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[lex0r11]

Gilgamesh117 wrote...

How long do you guys think the extended ending DLC will be? An hour or two?

Two hours should be sufficient for a new endgame. Or the same length as the other story missions, if it's done right.

[Leonia]

Icinix wrote...

Yeah - I think the difference between the two is Saren thought he was still free. Tim thought he was in control.

Although - I still believe that Tim is not indoctrinated - and as Tim was an indoctrinated part of Sheps brain - the real Tim is still out there and has a part to play yet.

I'm not convinced he is Indoctrinated either but the Reapers want Shepard to think he is for some reason.. maybe to pit them against each other? Something isn't entirely clear yet. However, after finally getting around to reading the Evolution comics, it's hard to ignore the possibility of TIM being slowly Indoctrinated after all this time. It seems to easy to assume that he is fully under Reaper control and I am still suspect of Kai Leng being Indoctrinated as well (TIM values the indepdence of his agents, why would he allow that?). Still much to ponder.

[TheNomadicOne]

Gilgamesh117 wrote...

Anyone notice the wobble/bubble effects on the screen when conversing with the dying reaper on Rannoch? I thought it was just the game my first play through, but I happened again on my second PT. This may be the reaper talking but this never happened before in the previous games.

Been lurking forever, but this one is enough to make me want to step forward....

At numerous times through my first (and so far) only playthrough, and before I knew anything of IT, I noticed a bunch of moments in the game when the edges of the screen appeared to be muted in color, almost as if I was looking through a weird fisheye lens. I don't recall all of the times it happened, and at first I just ignored it. But it kept happening, and eventually I accepted that it was real and recurring.  I had no explanation for why, and at one point was worried enough about my TV that I switched over to another video source just to be sure it was OK. But then I got to the final mission and I was certain it HAD to be related to the effects around the edges taht you see there!

So as I've been following along in this dicussion, I've been wondering: Did anyone else see something like this when they were playing? Or was it some weird bug/effect that only manifested in my play-thru and/or on my TV? I'd need to play it again to be sure, but Im almost certain it happened on both Rannoch and Thessia, as well as during the encounter with the Rachni Queen.

And since I'm no longer lurking.... As for IT in general:

It seems undeniable at this point. Bioware is already famous for pulling off one of the greatest twists in gaming history. Now, at the end of a brilliantly written trilogy, what's more likely: That they pulled another epic twist, or, having just demonstrated in this very same trilogy their ability to outwrite the rest of their industry, that they totally blew it at the worst possible moment? To believe that the ending is just a big mistake, you have to simultaneously believe that people who clearly know how to do their jobs also clearly do NOT know how to do their jobs. That seems....well...rather unlikely, no? Good writers know how to write well, and those that can write complex stories don't suddenly and without warning transform into simplistic writers in the closing moments of their greatest works. That isn't how the universe we live in works. Speaking of which...

If a person who has just spent years demonstrating his ability to put together a complex narrative explicitly promises he will not deliver a simplistic "A,B,C ending" then several months later does precisely that, you can either a) assume he is crazy, assume he is a liar, or c) remember that his company is in part famous for delivering one of the most famous twists in gaming history and go back to consider what you might have missed. So props to all of you for taking up that task and producing this thread! 

[masster blaster]

Has anyone notice in ME2 when the collectors attack Horizon, that the collectors took mostly everyone from the colony except for either Ashley, or Kadien. Given the amount of time the Collectors had I think they could have done something to you LI, or former squad mate, that could make have a huge impact at the real end for ME3.

[Dendio1]

n00bsauce2010 wrote...

Can anyone confirm if there are alien bodies (non-human) inside of the citadel during the final sequence? someone said something about it like 30-40 pages ago. I forgot to mention it. If it's true, it would seem kinda weird that there are no bodies besides humans.

Only human, but there is dialogue before the mission to earth starts where hackett and anderson talk about the reapers using the beam to send human bodies up.

MY mystery is where the table that shep and anderson lean on comes from. The best seats in the house line. The room is bare and empty aside from the control console. There is no raised object in the middle of the room to lean up against...and then suddenly it exists.

[Leonia]

masster blaster wrote...

Has anyone notice in ME2 when the collectors attack Horizon, that the collectors took mostly everyone from the colony except for either Ashley, or Kadien. Given the amount of time the Collectors had I think they could have done something to you LI, or former squad mate, that could make have a huge impact at the real end for ME3.

But the VS can die before the end of the game so they can't be crucial to the plot.

[kglaser]

I didn't read the ginormous thread, so don't shoot me, but is this why James kept saying something about "do you hear that humming, or is it only me?" How that couldn't possibly not sound ominous, I've no idea.

[masster blaster]

Know affiance to the ones who picked Control, or Syntheses, but why would you control the Reapers? Do they dissever to live, and get away with the genocide of Species they have killed. Also I think EDI, and the Geth would want Sheppard to sacrifice them self in order to bring justice to the Reapers.

[lex0r11]

TheNomadicOne wrote...

Gilgamesh117 wrote...

Anyone notice the wobble/bubble effects on the screen when conversing with the dying reaper on Rannoch? I thought it was just the game my first play through, but I happened again on my second PT. This may be the reaper talking but this never happened before in the previous games.

Been lurking forever, but this one is enough to make me want to step forward....

At numerous times through my first (and so far) only playthrough, and before I knew anything of IT, I noticed a bunch of moments in the game when the edges of the screen appeared to be muted in color, almost as if I was looking through a weird fisheye lens. I don't recall all of the times it happened, and at first I just ignored it. But it kept happening, and eventually I accepted that it was real and recurring.  I had no explanation for why, and at one point was worried enough about my TV that I switched over to another video source just to be sure it was OK. But then I got to the final mission and I was certain it HAD to be related to the effects around the edges taht you see there!

So as I've been following along in this dicussion, I've been wondering: Did anyone else see something like this when they were playing? Or was it some weird bug/effect that only manifested in my play-thru and/or on my TV? I'd need to play it again to be sure, but Im almost certain it happened on both Rannoch and Thessia, as well as during the encounter with the Rachni Queen.

And since I'm no longer lurking.... As for IT in general:

It seems undeniable at this point. Bioware is already famous for pulling off one of the greatest twists in gaming history. Now, at the end of a brilliantly written trilogy, what's more likely: That they pulled another epic twist, or, having just demonstrated in this very same trilogy their ability to outwrite the rest of their industry, that they totally blew it at the worst possible moment? To believe that the ending is just a big mistake, you have to simultaneously believe that people who clearly know how to do their jobs also clearly do NOT know how to do their jobs. That seems....well...rather unlikely, no? Good writers know how to write well, and those that can write complex stories don't suddenly and without warning transform into simplistic writers in the closing moments of their greatest works. That isn't how the universe we live in works. Speaking of which...

If a person who has just spent years demonstrating his ability to put together a complex narrative explicitly promises he will not deliver a simplistic "A,B,C ending" then several months later does precisely that, you can either a) assume he is crazy, assume he is a liar, or c) remember that his company is in part famous for delivering one of the most famous twists in gaming history and go back to consider what you might have missed. So props to all of you for taking up that task and producing this thread! 

Welcome friend, and thank you for your contribution.
Hope you will stay for awhile in this thread.

[Gilgamesh117]

I wonder how many people are lurking right now, waitin for the 1000th page.

Right now I just completed my second play through and I can say it was more fun the 2nd time. Next I'm starting over ME1 for any clues of IT and such, also because it's such a great game.

[Madolin]

Gilgamesh117 wrote...

I wonder how many people are lurking right now, waitin for the 1000th page.

Right now I just completed my second play through and I can say it was more fun the 2nd time. Next I'm starting over ME1 for any clues of IT and such, also because it's such a great game.

hahah i am doing the same thing too, that and i just love the series

[Rob Psyence]

leonia42 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Yeah - I think the difference between the two is Saren thought he was still free. Tim thought he was in control.

Although - I still believe that Tim is not indoctrinated - and as Tim was an indoctrinated part of Sheps brain - the real Tim is still out there and has a part to play yet.

I'm not convinced he is Indoctrinated either but the Reapers want Shepard to think he is for some reason.. maybe to pit them against each other? Something isn't entirely clear yet. However, after finally getting around to reading the Evolution comics, it's hard to ignore the possibility of TIM being slowly Indoctrinated after all this time. It seems to easy to assume that he is fully under Reaper control and I am still suspect of Kai Leng being Indoctrinated as well (TIM values the indepdence of his agents, why would he allow that?). Still much to ponder.

I have to disagree, I think TIM is definitely indoctorinated. Even if in the end game it may be possible he represents a part of Shepard's mind. On Thessia you can get TIM to doubt himself and he starts to stumble over his own words. In addition to that I see Vendetta's comments to be a marker. Vendetta basically said they failed to complete the crucible because they were sabotaged by a splinter group from the inside that argued they could dominate the reapers and later they discovered the sepratists were indoctorinated. Not to mention his eyes are exactly the same as Saren's since ME2.

As for Kai Leng I dont think it matters if he's indoctorinated or not because he's a brutal sociopath that loves to kill lol

Modifié par Rob Psyence, 29 mars 2012 - 04:22 .

[DreamTension]

kglaser wrote...

I didn't read the ginormous thread, so don't shoot me, but is this why James kept saying something about "do you hear that humming, or is it only me?" How that couldn't possibly not sound ominous, I've no idea.

No worries.  Yes, to many, this is a sign.

Also, the first page (first post) has a full detailed explanation of the Indoctrination Theory.  I.t's worth a read if you are interested

[kglaser]

Right now I just completed my second play through and I can say it was more fun the 2nd time. Next I'm starting over ME1 for any clues of IT and such, also because it's such a great game.

That was my plan, as well.  I didn't have any immediate plans to play ME1 again soon, but seeing this ending, and all that happened, I think it puts a new angle on it, and now I'm curious.

[delldo]

Gilgamesh117 wrote...

I wonder how many people are lurking right now, waitin for the 1000th page.

Right now I just completed my second play through and I can say it was more fun the 2nd time. Next I'm starting over ME1 for any clues of IT and such, also because it's such a great game.

I am thinking the same thing; I may start another playthrough from ME1 all the way through while paying much more attention.

[kglaser]

DreamTension wrote...

Also, the first page (first post) has a full detailed explanation of the Indoctrination Theory.  I.t's worth a read if you are interested

Thanks, I appreciate that, and I'll check it out!

[Dendio1]

Everyone is bracing for that 1000 page I just know it

There is so much wrong with the final citadel level. Wish I could post pictures...how long do I need to be a member before Im allowed?

Modifié par Dendio1, 29 mars 2012 - 04:24 .

[delldo]

Dendio1 wrote...

Everyone is bracing for that 1000 page I just know it

[destroyer 654]

Woot! almost 1000th page, we have been holding the line for a while guys.

[Dendio1]

delldo wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Everyone is bracing for that 1000 page I just know it

yea it almost feel like new years counting down the seconds lol

[Fattness132]

Almost 1k...lets see if we can put it over the edge.

[Ms_Alison_Gunn]

delldo wrote...

Gilgamesh117 wrote...

I wonder how many people are lurking right now, waitin for the 1000th page.

Right now I just completed my second play through and I can say it was more fun the 2nd time. Next I'm starting over ME1 for any clues of IT and such, also because it's such a great game.

I am thinking the same thing; I may start another playthrough from ME1 all the way through while paying much more attention.

I've played through ME and ME2 so many times but now I'm seriously onsidering playing through them again just to see if there are any clues to IDT.

[crazyeye343]

wouldn't it be awesome if Bioware was just waiting for this to reach 1000 pages to say "hey, Your right!"

[Sero303]

Don't forget Marauder Shields

[destroyer 654]

crazyeye343 wrote...

wouldn't it be awesome if Bioware was just waiting for this to reach 1000 pages to say "hey, Your right!"

That would be awesome, Oh how i wish.