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[x-Killision-X]

Unless I'm completely wrong, there is a burning question that the community would like an answer to. Is Bioware going to address the fans that are not happy about the way the trilogy ended?

We not asking for specific. But can we have a simple "we are considering it", or best case scenario, "Yes but give us time".

[Walla Walla 06]

I doubt it. Bioware would look like idiots for writing an ending/endings and then backing out of it and making up another. It would just be worse overall IMO. I'm guessing they'll stick behind their ending, which they should.
Besides, not everyone hates it. Did I like it? Eh, it was OK, but I don't revile it. I'm more upset at the lack of actual good Renegade dialogue this time around. Seriously, ME3 will just join the ranks of the other 8 billion movies/TV shows/games/book series/whatever that has a controversial ending....

[JeanLuc761]

The game just came out in Europe today; it'll be a little while before Bioware delivers a response on the matter.

[TheMadBlimper]

There should have been completely different endings to begin with. They said the game would have "wildly different conclusions" at the end pending on what you did in the other games and they did not deliver.

[x-Killision-X]

Walla Walla 06 wrote...

I doubt it. Bioware would look like idiots for writing an ending/endings and then backing out of it and making up another. It would just be worse overall IMO. I'm guessing they'll stick behind their ending, which they should.
Besides, not everyone hates it. Did I like it? Eh, it was OK, but I don't revile it. I'm more upset at the lack of actual good Renegade dialogue this time around. Seriously, ME3 will just join the ranks of the other 8 billion movies/TV shows/games/book series/whatever that has a controversial ending....

I guess I should have been more clear. I don't want them to change The main ME cannon ending (If you finished it you know what i mean). just add new ways for you to finish it.  i.e. way less depressing endings like we had in Mass Effect 1&2.

[Golferguy758]

Give it time. The War Assets from Europe are growing in strength as more and more people finish it.

[fearan1]

Hey Fallout 3 did it no one complained we bought the DLC then played the heck out of it. They can FIX this mess easily and make more money doing it.

[MrRiadon]

We will probably get in answer in the form of a closed topic stating to "merge all ending threads into one" so that they are easier for BioWare to ignore.

[x-Killision-X]

fearan1 wrote...

Hey Fallout 3 did it no one complained we bought the DLC then played the heck out of it. They can FIX this mess easily and make more money doing it.

You sir just put my thoughts into perfect words ( I did buy Fallout 3 because of the DLC)

[Almostfaceman]

fearan1 wrote...

Hey Fallout 3 did it no one complained we bought the DLC then played the heck out of it. They can FIX this mess easily and make more money doing it.

Word.

[Painaid]

Let the Europeans finish the game first. I don't think BioWare expected this kind of outcry. Let alone this much of an uproar before the game is even on shelves in certain regions.

Sad part is, I would have thought any SANE person who had any emotional attachment to this franchise and its characters at all would have realized the cataclysmic disaster these endings would create from ME fans everywhere. I still don't understand how endings so terrible as these even made it to release.

Modifié par Painaid, 10 mars 2012 - 01:27 .

[BoneCrusher3434]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Give it time. The War Assets from Europe are growing in strength as more and more people finish it.

How do those from the UK or from anyone have any effect on what ending I get for myself? Also, I'm still waiting for someone to confirm if there is a different ending for NG+.

[DrDetective]

Painaid, Remember that there's a huge difference between writing and playing. To the writers, the ending was unexpected, interesting. They had an idea they thought was cool, and lacked the perspective to see that it didn't fit, as far as everyone else was concerned.

It's like how Stephenie Meyer probably doesn't actually realize that Twilight isn't any good.

[Richpur]

Golferguy758 wrote...
Give it time. The War Assets from Europe are growing in strength as more and more people finish it.

Thanks to a 15 minute vacation in Korea on monday I'd actually finished the game and seen the endings prior to the game being officially released in the UK and them taking my money. It was very tempting to retroactively vote with my wallet.

[Sashimi_taco]

TheMadBlimper wrote...

There should have been completely different endings to begin with. They said the game would have "wildly different conclusions" at the end pending on what you did in the other games and they did not deliver.

It did have wilding diffferent endings, until the actual end. i they had not blown up the relays or whatever else in every single ending the universe would be vastly different in each one.

Brought peace to the quarians/geth? doesn't matter. A large portion of the flotilla is near earth anyway. Those quarians are stranded near earth because the relays are gone. They are doomed to stay on their ships, forever, even though they just got their planet yet.  And even if they somehow got enough feul, it would take at least 20 years to get back to the quarian home world at CONSTANT FTL speed. In addition I can see that the food ships and most of the resources of the quarians are in the battle so the quarians left on Rannoch are still screwed from lack of technilogical resources. 

Cured the geophage and kept wrex alive? Wrex is a MAJOR reason why the krogans are able to move forward. His ideals about keeping peace and working for the future held them together long enough to prove they deserved a cure. Without him overpopulation and savagry will ruin the already dying world. Not only that, but how are they supposed to colonize? Wrex said he wanted a better planet for his children. Eve might be able to lead them, but wrex is the one that they followed. Even wrex said that the other krogans were reluctant to follow her, how will she command without his backing?

[x-Killision-X]

Richpur wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...
Give it time. The War Assets from Europe are growing in strength as more and more people finish it.

Thanks to a 15 minute vacation in Korea on monday I'd actually finished the game and seen the endings prior to the game being officially released in the UK and them taking my money. It was very tempting to retroactively vote with my wallet.

Here is were voting with your wallet is catch22. The game is absolutely amazing, with a few minor bugs that will be fixed for sure and not playing would mean missing out on the best TPS since well ever IMO, but the ending does kill it.

[Si-Shen]

Walla Walla 06 wrote...

I doubt it. Bioware would look like idiots for writing an ending/endings and then backing out of it and making up another. It would just be worse overall IMO. I'm guessing they'll stick behind their ending, which they should.
Besides, not everyone hates it. Did I like it? Eh, it was OK, but I don't revile it. I'm more upset at the lack of actual good Renegade dialogue this time around. Seriously, ME3 will just join the ranks of the other 8 billion movies/TV shows/games/book series/whatever that has a controversial ending....

Why not, Bethesda re-wrote the ending of Fallout 3 for DLC purposes, its possible, its whether they want to put the effort into it.

As for liking it or not, your right, some did like it, but some felt like we were robbed of choice, our actions did not matter, they did not give us a choice in the end.

[Akal Ashata Alis]

fearan1 wrote...

Hey Fallout 3 did it no one complained we bought the DLC then played the heck out of it. They can FIX this mess easily and make more money doing it.

Exactly was my point in a seperate post. You offer up an Altered ending - a 4th ending from the big conundrum at the end (The 'Our Fate, Our Future, Our Choice' ending) where by we see a different side, and if you choose a different one maybe you wake up in a med center or something after. Dunno.

But that leads into a stabilize/retake the universe kind of thing. And you'd only have to tweek things and add a little bit to make it work.

Or not. I dunno. The game's only been out less then a week, so it will be a bit before we'll hear anything.

But I'm not about to invest any money into DLC. Not till the endings get a bit of editing.

To set the record straight - the endings felt out of place with the game. They where not bad - just..... out of place. Much of the resolution is left in doubt, and there is no 'happy' or 'good' ending, not for Shepherd - and while that has some appeal, this is a sci-fi fantasy adventure - there needs to be a happy/good ending. At least one - my advice - keep the three original endings, and add a 4th one.

AAA

[Akal Ashata Alis]

Painaid wrote...
Sad part is, I would have thought any SANE person who had any emotional attachment to this franchise and its characters at all would have realized the cataclysmic disaster these endings would create from ME fans everywhere. I still don't understand how endings so terrible as these even made it to release.

Read the most recent Mass Effect Novel - it's so poorly written that the publisher and Bioware agreed to rewrite it.

Sometimes, what works on the page, doesn't work when you put it out there with the rest of the stuff. It's why editing is important - and why your writers for a game series -need- to play the previous games in a trilogy to get the feel for them -after- they've written the third one - then go back and edit it to fit.

My main problem is that nothing you do matters, in the end. Yes, some things change, some things don't, but like Fallout 3's initial ending (Which Bethsda took the time to fix) it felt super bleak and really just not a good thing to set into the hands of the player.

Most folks want two things: And ending that fits with all the effort you put in, and/or a happy ending. Honestly, if the game had ended with a memorial to Shepherd and Anderson - showing that things where moving forward, I'd be happy. If it ended on a tropical beach with Garrus and Shep living off the royalties for selling the story, I'd be happy too.

Sacrifice is part of the story. But it also has to fit the story and not feel forced.

[Richpur]

Akal Ashata Alis wrote...
...But that leads into a stabilize/retake the universe kind of thing. And you'd only have to tweek things and add a little bit to make it work. ..

That would tie in with this being the end of Shepard's story but not that of the Mass Effect universe. He's just saved the galaxy and in most endings given up his corporeal organic existance to do so. Even if he does survive, he's earned some downtime.

[Madcat 124]

fearan1 wrote...

Hey Fallout 3 did it no one complained we bought the DLC then played the heck out of it. They can FIX this mess easily and make more money doing it.

The ending of FO3 ithoug DLC didn't leave you screwing over the wasteland though. Your sacrafice actually mattered. in ME3 it was just. Shepard dies, the mass relays are gone and life as everyone knew it was destroyed.

[marshalleck]

I don't think they should completely rewrite the endings, but I wouldn't mind a fair amount more exposition. You're pretty much left with "WTF is going on in this galaxy now?"

Not really a strong end.

I mean, Mass Effect really won't feel like Mass Effect without the Citadel and mass relays, so the only way they can continue this IP--assuming they ever intended to beyond ME3--is to start going backwards in time. 

I guess maybe they just intend to sell t-shirts and lithographs and cheap plastic figurines for the forseeable future?

Modifié par marshalleck, 10 mars 2012 - 06:54 .

[NoUserNameHere]

I've been pondering....

What coding (or other) limitations would prevent DLC from adding additional permutations to the end sequence... be it cutscenes, actual level content, what have you?

I fail to see the point of any major DLC if it didn't add something to the final push. Mind you I fail to see the point of an epilogue that doesn't showcase the 'where are we now' aspects of your choices, so whatever.

[ssyyllaarr]

Bioware, For two days i've been sitting here trying to rationalize why the game ended the way it did, but i cant. It was the most upsetting and depressing ending ever. I could actually deal with the ending if there was a way to get a happy ending, one involving your LI, and closure for the rest of the characters. What we got was horrid. I have religiously played through the first two games dozens of times. All throughout mass effect 3 i was raving on how its the best game ive ever played period, and im an avid gamer. I was so excited to see my ending with my LI (jack, my fav character in the game by the way, good job on that one) and getting the closure to the best game trilogy ever. Instead i sat in silence after the ending thinking (........what just happened?...........) I understand that this is supposed to be the end of shepards story, but it does NOT have to end that way. 3 choices, all completely terrible. all the work i put in to customize my imported saves from the previous games gone to waste. My interest in the closure in the LI subplot, destroyed. I cant even import my other saves with different decisions knowing how this ends. Please give us a DLC for alternate endings. So we can have your ending and the ones alot of the fans want. It wont have a problem selling, ive read thousands upon thousands of complaints about the ending on the forums here and all over the internet. The beauty of this trilogy shows that your very capable of amazing things in games and capable of making smart decisions. So do the smart thing, give us a happy ending, please......

[Thomas Abram]

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