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[The Big Nothing]

breyant wrote...

I just finished... loved the ending.

Just wish someone would explain to me what happened... hah

You loved the cut scenes, then. You didn't understand the ending.

[Valo_Soren]

breyant wrote...

I just finished... loved the ending.

Just wish someone would explain to me what happened... hah

-high fives- Isn't it great? Such a great ending.

[dkear1]

wastelander75 wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Right. I am left with no meaningful consequences from all of those hard choices I made earlier in the trilogy, my alignment makes no difference whatsoever, there is NO explanation as to why the crew and ship is where it is at the end, the biggest evil in the franchise is introduced in the last five minutes, choosing any of the options goes against EVERYTHING my Shepard stands for, there is NO choice to refuse and NO way to find out what the hell happens to the rest of the galaxy (you know, after I worked for three games to save it?). Other than that, if I ever decide to play through again, I won't have to change my character one bit because it makes NO difference at the end and therefore kills the purpose of replaying the game at all and actually having any damn choices be presented to me in the first place. In a series about choices.
How the hell do you not get this? You keep talking about "the numbers" like I am somehow supposed to be satisfied that after every hard choice I have made, every plot, every character's life I have changed, for worse or better, all I get to see from it in the end is a goddamn number? Which in itself barely changes the ending, be it 2000 or 10000.
That may work for you, buddy, but it's not acceptable to me.

This. A thousand times this. I couldn't have put it any better.

Agreed!!!!! 

[Valo_Soren]

The Big Nothing wrote...

breyant wrote...

I just finished... loved the ending.

Just wish someone would explain to me what happened... hah

You loved the cut scenes, then. You didn't understand the ending.

Not all of us are going to agree but personal attacks on peoples intelligences are not necessary.

[Tartilus]

Valo_Soren wrote...

2) Did people ever really think there would be one total fix-all make everything happy again ending via sacrifice or no sacrifice? I'm sorry but the world doesn't work that way, and this is a good example of it. Your choices do affect everything. A) All the choices you make in ME 1 and 2 play out to help that 'number' you people are talking about, the War Assets, go up, the higher the number the more different the endings can be and what exactly happens with your choices. Without making certain choices in the previous two games certain things are or are not possible either way you play. All of it affects that number. Remember there are no guarantees, people don't even know what the Crucible does. And the war still ends either way through control, destruction, or Synergy. 

What an outrageous strawman. You have seem to have a very narrow understanding of the criticism of this ending. The 'happiness' is almost irrelevent to many people; the problem is the lack of closure. There is no falling action, no conclusion. The Bioware writers could've taken a night class at the Learning Annex and picked up that this is not how you end a story, nevermind a character-driven trilogy. It's not a subjective matter, and its not about tone, it's blatantly lacking elements which are required for a satisfactory ending.

[SolidBeast]

Valo_Soren wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

breyant wrote...

I just finished... loved the ending.

Just wish someone would explain to me what happened... hah

You loved the cut scenes, then. You didn't understand the ending.

Not all of us are going to agree but personal attacks on peoples intelligences are not necessary.

So are you saying that if I misunderstand something, that automatically makes me an idiot?

[breyant]

The Big Nothing wrote...

breyant wrote...

I just finished... loved the ending.

Just wish someone would explain to me what happened... hah

You loved the cut scenes, then. You didn't understand the ending.

No one understood the ending... I enjoyed it for what it was. I just don't feel the need to come to the internet and complain about it on every gaming website and forum.

[loungeshep]

Valo_Soren wrote...

breyant wrote...

I just finished... loved the ending.

Just wish someone would explain to me what happened... hah

-high fives- Isn't it great? Such a great ending.

Woo!

[Valo_Soren]

breyant wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

breyant wrote...

I just finished... loved the ending.

Just wish someone would explain to me what happened... hah

You loved the cut scenes, then. You didn't understand the ending.

No one understood the ending... I enjoyed it for what it was. I just don't feel the need to come to the internet and complain about it on every gaming website and forum.

Yeah it does appear to be the same people crying foul over and over again. It's not so much a majority as it is a group of people frothing at the mouth.

[Tartilus]

Valo_Soren wrote...

breyant wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

breyant wrote...

I just finished... loved the ending.

Just wish someone would explain to me what happened... hah

You loved the cut scenes, then. You didn't understand the ending.

No one understood the ending... I enjoyed it for what it was. I just don't feel the need to come to the internet and complain about it on every gaming website and forum.

Yeah it does appear to be the same people crying foul over and over again. It's not so much a majority as it is a group of people frothing at the mouth.

A bold supposition, one which I invite you to back up with evidence.

I will note in passing that your attendance on these forums seems less a matter of engaging in helpful discourse and more a matter of making yourself look superior, and you are doing a poor job.

[SolidBeast]

Valo_Soren wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

I can understand all the negative reactions, people don't like being taken out of their comfort zones so its hard to accept a bittersweet ending. That fact is why I applaud Bioware's genius in it. You call it disappointment, I call it excellent work.

You call that bittersweet? I call it bitter.
And the "best" scenario? I'd rather die.
Other than that, it's not about being "in a comfort zone" or having a "perfectly happy" ending. It's about the fact that these endings make. no. goddamn. sense.

Yes, they do actually, they make totally perfect sense. You just aren't seeing the bigger picture.

Right. I am left with no meaningful consequences from all of those hard choices I made earlier in the trilogy, my alignment makes no difference whatsoever, there is NO explanation as to why the crew and ship is where it is at the end, the biggest evil in the franchise is introduced in the last five minutes, choosing any of the options goes against EVERYTHING my Shepard stands for, there is NO choice to refuse and NO way to find out what the hell happens to the rest of the galaxy (you know, after I worked for three games to save it?). Other than that, if I ever decide to play through again, I won't have to change my character one bit because it makes NO difference at the end and therefore kills the purpose of replaying the game at all and actually having any damn choices be presented to me in the first place. In a series about choices.

I wouldn't call the super intelligent race that controls the reapers evil, they just have no way of understandign emotion because they've evolved so highly that they don't have an ymoral qualms about anything, they are doing what they percieve as brignign order to chaos, they can't understand of fathom emotional qualities behind it ebcause they have evolved past that, to them this is all logical. to call them evil is a misnomer.

SPOILERS
Way to ignore the rest of my legitimate points. That's the one thing you take out from it?
So  you're saying that an AI, which purposefully presents itself as a child that has been haunting my thoughts, does so without any intention? You're saying that there is nothing malicious in telling me what all of us organics do or do not deserve? That taking NO note of what has happened in this cycle whatsoever and applying logic to it, but instead forcing me to accept that his is the ONLY way, is somehow beneficial to anyone? And furthermore, is somehow indicating superior intelligence?
That destroying the very core of what makes us what we are because of something we may or may not do is for our own good? A synthetic, mocking me to my face by telling me they are doing this to protect us from synthetics?!
And I, Commander Shepard, go ahead and say, to this AI that I have never seen before "Oh, are you sure this will work? Okay then."!?!? And I am supposed to accept that?

Modifié par SolidBeast, 11 mars 2012 - 12:17 .

[dkear1]

Valo_Soren wrote...
Why it makes sense: 

1) It explains why the Reapers are always talking about ascension, to bring order to the chaos of organic life, so that man and machine are one and the same, to create more Reapers, to keep the galaxy from being totally destroyed. Order to chaos in their way. They believe they are making the races of the galaxy higher beings by assimilating their energies into new Reapers and it keeps the order in check. 

2) Did people ever really think there would be one total fix-all make everything happy again ending via sacrifice or no sacrifice? I'm sorry but the world doesn't work that way, and this is a good example of it. Your choices do affect everything. A) All the choices you make in ME 1 and 2 play out to help that 'number' you people are talking about, the War Assets, go up, the higher the number the more different the endings can be and what exactly happens with your choices. Without making certain choices in the previous two games certain things are or are not possible either way you play. All of it affects that number. Remember there are no guarantees, people don't even know what the Crucible does. And the war still ends either way through control, destruction, or Synergy.

Why this is absurd:
1) Key word: Belief....not proof.....belief.  The reapers believe this to be true (synthetics destroying organics).  Where is the proof that this is inevitable?  Hell, if you make certain choices (can't say what as this is a no spoiler zone) then you can prove this is BS.  As for acension - yea right, what sick dark twisted fairy tale has wiser beings being formed from murdering trillions of sentiant beings?  Wrong!!! Please try again.

2) Who said anything about one total fix all?  This whole series has been about options.  This game is supposed to be about making the PC "MY SHEPARD"!  What happened to this?  And as for my choices have meaning by raising war assets?????  Big deal....what does that accomplish but give me perhaps one more color shade crap ending?  The series was never about railroading you into things until the end.  And the as to understanding the crucible and what it does - who cares - I don't have to know what a gun does to pull the trigger do I?  Sorry, but those execuses are as lame as the games endings.

[kbct]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Yeah it does appear to be the same people crying foul over and over again. It's not so much a majority as it is a group of people frothing at the mouth.

Go look at the spoiler forums. Go look at the user reviews. Go look at the polls. It's not the same people. I can't believe how many people dislike the ending(s).

[The Big Nothing]

Valo_Soren wrote...

breyant wrote...

I just finished... loved the ending.

Just wish someone would explain to me what happened... hah

-high fives- Isn't it great? Such a great ending.

You read like a troll to me.

(Spoilers)

An angelic, omniscient child appears and explains that his people created a synthetic/organic hybrid race to wipe out all organic life before they create synthetic life that wipes out all organic life (wtf?). He then trusts the organic stranger and common soldier who foiled his stupid plan with determining the fate of the galaxy with a device that still remains a mystery but is apparently capable of any fantastical feat (wtf?). Regardless of the decisions Shepard made throughout the series, he is faced with three options with only one resolution.

Ending 1: Control the Reapers. This is never mentioned by anyone aside from the Illusive Man because it is made to seem ludicrous, as Reapers naturally indoctrinate organics and are determined to kill them all. It is not explained how the Crucible controls the Reapers, or how any technology was developed to control an enigmatic machine race that appears in 50,000 year intervals.

Ending 2: Synergy. Transhumanism is almost never brought up in the series, and there is no explanation of how or why leaping into a beam of light and disintegrating causes the galaxy to become cyborgs. Space magic?

Ending 3: Destroy the Reapers with a pulse of energy broadcast through the relays. The only viable ending, but I still don't understand how shooting a valve is "the on switch."

The Normandy apparently beams Shepard's crew up, flees from the battle prematurely, and crash lands on a planet after the relays detonate. Then, sometime in the future, an old man stands on what is ostensibly that same planet and relays all of Commander Shepard's depravities to a child.

The End. Yeah, it was great.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 11 mars 2012 - 12:11 .

[The Big Nothing]

SolidBeast wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

breyant wrote...

I just finished... loved the ending.

Just wish someone would explain to me what happened... hah

You loved the cut scenes, then. You didn't understand the ending.

Not all of us are going to agree but personal attacks on peoples intelligences are not necessary.

So are you saying that if I misunderstand something, that automatically makes me an idiot?

It wasn't a personal attack, I was repeating what was said: "someone explain to me what happened..." You didn't understand the ending.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 11 mars 2012 - 12:05 .

[dkear1]

Valo_Soren wrote...
I wouldn't call the super intelligent race that controls the reapers evil, they just have no way of understandign emotion because they've evolved so highly that they don't have an ymoral qualms about anything, they are doing what they percieve as brignign order to chaos, they can't understand of fathom emotional qualities behind it ebcause they have evolved past that, to them this is all logical. to call them evil is a misnomer.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, don't say they can be anything but evil.  The murdering of countless trillions of sentient beings, all for a belief that is unproven?  Misquided evil - yea, I could go for that, but evil none the less.  And if they are so super intelligent - please explain why they don't recogise that I am able, through game choices to prove them wrong.  By the way, if the reapers are made up of sentiant beings and thus made more intellegent by them.....what did happen to the emotions/morals that would have also been absorbed by that science/space magic?  Emotions/morals are a part of sentient life so where did they go?  Did the magic pixie space fairy wink them away with her magic wand?  No, no, no, no.  Please do us all a favor and stop with the inane logic leaps.  They are as large as the plot holes in this game.

[Icemix]

breyant wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

breyant wrote...

I just finished... loved the ending.

Just wish someone would explain to me what happened... hah

You loved the cut scenes, then. You didn't understand the ending.

No one understood the ending... I enjoyed it for what it was. I just don't feel the need to come to the internet and complain about it on every gaming website and forum.

What is there to understand? That at the last 20 minutes some God/creator unexplained thing comes out of nowhere, gives you the argument that you need to die because your synthetic creations MAY someday cause total annihilation? How is that in any shape or form relevant to the Mass Effect story? Its like I did not waste hours building an alliance between organics and synthetics. Why can't we call it out on its bull****? Why can't we point it out the window and ****ing prove it wrong. No Shepard of which we know would bow down to that thing and accepts the retarded solutions it offers. The Shepard we know would flip it off and fight for our own future. Don't even get me started on the Normandy. Joker or any of the crew would NEVER abandon Shepard or the battle that is going on. Why the **** is it fleeing with all of your crew? 
The ending makes no sense whatsoever. There is nothing to understand, its just realy bad writing and it needs to be fixed.

[SolidBeast]

The Big Nothing wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

breyant wrote...

I just finished... loved the ending.

Just wish someone would explain to me what happened... hah

You loved the cut scenes, then. You didn't understand the ending.

Not all of us are going to agree but personal attacks on peoples intelligences are not necessary.

So are you saying that if I misunderstand something, that automatically makes me an idiot?

It wasn't a personal attack, I was repeating what you said: "someone explain to me what happened..." You didn't understand the ending.

But now, your inability to understand when someone is repeating what you said about yourself... I'm not sure what that makes you.

You're replying to the wrong person. What I was implying is that you were in no way implying someone was stupid for misunderstanding, simply that they misunderstood and therefore that it was in no way an insult to someone's intelligence, as Valo_Soren suggests (rather, that in itself is implying something).

Modifié par SolidBeast, 11 mars 2012 - 12:05 .

[dkear1]

The Big Nothing wrote...

****spoilers******

Dude, while I agree with all you said this is supposed to be a NO SPOILER zone
Yea, the ending sucked but you should edit your post before they get deleted or warned.

[The Big Nothing]

SolidBeast wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

breyant wrote...

I just finished... loved the ending.

Just wish someone would explain to me what happened... hah

You loved the cut scenes, then. You didn't understand the ending.

Not all of us are going to agree but personal attacks on peoples intelligences are not necessary.

So are you saying that if I misunderstand something, that automatically makes me an idiot?

It wasn't a personal attack, I was repeating what you said: "someone explain to me what happened..." You didn't understand the ending.

But now, your inability to understand when someone is repeating what you said about yourself... I'm not sure what that makes you.

You're replying to the wrong person. What I was implying is that you were in no way implying someone was stupid for misunderstanding, simply that they misunderstood and therefore that it was in no way an insult to someone's intelligence, as Valo_Soren suggests (rather, that in itself is implying something).

Well, then thank you for defending my damsel self. Also, for bringing this to my attention.

I just edited my post.

[The Big Nothing]

dkear1 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

****spoilers******

Dude, while I agree with all you said this is supposed to be a NO SPOILER zone
Yea, the ending sucked but you should edit your post before they get deleted or warned.

I can't get into the spoiler forum. The site won't let me register my game. So, I'm *spoiler*-ing everything spoiler-y.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 11 mars 2012 - 12:12 .

[Foxhound2020]

Honestly, ya I think I would find it hard to buy a dlc for extra content mid-game with the way the ending is. I can't give you a precise answer why.

[SolidBeast]

Foxhound2020 wrote...

Honestly, ya I think I would find it hard to buy a dlc for extra content mid-game with the way the ending is. I can't give you a precise answer why.

Because playing anything before the ending is rendered pointless by the ending once you have experienced it, which means there can be no actual motive to play it?

Modifié par SolidBeast, 11 mars 2012 - 12:30 .

[rinoe]

I get a little angry with ppl who said they don't care what happend to Shepard . That the ending don't need to be happy...

I will ask - why not, if we heve 16 outcomes? Bah, 16 different outcomes? Theoretically.
I was so happy to hear about this... so much to play, decisions, and all...

We all know what we get, but... If I could get it fixed, I would like to have a happy endind among all of them. I want a piece when my Shepard lives and get some happines, I want to see united races - organiac and unorganic working together and I even want sunset and holding hands or soemthing after the end... the flashes of all mates we meet and we saved.

And I want a very bad end, when eg. Sehp is indoctrinated and help reapers wins, killing Anderson himelf/herself... going suicede or soemthing,
And a few in beetwen.

And IT MUST have sense - heavily depends on our actions in entire game.
That is the pack of well made endings.

I want save my Shep and my friends - whats wrong with this? Why not make something for everyone who is attached to the game?

I WANT TO HAVE THAT POSSIBILITY - HAPPY END. My Shepd deserves that!