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[t003]

 Who gave this... thing all the power in the galaxy? Is it not synthetic too? Why the hell can't it just kill the reapers by itself if its so all powerful? Why does it need shepard to shoot some random glass tube to kill the reapers? WTF is this even supposed to be!? *facepalm*

[Eterna]

Next time don't wear ear plugs when god tells you what's going on.

[Obliterati]

Good thing Shepard still had his sidearm, otherwise the galaxy would have been doomed.

I can just see it: "Oh crap, I'm out of bullets...uh, I mean 'thermal clips'...I guess I'll just try pounding on it with my fists."

[CruserBoii]

Even if it could kill the reapers, it wouldn't. Since it's the one who came up with the plan to eradicate all organic life through the 'cycles'.

[Serp86]

Obliterati wrote...

Good thing Shepard still had his sidearm, otherwise the galaxy would have been doomed.

I can just see it: "Oh crap, I'm out of bullets...uh, I mean 'thermal clips'...I guess I'll just try pounding on it with my fists."

Don't worry the Weapon Shepard had in the last part was magical it doesn't need to be reloaded anymore. You can walk around shooting the whole way to whereever you want to go without ever having to reload.

[CrisisOne]

I would have preferred talking with harbinger instead of the kid, I think it would have been more fitting with him being the oldest of the reapers.

[deathscythe517]

You know what would have been a better Deus Ex Machina than the ****ing crucible? Figuring out a way to screw with the Reapers synthetic and organic components, perhaps, developing some kind of shield destroyer only to finish it off with conventional fire or a bioweapon that ate away at the organic innards of them.

[thoaloa]

Well its plan is illogical. I kill/bottle all organic life with a massive synthetic life form war to prevent them from killing themselves from making synthetic lifeforms that attack them. Crazy in that he should be stopping himself on the first cycle if that was his objective to not have synthetics wipe out organics... (Its inevitable because your being really stupid kid god AI useless talking thing)

Shepard should just go and press restart on that AI's core to get a different personality to talk to because that AI is just insane.

Also organic life could easily wipe itself out without getting FTL travel or even within the 50000 year time span. So the whole cycle thing is stupid and would miss a number of species that invested in developing skynets instead of space exploration. Also the amount of element zero they burned up in the endings is likely going to make it impossible to quickly rebuild the network. I guess they will have to make up a new magic element.

[Biotic Sage]

Maybe the Catalyst is a being outside of the cycle. From a different galaxy. He is not organic or synthetic, maybe a being of pure energy? Who knows. I think it's ambiguous on purpose. The franchise isn't completely over after all.

[Spatchmo]

The catalyst is a literal "deus ex machina" plot device. Back in the early days of plays, everything would get resolved by god coming down to "fix" everything, often on some stage prop. Hence the phrase, "god from the machine". While it's a cool sounding phrase, it actually had a negative connotation back in those days because it was a horribly abused cliche and people got sick of seeing it.

And as evident by the reactions to the endings of ME3, it's still a terrible plot device.

[t003]

CrisisOne wrote...

I would have preferred talking with harbinger instead of the kid, I think it would have been more fitting with him being the oldest of the reapers.

Thats how I pictuerd it. There should have been an epic boss fight with him, which I just realized, this game is missing one. And then you should have gone to the citadel and just sat down with Anderson and watch the Crucible/Catalyst and the fleets wipe out the remaining reapers. and then wake up in Huerta with your romance or something.

[Reiella]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Maybe the Catalyst is a being outside of the cycle. From a different galaxy. He is not organic or synthetic, maybe a being of pure energy? Who knows. I think it's ambiguous on purpose. The franchise isn't completely over after all.

Remember that keeper you walked by after getting to the beam?

That's the guy behind the curtain.  He's just hoping for an end to having to keep cleaning up our messes.

[Archereon]

The Catalyst is in the most literal sense a Deus Ex Machina. That's it.

[Biotic Sage]

Archereon wrote...

The Catalyst is in the most literal sense a Deus Ex Machina. That's it.

Haha literally yes.  But in the most familiar sense of the term no.  The Crucible was being built through the entire game.  The cycle had been explained through all 3 games.  So he didn't just come out of nowhere.  We always knew there was a will behind the Reapers.  We just weren't sure if it was coming from the Reapers themselves or from a puppeteer.

[Knifewrenchlol]

It has the "condemn everyone with _________ and say it's to protecting people from __________" element... It's missing Shepard being created by it through parthenogenesis, so no.

[Teddie Sage]

Can't believe they actually went there. I hate deities in sci-fi. Unless they're from Stargate Sg1.

[Biotic Sage]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Can't believe they actually went there. I hate deities in sci-fi. Unless they're from Stargate Sg1.

Just because there is another form of life that is more advanced than any we've encountered doesn't mean it's a deity.  The Hanar don't understand this but that's another matter.

[saracen16]

Teddie Sage wrote...

Can't believe they actually went there. I hate deities in sci-fi. Unless they're from Stargate Sg1.

I don't think it's a diety moreso than an AI with a god complex, just like the Reapers it created. It's clear that the Reapers were a mistake that the AI made because it created them based on the assumption that organics will always develop towards a technological singularity that involves the creation of an AI that will rebel and wipe them out, and it somehow implicitly acknowledged that notion. It's ironic because the Catalyst can be seen as a benevolent dictator of evolution. When Sovereign said that the pattern has repeated itself more than we can fathom, Vendetta wrapped that up as well, saying that these cycles of synthesis and dissolution have occurred.

But that somehow goes against what Sovereign said about the mass relays and the Citadel: that this technology was put in place to allow the people to develop along the paths the Reapers want, because the Catalyst stated that the Reapers harvest the advanced civilizations to "save them from the dangers of AI", and that's what their program dictated. So, in essence, the Reapers are the hellish angels of death, and the Catalyst is their "god".

Still, you could have a point: that BioWare didn't make it apparent what the Catalyst really was comes to show how thought-provoking this - and the entire game - really is.

[saracen16]

Archereon wrote...

The Catalyst is in the most literal sense a Deus Ex Machina. That's it.

Errr, maybe in the way that it is in the Deus Ex games, but not a Deus Ex Machina: the fleets of the galaxy fought to build the Crucible and Shepard fought his way to the Catalyst. I really doubt that it's a Deus Ex Machina.