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[MrChowderClam]

Adakutay wrote...

MrChowderClam wrote...

Adakutay wrote...

He's just hacked by it! Of course he knows some things about it.

right, but you stated before that he doesn't know anything about it. I'm confused. In any case, I guess I can see where you're coming from(?).
The ending certainly does leave a lot open to interpretation. I'm still not completely sold on your argument.

I stated he doesn't know anything about it until you hack him with it.

Adakutay wrote...

The catalyst has no idea about the crucible, all he knows: due to it now he's able consider new plot devi- i mean options.

In any case, I don't remember Shepard hacking the catalyst? I don't think I'm understanding you correctly. I get you when you say that the crucible was probably not something created by the catalyst. That I understand. And I respond to that by saying that the catalyst seems to have a good understanding of the crucible, and what it does. You claim that this is a plot device. I can see how that would work. But either way, it shows that the catalyst has an uncanny understanding of how the crucible works, which suggests that he played a role in it's design or creation. I'm just not sure what you mean by hacking?

[deathscythe517]

^ To the above, I applaud your somewhat creative use of "big stupid jellyfish".

[Bhaal]

MrChowderClam wrote...

The catalyst has no idea about the crucible, all he knows: due to it now he's able consider new plot devi- i mean options.

Fixed for ya.

MrChowderClam wrote...
In any case, I don't remember Shepard hacking the catalyst? I don't think I'm understanding you correctly. I get you when you say that the crucible was probably not something created by the catalyst. That I understand. And I respond to that by saying that the catalyst seems to have a good understanding of the crucible, and what it does. You claim that this is a plot device. I can see how that would work. But either way, it shows that the catalyst has an uncanny understanding of how the crucible works, which suggests that he played a role in it's design or creation. I'm just not sure what you mean by hacking?

Because he witnessed it's effect by first hand. He's self aware have you noticed? Also crucible changed he's perception and gave him notion of his harvesting isn't a solution anymore. This is simply hacking a self aware A.I .

Modifié par Adakutay, 10 mars 2012 - 11:26 .

[Nafzger]

The fact that we even have such a thing in the ME universe is stupid. Then to find out its function...

So every galactic civilization that has been wiped out began working on a weapon they believed would destroy the reapers. A weapon that just so happens to require the Citadel to be used, which was built by the reapers. Even if it's a test, it's a bass ackwards way of giving it. The only way it makes sense is if over the past million or so years, the reapers were indoctrinating the species into creating such a device, hoping one day a race would be able to build it and...hook it up to the damned Citadel to wake up the Guardian. So the reapers dropped clues on how to build a device that would provide a test but then go out of their way to make sure no one can ever access the test?

Please, for the love of God, someone explain this to me. I'm so unbelievably confused by it.

Secondly, how did The Illusive Man warn the reapers about humans using the Crucible? He just has Harbinger on speed dial or what?

**** this game.

Modifié par Nafzger, 10 mars 2012 - 01:59 .

[Nafzger]

oops

Modifié par Nafzger, 10 mars 2012 - 01:58 .

[blooregard]

Ok my theory on the reapers should help explain the crucible with a little help from that guy who said it was a failsafe device.

The Reapers weren't always Reapers obviously but their people built the Citadel and the mass relays. because of how advanced they were they eventually built robot assistants (I'll refer to them as Geth for simplicity) but  they became self aware and that scared the crap out of the Reapers so they decided to try and kill them. Eventually due to the wide spreadness of the pre-Reaper race (entire galaxy) the Geth slowly began conquering them. The first thing they built was the Citadel in hopes of escaping their synthetic attackers (like Noah's Ark) but they also had planned on harvesting their dead and turning them into reapers in order to fight the war. When they had finally defeated their Geth the remaining survivors of the pre-Reapers race realized that whole "created will always rebel against the creators" theory would repeat itself more times then not figured the only way to stop it would be to harvest the advanced civilizations that could make the mistake of making Geth. So their final choice was to harvest the remainder of their population and convert them into reapers and build the crucible. 

The crucible as the guy before me stated would serve as a fail safe and a "final" solution to the cycles. As the years went on more and more civilizations discovered the plans for the crucible and more and more civilizations tried to build it (with the Protheans being the closest until our cycle). The AI made by the pre-Reapers (the catalyst) wasn't programmed to know what the crucible did which would explain why it said it gave him new ideas and gave him the realization that the cycles wouldn't work any longer. TIM comes into play here after gaining the catalyst data from Thessia and informing his masters of what is happening Harbinger/the catalyst believe that this would be the worst possible thing to happen to the galaxy and have order TIM to take control of the Reapers making the indoctronated illusive man believe this would be the best for all of humanity. As for Cerberus' research regarding controlling the Reapers its highly possible TIM was making progress the Reapers didn't want to see and thus attacked sanctuary as TIM and his researchers weren't indoctronated enough or another possibility was the Reapers found out or already knew about the research some time before or after Thessia but when the crucible was brought to the attention of the Reapers they realized any progress TIM made could be very dangerous to the reapers which is why Kai Leng went in to recover some data and why the Reapers were attacking Cerberus as well as an attempt to destroy as much data as they could have.

The Reapers who were still unknowing of the crucible's failsafe intentions believed that if it was meant to control them they need to have an indoctronated servent take control in order to render the weapon useless which would explain why the Reapers paid no attention to the crucible and why they allowed it to dock with the Citadel simply because they believed TIM would activate it, take control of the Reapers, and because he was indoctronated the Reaper would continue their cycles and lull the civilizations into a false sense of victory seeing the crucible activate and affect the reapers ultimately defeating the the organtic races and allowing the cycle to continue. Then when the crucible docked with the Citadel the catalyst got that extra "they are worthy" programming which allowed the Citadel's programming to accept the crucible and make the necessary adjustments to allow for the 3 choices. In order to not fail under false assumptions the Reapers would continue their reaping until the crucible was activated just to be sure the cycle that completed the crucible was worthy enough to be free of the cycles TIM was ultimately the "final test" in order to be sure that cycle was worthy.

As for why the Reapers made the Collectors and why they were building a human Reaper my only assumption would be that the reapers wanted an "R&D" department to do expirements on organtics to figure out what makes them tick and to draft a new Reaper design with a certain species in mind. Its fully possible given the Reapers' tech and knowledge can make a Reaper to look and perform like a Human, Turian, or even just make them into another Reaper tenticles and all.

Modifié par blooregard, 10 mars 2012 - 03:09 .