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[Goose1004]

Eterna5 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
 Not everyone thinks the ending was wrong.  Bioware didn't, that's why we have those endings. 

Almost everyone here does.

http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/ 

Oh yea, except for 899 people. 

err don't you mean 193?

Figure the 899 would be lumped in with the top since that part of the ending really bothers a lot of people /shrug

Either way his statement is still valid. the majority of people dislike the ending.

 Saying they are fine with the ending means they don't like it? 

"Endings are fine, we just want the Normandy stranded on Earth or somewhere near Shepard."

Because of the second part, they would be lumped with the group that wants some kind of new/altered ending.

[Fidget6]

 I'm sure BIoware knew their ending was going to be controversial, but ultimately it's their game and they choose how to end it. They don't owe anyone anything for their vision of their series being different than yours....

Modifié par Fidget6, 10 mars 2012 - 01:46 .

[Zanallen]

Eterna5 wrote...

 You're about to get your head chopped off. I'll pray for you! 

Possibly, but it is the truth.

[Ruari]

Well, I played the Old Republic for the first couple months. Trust me. Bioware/EA isn't going to apologize for a bad product. Honestly, I would have rathered the many bugs and design flaws of SWTOR over the writing flaws of ME3.

[Sashimi_taco]

Voods07 wrote...

I couldn't imagine Bioware having the guts to admit they did the ending wrong. No human wants to be proven wrong and Bioware is certainly no exception.

However, we can all know that when Mr. Hudson goes to sleep every night he'll feel like ****.

I don't want casey hudson or the rest of the Mass Effect team to feel like ****. The entire game was amazing up to the end. The end is what ruined the entire series and it has really hurt me. I think one of the biggest reasons fans are SO MAD is becsause the reast of the game and previous games were so amazingly good. The whole series really made you care about shepard and her/his friends.  I think they just thought that an ending like that would be best, but they were wrong.

I just hope they realize they were wrong and try to fix it, but I do not want them to have sleepless nights and what not. The only reason I would want that is if they resfused to admit that many people hate the endings and refuse to ever fix them. It isn't even that people never change the endings, because there are several video game companies who HAVE fixed their endings. 

I do no wish the bioware team to have bad things happen to them, but I do know that if they do not at least try to fix this situation that I will know that I do not  want to envest my time, money, and emotional attachment to bioware games anymore. 

[Eterna]

Zanallen wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

 You're about to get your head chopped off. I'll pray for you! 

Possibly, but it is the truth.

 It is, but emotions make fools of us all. 

[Nathos]

scyphozoa wrote...

No way, the ending isn't a technical error or a bug, it is a design choice that Bioware committed to months or even years ago. It is the wrong choice, IMO, but it is damn near impossible that Bioware is going to second guess or retcon their own design choices because of fan disappointment.

Bethesda did it, and the fans became pretty happy.

[movieguyabw]

KRAETZNER wrote...

Honesty is a virtue. Even hearing "We know your angry. We dont care. We have your money" would atleast not give us false hope.

I got to admit, I'd definitely respect them if they said that.


I wouldn't ever buy another game from them.  But I'd definitely respect them. 

[Voods07]

Eterna5 wrote...

Voods07 wrote...

I couldn't imagine Bioware having the guts to admit they did the ending wrong. No human wants to be proven wrong and Bioware is certainly no exception.

However, we can all know that when Mr. Hudson goes to sleep every night he'll feel like ****.

 Not everyone thinks the ending was wrong.  Bioware didn't, that's why we have those endings. 

http://i3.kym-cdn.co...52/950/323.jpg 

[x-Killision-X]

Well until the ending is FIXED, forget about me buying ANY DLC  you may think will enhance my "It doesn't matter what you did" ending. Once Bioware fixes the ending of the game to be in line with a Mass Effect 1 & 2 ending (an actual triumphant ending would be nice), hell I might even buy Armor skins to play with

[Biotic Sage]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Voods07 wrote...

I couldn't imagine Bioware having the guts to admit they did the ending wrong. No human wants to be proven wrong and Bioware is certainly no exception.

However, we can all know that when Mr. Hudson goes to sleep every night he'll feel like ****.

I just hope they realize they were wrong and try to fix it, but I do not want them to have sleepless nights and what not. The only reason I would want that is if they resfused to admit that many people hate the endings and refuse to ever fix them. It isn't even that people never change the endings, because there are several video game companies who HAVE fixed their endings. 

They aren't going to realize they are wrong because they aren't wrong.  You don't think they were putting thought into the ending since the very beginning of the trilogy?  Casey and crew have thought long and hard about the ending, much longer and harder than anyone here (I mean for god's sake the game just came out this week).  So you can disagree with the direction they took, but it's their creation and throughout 3 games they never compromised on their ideals for the story they wanted to tell.  The Mass Effect team are true auteurs.  The Sopranos guys stand by their ending and Casey will stand by his.  Both were great endings in my opinion.  Take your own wishes out of the equation and you might be able to see that the ME3 ending was tonally and thematically appropriate, a perfect exit note.

And just to note, I am going to buy all the DLC they release to support them.  I support great storytelling and the most well-executed video game of all time.  And I support their entire vision of Mass Effect.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 10 mars 2012 - 01:52 .

[JosephShrike]

I'd imagine they'll just let people rage on for the next few weeks/months, then once it dies down they'll start releasing DLC (that doesn't change/expand on the end). Kind of what happened with DA2 (which I actually liked as a game).

[Erikwrestledabearonce]

Even if they do reply I get the feeling a major ****storm is forming.

[John Locke N7]

Nathos wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

No way, the ending isn't a technical error or a bug, it is a design choice that Bioware committed to months or even years ago. It is the wrong choice, IMO, but it is damn near impossible that Bioware is going to second guess or retcon their own design choices because of fan disappointment.

Bethesda did it, and the fans became pretty happy.

broken steel is totaly on my mind....

did people go APE SH** over not being able to player after fallout 3? no. but bethesda was all like "This was a mistake" and they fixed it, added more content, and slappd a price tag on it.

did it get panned for there mistake? no. Fallout 3 Broken Steel IS the highest rated DLC EVER.

Modifié par John Locke N7, 10 mars 2012 - 01:52 .

[jkelley102888]

I just feel that after putting up 270 bucks for all 3 games with the nice collectors editions and all that, i just feel that some feedback and concern from bioware would be warranted. God forbid this was a government with bioware as the leaders and us as the people, because i think the guillotine would be making a comeback for this one

[Aleka]

Obliterati wrote...

It will be a while before we start getting real official response. And then it will follow the usual corporate blueprint

First will be dismissal - "vocal minority" etc, etc

Then will come clarification - "people just don't understand, we actually meant blah blah blah"

Next will be excuses - "It's regretable that mistakes were made, but due to time/budget contraints blah blah blah"

After that comes backstabbing - Developer A: "I wanted to do it like the fans wanted, but Developer B put the kibosh on it..."

Near the end of the sales cycle, we'll get response - "We're putting out a new Mass Efffect 3:Director's Cut with a BRAND NEW ENDING, all for the low price of $90!"...translation: here's some half-assed retconning and tacked-on cut scenes so you'll forgive us and buy the Mass Effect MMO that's coming out in a few years.

Finally, years later, we'll get the introspection - "wow, we really screwed that up, didn't we?"



So don't hold your breath. There's still a lot of money to be made.

^ This is so very true it is almost painful to read, haha.

[Sashimi_taco]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Voods07 wrote...

I couldn't imagine Bioware having the guts to admit they did the ending wrong. No human wants to be proven wrong and Bioware is certainly no exception.

However, we can all know that when Mr. Hudson goes to sleep every night he'll feel like ****.

I just hope they realize they were wrong and try to fix it, but I do not want them to have sleepless nights and what not. The only reason I would want that is if they resfused to admit that many people hate the endings and refuse to ever fix them. It isn't even that people never change the endings, because there are several video game companies who HAVE fixed their endings. 

They aren't going to realize they are wrong because they aren't wrong.  You don't think they were putting thought into the ending since the very beginning of the trilogy?  Casey and crew have thought long and hard about the ending, much longer and harder than anyone here (I mean for god's sake the game just came out this week).  So you can disagree with the direction they took, but it's their creation and throughout 3 games they never compromised on their ideals for the story they wanted to tell.  The Mass Effect team are true auteurs.  The Sopranos guys stand by their ending and Casey will stand by his.  Both were great endings in my opinion.  Take your own wishes out of the equation and you might be able to see that the ME3 ending was tonally and thematically appropriate, a perfect exit note.

And just to note, I am going to buy all the DLC they release to support them.  I support great storytelling and the most well-executed video game of all time.  And I support their entire vision of Mass Effect.

This is not the sapranos. This is a game that is all about the choices you made, the endings negate those choices. 

Additionally the writers from the origional games are mostly gone and have been replaced by other ones. It has not been the same people. 

[JesseLee202]

I will not play through that ending again, I will make up MY own if they can't do it right.

[jkelley102888]

Sad but i think you're right aleka

[Biotic Sage]

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

Sashimi_taco wrote...

Voods07 wrote...

I couldn't imagine Bioware having the guts to admit they did the ending wrong. No human wants to be proven wrong and Bioware is certainly no exception.

However, we can all know that when Mr. Hudson goes to sleep every night he'll feel like ****.

I just hope they realize they were wrong and try to fix it, but I do not want them to have sleepless nights and what not. The only reason I would want that is if they resfused to admit that many people hate the endings and refuse to ever fix them. It isn't even that people never change the endings, because there are several video game companies who HAVE fixed their endings. 

They aren't going to realize they are wrong because they aren't wrong.  You don't think they were putting thought into the ending since the very beginning of the trilogy?  Casey and crew have thought long and hard about the ending, much longer and harder than anyone here (I mean for god's sake the game just came out this week).  So you can disagree with the direction they took, but it's their creation and throughout 3 games they never compromised on their ideals for the story they wanted to tell.  The Mass Effect team are true auteurs.  The Sopranos guys stand by their ending and Casey will stand by his.  Both were great endings in my opinion.  Take your own wishes out of the equation and you might be able to see that the ME3 ending was tonally and thematically appropriate, a perfect exit note.

And just to note, I am going to buy all the DLC they release to support them.  I support great storytelling and the most well-executed video game of all time.  And I support their entire vision of Mass Effect.

This is not the sapranos. This is a game that is all about the choices you made, the endings negate those choices. 

Additionally the writers from the origional games are mostly gone and have been replaced by other ones. It has not been the same people. 

Casey has been the showrunner since the beginning.  And it is a game about choices.  That's why the ending is a climactic choice.  It doesn't negate the relationships you've formed, it doesn't negate what you've done for numerous individuals and civilizations, and it doesn't negate the impact Shepard had on the galaxy.  But it isn't a choose your own adventure novel.  They kept a certain narrative framework that your choices were able to partially mold.  That's how they told such a good story.

And by that "negate" logic, all choices are negated because everyone dies eventually.  You make the choices you think are right at the time you make them.  That's life.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 10 mars 2012 - 02:09 .

[Sashimi_taco]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Casey has been the showrunner since the beginning.  And it is a game about choices.  That's why the ending is a climactic choice.  It doesn't negate the relationships you've formed, it doesn't negate what you've done for numerous individuals and civilizations, and it doesn't negate the impact Shepard had on the galaxy.  But it isn't a choose your own adventure novel.  They kept a certain narrative framework that your choices were able to partially mold.  That's how they told such a good story.

From what I've read in this place, and many others, is that these are not the endings we were supposed to get. 

http://www.ign.com/b...lers.250066288/

[AlexXIV]

Well if they want to sell me any DLCs they better make one that fixes the ending first. I don't even want it as an optional ending. I want it to go away, I want to forget it. I want to drink until I pass out and wake up on the floor of a toilet or on a couch next to Aria.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 10 mars 2012 - 02:13 .

[Xellith]

The ending made me make this...

[Genun]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Game was recently released in Europe. Waiting for more opinions from there.

Also this is super delicate. BW has to handle this very carefully or it'll be like a nuclear warhead going off.

I would say a second warhead going off. I think Bioware has already shot themself in the foot once this week.