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[Zardoc]

Helios969 wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Even if it was possible, can you even imagine how horrible that child's life would be? How lonely to be the only member of its species in the galaxy? It wouldn't be neither human nor quarian and it would be impossible for him/her to blend with either society.

Don't put a child through that. Just adopt some war orphans.

That's kind of a racist line of thought.

...how?

There was a time not so long ago the same argument was made to interacial couples.  Unfortately there are still people in the world that believe people should stick to "their race." 

My view is that if we all have sex together and make babies, we'll achieve synthesis (without the green magic.)

Dude, do not compare it to interracial prejudice. Do not be that ignorant.

So a couple in love shouldn't have a child because you don't approve.  Um, yeah, I'm ignorant.

Now you're just making sh*t up.

[EsterCloat]

Helios969 wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

Dude, do not compare it to interracial prejudice. Do not be that ignorant.

So a couple in love shouldn't have a child because you don't approve.  Um, yeah, I'm ignorant.

Nobody is saying Shepard can't get with Tali. By claiming we say so is to prove your own stubborn need to validate your position by creating a nonexistent opposition.

We are saying it is physically impossible for a child to be conceived between two different species that evolved on opposite ends of the galaxy. A concept that I thought was readily obvious and easy to understand.

Modifié par EsterCloat, 26 mai 2012 - 06:52 .

[Carthago Nova]

Guys, just agree to disagree. This argument is becoming off topic and id rather not see this thread hit by the ban hammer
this shouldnt be made into a debate of race but that of simple biology.

Modifié par Carthago Nova, 26 mai 2012 - 06:53 .

[I am Sovereign]

Helios969 wrote...

Bantz wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

The genetic enhancements Cerberus provided during reconstruction allows Sheppard's super-sperm/ovum to interbreed with any of the races.

Me and Tali are having a baby, hell yeah!

now that's an interesting head cannon

Hey, a guy's got to hold onto his little fantasies after Bioware sucked the magic out of the game for me.

Hey, i'm with this guy. They wanted us to make our own speculations about how it ended, I choose to believe I settled down with Tali on Rannoch and had quarian-human babies.

[MisterJB]

Helios969 wrote...
So a couple in love shouldn't have a child because you don't approve.  Um, yeah, I'm ignorant.

A couple in love should first and foresmost think how its child's life will be before considering having one. We're not speaking of a barely noticeable difference in the color of the skin that can easily be accepted, we're talking about creating hybrids, a completely new species with completely new biology.
All sentients have the predisposition to side with what is familiar and while the galactic community exists, the different species still have their own planets and societies. And you want to create a being that belongs to neither and won't be able to walk in the street without having people point at him/her. 

[DRTJR]

Helios969 wrote...

I find it funny that all the apparent biology people have much pooh-pooh about interspecies breeding, but no problem with the fact that apparently most all sentient life across the galaxy are bipedals with opposing thumbs with fundamentally something like human torsos. If sentient life is in fact as prevalent as the ME universe, it would be as different as it is numerous.

Exept for the Rachni, Hanar, and Elcor. Also the Quarians don't, they have three opposable fingers, Also the Krogan don't have a semi human torso...I think. Also thumbs are important for tool building.

[Helios969]

Carthago Nova wrote...

Guys, just agree to disagree. This argument is becoming off topic and id rather not see this thread hit by the ban hammer
this shouldnt be made into a debate of race but that of simple biology.

Thank you.  I just wanted to have some fun and take a break from all the IT is it real or not, destroy/control/syntheis circular arguments.

Back to my original post:  Cerberus super sperm/ovum allows for interspecies breeding.  My head-canon.

[Carthago Nova]

If said tech happened to make a successful embryo between quarians and humans a reality it could help the quarian race immensely. The offspring could have a far stronger immune system than quarians but yet have enough Quarian DNA to make a serum to help all the Quarians. Ultimately it could make the 2 species stronger overall.

[Tom Lehrer]

Helios969 wrote...

I find it funny that all the apparent biology people have much pooh-pooh about interspecies breeding, but no problem with the fact that apparently most all sentient life across the galaxy are bipedals with opposing thumbs with fundamentally something like human torsos. If sentient life is in fact as prevalent as the ME universe, it would be as different as it is numerous.

Its not hard to imagine that most intelegent life would be biepedal and have hands when you consider most intelegent life would come from predatory-omnivorous nomadic or even tree climbing paths of evolution. This is the case for most ME races.

Biepedalisum while not as fast as four legs is much more efficient for endurence because movement requires less energy. Having hands is also a must because we all need something to manipulate tools with, even a species with potential would not get very far if they could not pick up a wrench. 

Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 26 mai 2012 - 07:08 .

[Helios969]

Carthago Nova wrote...

If said tech happened to make a successful embryo between quarians and humans a reality it could help the quarian race immensely. The offspring could have a far stronger immune system than quarians but yet have enough Quarian DNA to make a serum to help all the Quarians. Ultimately it could make the 2 species stronger overall.

I like how you think.  Plus, there could be other humans interested in pursuing Quarian babes/studs and vice versa.

Sheppard-tech could be adapted.  Geth could help (saved in my universe.)

Modifié par Helios969, 26 mai 2012 - 07:04 .

[Ariq]

LukeSkywhacker2 wrote...

Yeah... Well, I can get the basics of genetics (Mendel, grandpas, recessive/dominant etc.) but chirality is a bit too advanced for me. So it's like totally, totally different type of living beings in biological make-up terms and there's just no way conception could take place or a foetus survive, essentially? I guess it's space magic already that they look so similar to humans then.

Looking similar to humans just implies similar evolutionary paths. It doesn't comment on chirality one way or the other. L-Glucose, for instance, both looks and tastes the same as Dextrose. However, it cannot be ingested by the human body. D-Amino Acids would be the same, in theory they should work much the same as L-Amino Acids, and there is no reason a very similar (or identical) animal couldn't have evolved with them. But even if you copied the evolutionary path precisely such that mirror chirality races had 100% matching genome structure -  they would still be incompatible because of the chirality of those Amino Acids.

[Helios969]

Ariq wrote...

LukeSkywhacker2 wrote...

Yeah... Well, I can get the basics of genetics (Mendel, grandpas, recessive/dominant etc.) but chirality is a bit too advanced for me. So it's like totally, totally different type of living beings in biological make-up terms and there's just no way conception could take place or a foetus survive, essentially? I guess it's space magic already that they look so similar to humans then.

Looking similar to humans just implies similar evolutionary paths. It doesn't comment on chirality one way or the other. L-Glucose, for instance, both looks and tastes the same as Dextrose. However, it cannot be ingested by the human body. D-Amino Acids would be the same, in theory they should work much the same as L-Amino Acids, and there is no reason a very similar (or identical) animal couldn't have evolved with them. But even if you copied the evolutionary path precisely such that mirror chirality races had 100% matching genome structure -  they would still be incompatible because of the chirality of those Amino Acids.

Cerberus tech.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Carthago Nova wrote...

If said tech happened to make a successful embryo between quarians and humans a reality it could help the quarian race immensely. The offspring could have a far stronger immune system than quarians but yet have enough Quarian DNA to make a serum to help all the Quarians. Ultimately it could make the 2 species stronger overall.

However it would create a genetic hybrid. You still have the d and l dna chains with which to deal. I'm not a biochemist, nor a geneticist. I don't know how this would work or even if it could work. Tali and Shepard can't even eat the same food. Or drink the same stuff unless it's water.

Remember that stuff they had on the market a few years back that they were cooking potato chips in? What was it? Olestra or something like that. You couldn't digest it and it would go right through you? Yeah. Like that. Don't eat the nuts in the red bowls. They're for turians and quarians. They'll give you cramps.

[Carthago Nova]

That statement was based upon the OP's assumption of the possibility of tech that made breeding possible.

[Tom Lehrer]

Helios969 wrote...

Ariq wrote...

LukeSkywhacker2 wrote...

Yeah... Well, I can get the basics of genetics (Mendel, grandpas, recessive/dominant etc.) but chirality is a bit too advanced for me. So it's like totally, totally different type of living beings in biological make-up terms and there's just no way conception could take place or a foetus survive, essentially? I guess it's space magic already that they look so similar to humans then.

Looking similar to humans just implies similar evolutionary paths. It doesn't comment on chirality one way or the other. L-Glucose, for instance, both looks and tastes the same as Dextrose. However, it cannot be ingested by the human body. D-Amino Acids would be the same, in theory they should work much the same as L-Amino Acids, and there is no reason a very similar (or identical) animal couldn't have evolved with them. But even if you copied the evolutionary path precisely such that mirror chirality races had 100% matching genome structure -  they would still be incompatible because of the chirality of those Amino Acids.

Cerberus tech.

Any half-breed between a Human and Quarian would live a life of endless pain as his or her dextro and levo body would be fighting itself. The dextro parts would try to kill to levo parts and the other way around. Every system in the body would have to be a monstrous Human-Quarian mix and would need 24/7 management through so many implants this poor creature would have to be more synthetic then organic.

[Carthago Nova]

*bump

[DRTJR]

MisterJB wrote...

Helios969 wrote...
So a couple in love shouldn't have a child because you don't approve.  Um, yeah, I'm ignorant.

A couple in love should first and foresmost think how its child's life will be before considering having one. We're not speaking of a barely noticeable difference in the color of the skin that can easily be accepted, we're talking about creating hybrids, a completely new species with completely new biology.
All sentients have the predisposition to side with what is familiar and while the galactic community exists, the different species still have their own planets and societies. And you want to create a being that belongs to neither and won't be able to walk in the street without having people point at him/her. 

assuming for a second that it can even survive, it's the ofpsring of Commander Shepard and Tali'Zorah, war heroes and saviors of the universe. 

Now, this next is based on Protheans being both D and L DNA COMPADIPLE. 

The Mass Effect wiki wrote...

From the few specimens of Prothean genetic material that have been found, modern scientists have learned that Protheans have a unique "quad-strand" DNA structure 

 
Now Protheans had a Quad structure to their DNA as opposed to our Dual structure. It is possible that any breading between Human and Quarians might have to be ENGENEIRED to have such a structure, so that the DNA itself doesn't destroy itself. This proposle involves that...
A) Javik can eat Turian/Quarian food as well as Human/Asari/Elcore/ect. food. 
That the embrio can survive long enough for the intensive genetic rewrite.
C) Shepard has the Credits to fund a project that would in esence be harder than project Lazaus.
and
D) That the resaulting child can infact eat either let alone both D and L amino acid foods. 

please forgive any spelling errors, 

[Tom Lehrer]

DRTJR wrote...
From the few specimens of Prothean genetic material that have been found, modern scientists have learned that 
Now Protheans had a Quad structure to their DNA as opposed to our Dual structure. It is possible that any breading between Human and Quarians might have to be ENGENEIRED to have such a structure, so that the DNA itself doesn't destroy itself. This proposle involves that...

The problem here being that combining Levo and Dextro DNA in such a way would be like putting wheels that spin in opposite directions on the same bike. Best case the bike ends up going nowhere. Worst case the bike gets ripped in half.

[DRTJR]

I have Zero idea on how Javik's DNA works, I was just bringing forward an Idea that if the other factors lined up was possible, maybe? I wanted to interject that possibility to the equation.

[Helios969]

Of course, science of today compared to ME world like today verses seventeenth century science. I have faith science can find a way for me and Tali (or someone else and some other race.)

[hoodaticus]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Inter-species offspring is, by definition, impossible.

Try telling that to the mule (father: E. africanus; mother: E. ferus).

Modifié par hoodaticus, 26 mai 2012 - 09:29 .

[hoodaticus]

Helios969 wrote...

Of course, science of today compared to ME world like today verses seventeenth century science. I have faith science can find a way for me and Tali (or someone else and some other race.)

What's the worst that could happen?

[Helios969]

hoodaticus wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

Of course, science of today compared to ME world like today verses seventeenth century science. I have faith science can find a way for me and Tali (or someone else and some other race.)

What's the worst that could happen?



LOL.  Good counterpoint.  Still I'll risk it.

[Tom Lehrer]

hoodaticus wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Inter-species offspring is, by definition, impossible.

Try telling that to the mule (father: E. africanus; mother: E. ferus).

The mule is sterile and unable to reproduce itself. The horse and donkey are also very close geneticly still since they only split from each other relatively recently...I dont think we can say the same for Humans and Quarians.

Helios969 wrote...

Of course, science of today compared to ME world like today verses seventeenth century science. I have faith science can find a way for me and Tali (or someone else and some other race.)

 

There is already a way its called adoption. If you mean biological child it can't happen even in the ME verse sorry. You could get an egg donor and surrogate for Sheaprd and sperm donor for Tali if you have to have a child that is biologicaly yours but that would be cruel to the orphans. 

[Helios969]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

Of course, science of today compared to ME world like today verses seventeenth century science. I have faith science can find a way for me and Tali (or someone else and some other race.)

 

There is already a way its called adoption. If you mean biological child it can't happen even in the ME verse sorry. You could get an egg donor and surrogate for Sheaprd and sperm donor for Tali if you have to have a child that is biologicaly yours but that would be cruel to the orphans. 

It's about the biological imperitive to reproduce.  I can do both.  I'm all for adoption.  Actually didn't want to have any kids of my own and go that route instead.  But glad I did.  Have one of my own.