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[Gilgamesh117]

byne wrote...

Gilgamesh117 wrote...

Anyone notice the wobble/bubble effects on the screen when conversing with the dying reaper on Rannoch? I thought it was just the game my first play through, but I happened again on my second PT. This may be the reaper talking but this never happened before in the previous games.

I figured it was just that its voice was so loud it was causing the area to vibrate.

Though if that were the case you'd think Shep would have reacted in some way to it, instead of just holding a regular conversation with it

Isnt it the first time we come that close to live reaper, I don't believe in any other game we are so close to one. They all speak to us thru different means.

[Unschuld]

leonia42 wrote...

One thing that bothers me.. if the whole Citadel sequence is a hallucination, why didn't Shepard conjure up images of Saren at that point? The dialogue with TIM is certainly similar but many of have pointed out that the Synthesis option was what Saren represented. I would have loved to hear what HE had to say at that point, though maybe it would have been an obvious red flag to bring in a character that we know is dead.

This is your reason right there.

[lex0r11]

byne wrote...

Gilgamesh117 wrote...

Anyone notice the wobble/bubble effects on the screen when conversing with the dying reaper on Rannoch? I thought it was just the game my first play through, but I happened again on my second PT. This may be the reaper talking but this never happened before in the previous games.

I figured it was just that its voice was so loud it was causing the area to vibrate.

Though if that were the case you'd think Shep would have reacted in some way to it, instead of just holding a regular conversation with it

Shep is a cool gal/dude. Will talk and keep calm during a supernova in the SOL system.

But it is true, that almost every encounter with a reaper or them being at least closely tied to events is 'artistically' accompanied by some effect. May it be sound or something visual.

Modifié par lex0r11, 29 mars 2012 - 03:40 .

[Sero303]

leonia42 wrote...

One thing that bothers me.. if the whole Citadel sequence is a hallucination, why didn't Shepard conjure up images of Saren at that point? The dialogue with TIM is certainly similar but many of have pointed out that the Synthesis option was what Saren represented. I would have loved to hear what HE had to say at that point, though maybe it would have been an obvious red flag to bring in a character that we know is dead.

Probably because it would've been SO obvious that Shepards mind would've seen through it right away. Maybe, maybe not, but your right, Saren should've had a cameo

[Icinix]

leonia42 wrote...

One thing that bothers me.. if the whole Citadel sequence is a hallucination, why didn't Shepard conjure up images of Saren at that point? The dialogue with TIM is certainly similar but many of have pointed out that the Synthesis option was what Saren represented. I would have loved to hear what HE had to say at that point, though maybe it would have been an obvious red flag to bring in a character that we know is dead.

He did  Marauder Shields! 

Although the conversation almost from start to finish bears a lot in common wtih Saren - so in a sense. It was re-lieving the scene.

[byne]

Icinix wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

One thing that bothers me.. if the whole Citadel sequence is a hallucination, why didn't Shepard conjure up images of Saren at that point? The dialogue with TIM is certainly similar but many of have pointed out that the Synthesis option was what Saren represented. I would have loved to hear what HE had to say at that point, though maybe it would have been an obvious red flag to bring in a character that we know is dead.

He did  Marauder Shields! 

Although the conversation almost from start to finish bears a lot in common wtih Saren - so in a sense. It was re-lieving the scene.

I swear, when TIM says 'But you would undo everything I've accomplished' (which is basically exactly what Saren said in ME1) the music kinda changes and seems similar to Saren's theme.

I may just be getting music confused though.

[Leonia]

I wanted one flashback or dream to refer back to the events of ME1 as Shepard's mind tried to piece things together, a little bit of "And they thought I was crazy, look at what you've done" sort of exchange. And Saren would have looked good with a graphics upgrade..

The Cerberus track on the OST does rely heavily on Saren's theme and there's a few other tracks that do similar, for what it's worth (one that plays during the MP lobby is a really slow version of Saren's theme).

Modifié par leonia42, 29 mars 2012 - 03:46 .

[Gilgamesh117]

I'm pretty keen to parallels, which is why I probably didn't hate the ending as much as others, but I did rage when joker left me. Like super rage.

[byne]

Gilgamesh117 wrote...

I'm pretty keen to parallels, which is why I probably didn't hate the ending as much as others, but I did rage when joker left me. Like super rage.

Speaking of which, in the endings, when the explosion is chasing the Normandy, Joker looks behind him.

I refuse to believe the best pilot in the galaxy forgot his ship doesnt have windows in the back.

[Icinix]

byne wrote...

Icinix wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

One thing that bothers me.. if the whole Citadel sequence is a hallucination, why didn't Shepard conjure up images of Saren at that point? The dialogue with TIM is certainly similar but many of have pointed out that the Synthesis option was what Saren represented. I would have loved to hear what HE had to say at that point, though maybe it would have been an obvious red flag to bring in a character that we know is dead.

He did  Marauder Shields! 

Although the conversation almost from start to finish bears a lot in common wtih Saren - so in a sense. It was re-lieving the scene.

I swear, when TIM says 'But you would undo everything I've accomplished' (which is basically exactly what Saren said in ME1) the music kinda changes and seems similar to Saren's theme.

I may just be getting music confused though.

Yeah - although I just noticed I forgot to put "with tim" after "conversation" in my original post.

THere is even the hand gestures where Saren says something about "You don't understand" and tim says "But I can" at about the same point.

[Ghrelt]

I don't know if this has anything to do with IT, but I find it very strange that Cerberus tries to take over the Citadel halfway through the game. And we never get to find out why. Seems like a large enough plot hole that it would be pretty strange if it wasn't deliberate.

[Gilgamesh117]

byne wrote...

Gilgamesh117 wrote...

I'm pretty keen to parallels, which is why I probably didn't hate the ending as much as others, but I did rage when joker left me. Like super rage.

Speaking of which, in the endings, when the explosion is chasing the Normandy, Joker looks behind him.

I refuse to believe the best pilot in the galaxy forgot his ship doesnt have windows in the back.

I think there was a meme posted of that a while back.
The only plausible thing I can think of is he looked out the cockpit window to the upper left of him, maybe they reach that far back, but doubt ful. Or maybe he was lookin for help from edi or such. 

[Sero303]

Icinix wrote...

byne wrote...

Icinix wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

One thing that bothers me.. if the whole Citadel sequence is a hallucination, why didn't Shepard conjure up images of Saren at that point? The dialogue with TIM is certainly similar but many of have pointed out that the Synthesis option was what Saren represented. I would have loved to hear what HE had to say at that point, though maybe it would have been an obvious red flag to bring in a character that we know is dead.

He did  Marauder Shields! 

Although the conversation almost from start to finish bears a lot in common wtih Saren - so in a sense. It was re-lieving the scene.

I swear, when TIM says 'But you would undo everything I've accomplished' (which is basically exactly what Saren said in ME1) the music kinda changes and seems similar to Saren's theme.

I may just be getting music confused though.

Yeah - although I just noticed I forgot to put "with tim" after "conversation" in my original post.

THere is even the hand gestures where Saren says something about "You don't understand" and tim says "But I can" at about the same point.

The problem with the whole Saren / TIM comparision is that Saren knew he was a Krogan's nut hair away from being indoctrinated, he even said the change from ally to servant was subtle, whereasTIM fought the notion that he was under any form of control or influence by the Reapers until the very end. Of course Saren believed that he too would never be fully indoctrinated, the differences are there, subtle though

[Golferguy758]

byne wrote...

Gilgamesh117 wrote...

I'm pretty keen to parallels, which is why I probably didn't hate the ending as much as others, but I did rage when joker left me. Like super rage.

Speaking of which, in the endings, when the explosion is chasing the Normandy, Joker looks behind him.

I refuse to believe the best pilot in the galaxy forgot his ship doesnt have windows in the back.

This is actually the mental process of Joker at that point:
Joker: Hah! EDI still has her ass. Good thing! Hmm Did I forget someone back on Earth? Shelly? Shala? What's that commander's name again?

[Sokroc04]

Maybe all this is fuelled by a disbelief that anyone could have made this deliberately. Sadly, Dragonage 2s ending was just as awful. Maybe the devs just got lazy. The tinted cutscenes would suggest it, as would making the algorithm for deciding the ending visible to players, the spamming of brutes and banshees every time the game didn't seem hard enough, the loss of depth in crew conversations as seen in me2.

Maybe this is just more proof of the sickening hollywood attitute spawning such creations as Dark of the Moon.

"**** it, they'll buy it anyway."

The sad truth is, even if there is another ending, we're paying for it.

[Mr. Mistake]

byne wrote...

Gilgamesh117 wrote...

I'm pretty keen to parallels, which is why I probably didn't hate the ending as much as others, but I did rage when joker left me. Like super rage.

Speaking of which, in the endings, when the explosion is chasing the Normandy, Joker looks behind him.

I refuse to believe the best pilot in the galaxy forgot his ship doesnt have windows in the back.

I don't think he was looking back at the explosion, I think it was just instinctive.

[lex0r11]

Golferguy758 wrote...

byne wrote...

Gilgamesh117 wrote...

I'm pretty keen to parallels, which is why I probably didn't hate the ending as much as others, but I did rage when joker left me. Like super rage.

Speaking of which, in the endings, when the explosion is chasing the Normandy, Joker looks behind him.

I refuse to believe the best pilot in the galaxy forgot his ship doesnt have windows in the back.

This is actually the mental process of Joker at that point:
Joker: Hah! EDI still has her ass. Good thing! Hmm Did I forget someone back on Earth? Shelly? Shala? What's that commander's name again?

Digital rearview mirrorrs?

[Ghrelt]

Sokroc04 wrote...

Maybe all this is fuelled by a disbelief that anyone could have made this deliberately. Sadly, Dragonage 2s ending was just as awful. Maybe the devs just got lazy. The tinted cutscenes would suggest it, as would making the algorithm for deciding the ending visible to players, the spamming of brutes and banshees every time the game didn't seem hard enough, the loss of depth in crew conversations as seen in me2.

Maybe this is just more proof of the sickening hollywood attitute spawning such creations as Dark of the Moon.

"**** it, they'll buy it anyway."

The sad truth is, even if there is another ending, we're paying for it.

Although the ending to DA2 was just as unvaried, I thought at least it made sense in context of the game, and I could see what they were trying to do with the way the ending worked out.  It didn't give you any resolution, but at least you could imagine how it could continue. 

The ending to ME3 didn't even make sense internally.  It's like they took out the last couple of chapters of the third book in a trilogy and replaced them with the last two chapters from an entirely different series.

[Jaxitty]

I just stumbled across something to explain the ending being total horseshi*. Not precisely IT, but it could definately be worked in. Watch this: youtu.be/W41rA8Ajh_s

Makes you wonder if the last half of the game was you in the Geth VI...trippy to say the least.

[Icinix]

Sokroc04 wrote...

Maybe all this is fuelled by a disbelief that anyone could have made this deliberately. Sadly, Dragonage 2s ending was just as awful. Maybe the devs just got lazy. The tinted cutscenes would suggest it, as would making the algorithm for deciding the ending visible to players, the spamming of brutes and banshees every time the game didn't seem hard enough, the loss of depth in crew conversations as seen in me2.

Maybe this is just more proof of the sickening hollywood attitute spawning such creations as Dark of the Moon.

"**** it, they'll buy it anyway."

The sad truth is, even if there is another ending, we're paying for it.

Dragon Age 2s ending is ..well...it ended within most of the realm of lore and logic throughout and was alluded to throughout the game - it was just too much of a cliff hanger.

ME3 ending doesn't make any sense unless you look at it through indoctrinated eyes.

Or Space Odyssey meets captain comic eyes.

[Gilgamesh117]

How long do you guys think the extended ending DLC will be? An hour or two?

[Leonia]

Mr. Mistake wrote...

byne wrote...

Gilgamesh117 wrote...

I'm pretty keen to parallels, which is why I probably didn't hate the ending as much as others, but I did rage when joker left me. Like super rage.

Speaking of which, in the endings, when the explosion is chasing the Normandy, Joker looks behind him.

I refuse to believe the best pilot in the galaxy forgot his ship doesnt have windows in the back.

I don't think he was looking back at the explosion, I think it was just instinctive.

It does seem odd though, he didn't do it when blowing up the Collector base and it doesn't make much sense to do it in ME3 but then neither does it make sense that he knows the shockwave is coming.

[Icinix]

Sero303 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Yeah - although I just noticed I forgot to put "with tim" after "conversation" in my original post.

THere is even the hand gestures where Saren says something about "You don't understand" and tim says "But I can" at about the same point.

The problem with the whole Saren / TIM comparision is that Saren knew he was a Krogan's nut hair away from being indoctrinated, he even said the change from ally to servant was subtle, whereasTIM fought the notion that he was under any form of control or influence by the Reapers until the very end. Of course Saren believed that he too would never be fully indoctrinated, the differences are there, subtle though

Yeah - I think the difference between the two is Saren thought he was still free. Tim thought he was in control.

Although - I still believe that Tim is not indoctrinated - and as Tim was an indoctrinated part of Sheps brain - the real Tim is still out there and has a part to play yet.

[kglaser]

Holy freaking COW!!

I haven't read much of this thread yet, but do you people realize that the thread has reached nearly 1000 PAGES in ONE WEEK?!? Y'all put the Talimancers to shame!

Carry on, I have a lot of catching up to do now that I've actually finished the game...

[n00bsauce2010]

Can anyone confirm if there are alien bodies (non-human) inside of the citadel during the final sequence? someone said something about it like 30-40 pages ago. I forgot to mention it. If it's true, it would seem kinda weird that there are no bodies besides humans.