this to be true. The Reapers wouldn't necessarily have control over what Shepards mind uses to support the indoctrination theory. It could have just as easily been the other way around. But Shepards friendship with Anderson made him the obvious choice to represent his free will/strength etc etc

[llbountyhunter]

Dance Craze wrote...

I feel that indoctrination theory has just as many plotholes as the real story does.

i feel that you dont really understand the indocternation theory. or dont know what a plot hole is.

[balance5050]

Dance Craze wrote...

I feel that indoctrination theory has just as many plotholes as the real story does.

No, less.

[llbountyhunter]

ZajoE38 wrote...

Guys, have you noticed that TIM's eyes are no longer "indoctrinated" when he is dying? What the hell does that mean?

that hes dying?

[Dance Craze]

You think indoctrination theory is bulletproof and flawless? Have you followed past conversations in this forum? There would be no discussion if it was

[MasterDracoStoc]

Dance Craze wrote...

You think indoctrination theory is bulletproof and flawless? Have you followed past conversations in this forum? There would be no discussion if it was

Again, it is just a theory. It is a well supported theory but no one is claiming it is fact. Attacking the people is pointless, as we are all simply looking for more supporting details. If you have a particular hole you would like to point out then feel free to post. Otherwise lurk until you find a hole in the THEORY, not the people, you can attack.

[benben84]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

So the Illusive Man was just hangin out on the citadel?

Yeah it doesn't make sense though. How did he get there and not die when everyone else is apparently dead? How did no one see him come up? He just appears out of nowhere. If he was able to come up that easily, along with shep and anderson, then there should've been dozens of people on the citadel that were transported. Because harbinger just flew off. It makes zero sense.

After defeating Kai Leng you hear that TIM went to the Citadel and then informed the Reapers of the Crucible plan.  So I took it as he was already on the Citadel when it was relocated.  There is no evidence to assume that all people aboard the Citadel are dead.  You only see human bodies in an unknown part of it and I assumed they were beamed up from Earth's surface.

[ZajoE38]

llbountyhunter wrote...

ZajoE38 wrote...

Guys, have you noticed that TIM's eyes are no longer "indoctrinated" when he is dying? What the hell does that mean?

that hes dying?

Yeah I know he probably never died, it's just illusion (I hope so)... But anyway.. his eyes seem to be normal again. I don't know whether is for sure, or it is just bloom from surrounding. There is much light as he is lying on the floor.

[Dance Craze]

I was just attacked for having an opinion against the almighty indoctrination theory. I see both sides of the issue and I dont think there is a problem taking the ending at "face value" since that is the only concrete evidence we really have.

[Dance Craze]

ZajoE38 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

ZajoE38 wrote...

Guys, have you noticed that TIM's eyes are no longer "indoctrinated" when he is dying? What the hell does that mean?

that hes dying?

Yeah I know he probably never died, it's just illusion (I hope so)... But anyway.. his eyes seem to be normal again. I don't know whether is for sure, or it is just bloom from surrounding. There is much light as he is lying on the floor.

He couldnt have really died because it was just in shepards mind (IT). Who knows what is really going on with the illusive man

Modifié par Dance Craze, 28 mars 2012 - 11:08 .

[masster blaster]

Why can't Shepard say to the Catalyst " I am Commander ******* Shepard. I killed more living things than your puny little Reapers did *****. I summed a galactic ******* army in half the time it takes you to kill a small little planet. So you may tell me what to do, but in the end Commander Shepard IS EVERYONE'S MASTER!"

Modifié par masster blaster, 28 mars 2012 - 11:10 .

[MasterDracoStoc]

Dance Craze wrote...

I was just attacked for having an opinion against the almighty indoctrination theory. I see both sides of the issue and I dont think there is a problem taking the ending at "face value" since that is the only concrete evidence we really have.

And those people should not have attacked your opinion. The problem is you are saying there are holes, but you are not pointing any of them out. Perhaps you can be the one who finds the evidence that debunks Indoc Theory, you just need to specify what problems you have.

[Dance Craze]

masster blaster wrote...

Why can't Shepard say to the Catalyst " I am Commander ******* Shepard. I killed more living things than your puny little Reapers did *****. I summed an galactic ******* army in half the time it takes you to kill a small little planet. So you may tell me what to do, but in the end Commander Shepard IS EVERYONE'S MASTER!"

And this is the worst place on the citadel!!!!!!!

[llbountyhunter]

Dance Craze wrote...

I was just attacked for having an opinion against the almighty indoctrination theory. I see both sides of the issue and I dont think there is a problem taking the ending at "face value" since that is the only concrete evidence we really have.

you seem to be the kind of person that gets easily offended. we werent "attacking" you.

just state your points, dont just say - "creates more plotholes than it solves"  why?

[Dance Craze]

MasterDracoStoc wrote...

Dance Craze wrote...

I was just attacked for having an opinion against the almighty indoctrination theory. I see both sides of the issue and I dont think there is a problem taking the ending at "face value" since that is the only concrete evidence we really have.

And those people should not have attacked your opinion. The problem is you are saying there are holes, but you are not pointing any of them out. Perhaps you can be the one who finds the evidence that debunks Indoc Theory, you just need to specify what problems you have.

Well I have already questioned its main pillars in the previous pages. But I do not blame any of you for not wanting to go back and read it beacuse theres 10000 posts in this thread

[n00bsauce2010]

masster blaster wrote...

Why can't Shepard say to the Catalyst " I am Commander ******* Shepard. I killed more living things than your puny little Reapers did *****. I summed an galactic ******* army in half the time it takes you to kill a small little planet. So you may tell me what to do, but in the end Commander Shepard IS EVERYONE'S MASTER!"

I was wondering during the ending where the option to simply watch the reapers and fleets battle it out. Also where was the option to tell this dumb kid to f*ck off. I didn't spend 3 games to be swindled into 3 ridiculous color swaps. Bullsh*t.

[benben84]

masster blaster wrote...

Why can't Shepard say to the Catalyst " I am Commander ******* Shepard. I killed more living things than your puny little Reapers did *****. I summed a galactic ******* army in half the time it takes you to kill a small little planet. So you may tell me what to do, but in the end Commander Shepard IS EVERYONE'S MASTER!"

Next from ERB...

Commander Shepard vs Starchild

[Kiara]

Dance Craze wrote...

You think indoctrination theory is bulletproof and flawless? Have you followed past conversations in this forum? There would be no discussion if it was

At the moment nothing is flawless, ID theory has its weak points, there is a big chance it could be wrong, but there is a chance it could be right. Many of us are hoping it is right, since that would explain the questions the ending brings up and it would bring a actual end to the series. This is our faith that Bioware didn't intentionally put all those plot holes in there by accident. The story up to that point was Awesome why would they suddenly loose their heads at the end and go against all they had worked on so far. 

i am not saying the ID theory is perfect... but it is a possible answer, right now I think any clarification for the current ending would work. ID is just appealing is all xD

[MasterDracoStoc]

Then create a thread where you bring up these topics again. Remember that while you are on this thread you are AGAINST the Status Quo, and the burden of proof is on you. In your own thread you would be WITH the status quo making the burden of proof on Indoc theorists.

[shepLJ]

After defeating Kai Leng you hear that TIM went to the Citadel and then informed the Reapers of the Crucible plan. So I took it as he was already on the Citadel when it was relocated. There is no evidence to assume that all people aboard the Citadel are dead. You only see human bodies in an unknown part of it and I assumed they were beamed up from Earth's surface.

Did you assume or were you lead there - there is specific dialogue between Shep and Anderson that suggests that happened.