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[Archereon]

After watching all of the endings on youtube, I'm starting to wonder if the reason everyone is so mad is that pretty much every ending results in Shepard's death, no matter your choices or readiness, above pretty much every other reason is being tossed around.


Imagine this scenario: If you're able to get enough assets for the war, Anderson ends up with you before the catalyst, and you're capable of choosing who makes the sacrifice for the Control and Synthesis endings. That would have the effect of opening up those two endings to players who don't want Shepard to die.

While Joker and the Normandy's crew being stranded somewhere is unpleasent, the ending leaves that open; it's entirely possible that they could eventually be rescued, particularly in the synthesis ending in which they may be immortal or at least longer lived than normal.

Thoughts?

Modifié par Archereon, 10 mars 2012 - 02:48 .

[The Chosen Predator]

that or all three of them made their choices before shepard did screwing the balance of everything! jk im not sure the ending left me unsatisfied i want to see what happens to everyone afterwards I don't care about shepard dying but to see how everyone moves on without him would be interesting

[byne]

No, my problem with the endings is that they make no sense.

Where was Joker going during the end? Did he realize he left his wallet back on Thessia? How did all my squadmates (including the ones supposedly killed by Harbinger) manage to make it onto the Normandy?

[Caelistas]

No, i could accept shepard dying (but i would still prefer one good ending at least). It's just that the ending doesn't make sense at all.

Why the hell were my squadmates who were with me during the final assault in London and who were behind me when i was racing to the lightportal (when under fire from harbinger) suddenly appear on the normandy after the crash on Jurassic Park world. But then why was the normandy there? wasn't the normany battling on earth?

The endings created so many new unanswered questions for the "grand finale" of the ME series.

[John Locke N7]

the problem is the relay and the citadel exploding.

oh and there being a techo magic crazy ending.

oh and nothing you've been doing the last 5 years has any effect on it.

oh a.... never mind. you get the idea

[webhead921]

Also, Shepard doesn't die in all of the endings.  Personally, I like the endings.  ME3 is my favorite in the series!

Modifié par webhead921, 10 mars 2012 - 01:59 .

[Thrazesul]

From what I've gathered its the fact that none of the endings depends on previous decisions. That's my own issue among several.

I could deal with Shepard dying if it wasn't for the Normandy scene. With the mass relays gone, I am sure they are pretty lost. Not to say that why the heck is the Normandy on its way away from Earth to begin with.

[idunhavaname]

No. It's the normandy crew stranded on some stupid planet never to return to earth.

[AdmiralCheez]

Nah. What happens to Shepard is only the tip of the iceberg.

The problem is that a lot of what was there didn't need to be there, and what should have been there was entirely absent. The ending may have worked if it had provided more information and fit with the rest of the trilogy. As it stands, however, it's very much a square peg in a round hole.

Made of poo.

With "JC + Helios wuz hear" scribbled on the side

[TeamLexana]

My real problem is the crew gets stranded no matter what. I can deal with Shep (me in the series) dying, just don't kill the whole crew too.

[wolfsite]

My problem is that the Mass Effect Universe was built on choices that make huge changes as the series went on, but in the end..... you really had no real choice at all.

[TeamLexana]

idunhavaname wrote...

No. It's the normandy crew stranded on some stupid planet never to return to earth.

Yup.

[Ruari]

byne wrote...

No, my problem with the endings is that they make no sense.

Where was Joker going during the end? Did he realize he left his wallet back on Thessia? How did all my squadmates (including the ones supposedly killed by Harbinger) manage to make it onto the Normandy?

This.

Space magic made Joker pick them all up in the middle of all units being wiped out (ignoring Shepard...the hero) and then he decided the world was screwed, let's go to Hawaii island world! 

Modifié par Ruari, 10 mars 2012 - 02:02 .

[AlexXIV]

It's more how Shepard died. Because it is stupid.

Of course I would have prefered that Shepard is alive but I would sacrifice him/her to save others. Because Shep is a damn hero. But the problem with the ending is that the catalyst thing is a huge pile of BS that seems from an alternative dimension. I mean there is a god-thing that can transform organic life into machines and the other way round with a wave of the hand. Yet it is not intelligent enough to find a better solution for the galaxy than the Reapers and on top lets Shepard decide about the fate? I feel my brain rot when I even think about it.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 10 mars 2012 - 02:04 .

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Why do people say "the" problem with the endings? There were a lot.

[frylock23]

No, it's not that Shepard dies. You can avoid that if you try, so it isn't that. What annoys me is what happens to Normandy and her crew. It defies all the we know about what the crew was doing at the end. How did they wind up back on the ship all of a sudden? How did they wind up suddenly flying out toward Pluto? How did that happen before the end? Why maroon them on some un-named, uncharted planet? There aren't enough people on the ship to create and sustain a viable population even assuming they find an environment they are compatible with.

Basically, it feels like BioWare just intentially disposed of the crew in the most painful and meaningless way they could thin of without even any adequate explanation. And that's what makes me the maddest.

And if you really read what others are saying about the endings, that's just the tip of the iceberg. Whether or not Shepard dies is the least of the issues and since you can avoid that with careful work, it isn't even an issue.

[GennadiosMxms]

No, the real problem with the endings is that everything Shepherd fought 5 years for was made null and moot by the endings. One of the endings came sort of close to being proper, but I'm not very happy with what it did to the Geth and EDI.

I don't think many people really expected survival.

[Biotic Sage]

There is no problem with the content of the ending, only the editing. Why are squadmates who were with Shepard seen exiting the Normandy at the end? Why was the Normandy going FTL when the blast hit? These are editing issues that could easily be resolved with context.

[IanPolaris]

The fact Shep dies in most of the endings is not a problem at all (at least for me) [although a 'Disney' Shep lives to see his little blue girls might be nice]. The problem comes in several areas:

1. The endings aren't actually different.
2. The endings essentially destroy the Mass Effect universe. This means that NONE of Shepard's choices over the past three games actually matter. It's this that I think is really, really rubbing people the wrong way.
3. The ending feels like a posterior pull and seems completely contradictory to the feel and emphasis of the entire rest of the game (and series).

-Polaris

Edit 4. (I forgot one)  There is no sense of closure.  There is no sense that any of the decisions you made mattered or had an effect on the universe.  Way too many open/unanswered questions.

Modifié par IanPolaris, 10 mars 2012 - 02:05 .

[JesseLee202]

So Shep lives in the renegade ending if you have wicked high assets... It still leaves hope for him to rescue his team and LI.

[AxisEvolve]

Shepard dying in the Merge ending was devastating. But it would have been so much more acceptable if his sacrifice meant more..

Too much bad came out of the endings. The Geth being wiped out with EDI, the Relays destroyed, the crew stranded forever. And along with that.. Shepard dies most of the time. The only good side effect was disabling the Reapers.

The decisions have so much negative impacts that it devalues the feeling of finally defeating the Reapers. The losses were too high for it to feel like a victory. I don't know about anyone else but I felt as if I failed as Commander Shepard, the worst part is there is no way to succeed.

The ending did not feel good. It should have.

[IanPolaris]

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[humes spork]

No, not for me, not by a long shot. After everything that happened during the course of ME3, I wanted Shepard to make the heroic sacrifice and save the galaxy doing it, because it was pretty clear through the course of 3 that was the only way s/he'd know peace after all that had happened. Heck, by extension the entire trilogy is a litany of others voluntarily, or Shepard sending them off to, make the heroic sacrifice while Shepard kept going. The end of ME3 was Shepard's turn.

I'm personally hacked off it was an eleventh-hour deus ex machina upon which nothing that had come before mattered.

[KingNothing125]

There are several problems with the endings. Shepard dying being one of them.

[masseffectinglife]

100+ hours getting to know the characters and more importantly, caring about them and to have no closure.
I thought ME3 was about Shepard and how he impacts the world and people around him. To end the game the way it was, do not resolve or conclude or even show the impact Shepard had on the larger world, or more importantly the other characters. It's disappointing to say the least. The rest of the game was brilliant and I was cheering so many times. But the ending really damaged it.