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[Xellith]

F*** the catalyst. That never happened. I refuse to believe that crap is canon.

Modifié par Xellith, 10 mars 2012 - 03:06 .

[Biotic Sage]

celestiatem wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...
Just because Geth and Quarians have been working together for a couple of weeks doesn't mean that synthetic/organic conflict isn't inevitable.  It doesnt' even begin to disprove the Catalyst's assertion.  Just sayin.

Not sure how that isn't proving the Catalyst is wrong, even if just a bit. I'd say that's a big slap in the face of "this can work". Stop trying to be right for the sake of being right. If you liked the ending, cool. Doesn't mean it's GOOD.

Haha and if you disliked it, cool.  Doesn't mean it's NOT good.  How are you not doing the same thing?  We both have our views and we have defenses for them.

And my point is that the "cycle" could play out in a number of different ways, i.e. cooperation for a time, maybe even for centuries or milennia, but the end result is always the same: synthetics destroy organics, rise up against their creators.  So no, it doesn't disprove it at all.  It doesnt' support it, but it isn't evidence for anything one way or another.

[wolfsite]

balmyrian wrote...

littleork wrote...

I have been reading her twitter and if you ready one of her convo, a player was pretty much saying that you were dooming everyone to their death and the ending sucked. Her answer was pretty much: *maybe you dont doom them.The end is pretty open ended and we told you to keep your saves*

When i read this, it makes me think that it will be post game dlc that we will get and possibly with shepard being alive and seeing what happened to the galaxy.Depending of the ending you choose or ur choices of course

With the intervention of space magic (which I don't really mind, biotics always were space magic to me), everything is possible. The real question I'm curious about is what ending will they be considering canon and therefore build the future DLCs/expansion on.

I thought they said all Mission based DLC would take place before the end run since it is the end Shepards Story.

[laughing sherpa girl]

Like any battlefield general would; they are simply trying to buy time to organize their response. We have been as quick and aggressive as the characters we have played for five years in regards to this situation, and i'm sure they are feeling off balanced at the moment. What we need, is some people who have a real clue about how to put into words what is really going on thats pissed us all off, and a knowledge of the game "go", to get in and verbalize it. However, regardless of anything, they know they have a world wide community that for the majority of the people is pissed off, and upset.

[Akal Ashata Alis]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Keep those endings add other endings. People get to find the ending they want for their shepard

-Exactly!-

Someone suggested three sets of endings - low readiness, mid readiness (the three we have now) , and Super High readiness (DLC/Patch?).

[Dranume]

just now on twitter

Jessica Merizan ‏ @JessicaMerizan
Hey guys! Won't discuss ME3 plot specifics until more people have had a chance to play so no one accidentally sees spoilers on my channel

some one said it before, they want a larger sample pool

Modifié par Dranume, 10 mars 2012 - 03:10 .

[Xellith]

I dont want to discuss plot specifics. I want the ending redone. Ignoring us again I see.

[Thrazesul]

Whatever they are doing they probably shouldn't delay for too long. The rage people are feeling will most likely get bigger.

[Pyromatic Tabby]

Xellith wrote...

F*** the catalyst. That never happened. I refuse to believe that crap is canon.

That Gif caused me to laugh real bloody hard, thank you for that haha

[chuckles471]

European here,never actual called myself that but their is a first for everything(Scottish). Got my game early(thank you shopto).

Agreed the endings suck and they would be a little bit better if they had an epilogue just so I know what happened to people. Even DA2 let you know what your party planned to do in the future i.e.isabela getting a boat and a new crew.

Edit: I don't think it has been released in asia.

Modifié par chuckles471, 10 mars 2012 - 03:15 .

[Dranume]

Pyromatic Tabby wrote...

Xellith wrote...

F*** the catalyst. That never happened. I refuse to believe that crap is canon.

That Gif caused me to laugh real bloody hard, thank you for that haha

HAhahaha, so awesome, I really like this movie too!

[Jenaimarre]

I don't think enough people remember that Mass Effect has always been about defying the odds and hope. The whole thing about brokering peace between the geth and the quarians exemplifies that.

[Spectre_Shepard]

Caelistas wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Watch the European market LOVE the ending. Oh gawd... I need a better resolution. They better not ruin our chances.

I'm european, i hate the endings just as much as  anybody else

hahaha holy crap that had me laughing. well said sir. 

[balmyrian]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Haha and if you disliked it, cool.  Doesn't mean it's NOT good.  How are you not doing the same thing?  We both have our views and we have defenses for them.

It's a little different. There's an argument to be made here for dissociating "I like it" and "It's good". Don't lock yourselves in conflicting monologues over defending your points.

The ending isn't bad because of the ideas presented in it. The ending is bad because of the way it's done. By ending, I mean the post-choice cinematics. it's in demo shape. It's what you'd expect from some kind of drawing board concept work following a brainstorm. It's bones without flesh or skin. I'll have to use the word again: it's conceptual. We have to think about it, ponder it, elaborate and speculate on it and ultimately translate it to get the full breadth of its implications.

That is not the Mass Effect experience at all. The Mass Effect experience so far has always been about emotion, connections and drama. And through those, you could approach whatever greater meaning or ideas there could be. That is how great fiction does it everytime and in effect the only way things get to classic status.

The big issue we have here reminds me of the Matrix Revolution when it gets to the Architect. Most people don't want to hear philosophy and lofty ideas. They want to interface with them through the means of their natural disposition. They wanna see it play out in a way they are able and willing to connect to. That is not what the actual ending here does, and it's very unfortunate.

Now I gotta precise for myself that I got all the ideas and concepts and everything the ending is about. I respect that, it's all fine to me. But the execution (not so much the Catalyst, which I think is one way as good as any) was bad because it was so short, so unempathic, so uncaring about connecting the players back to all those people and places and concept they've really come to care about.

Had the ending been denser in terms of actual content and wider in terms of actual dramatics, I'm pretty certain people would have swallowed it in, then they'd been ready to move back over the Catalyst material in a much better disposition, and the forums would be alight not with flame, hate, frustration and hurt, but discussion over the ideas and points raised by the Illusive Man & Catalyst scenes.

[Spectre_Shepard]

Xellith wrote...

F*** the catalyst. That never happened. I refuse to believe that crap is canon.

hahaha holy crap somebody do this with that scene from the end of Titanic. little old lady pissed at bioware tossing ME3 into the ocean...

[balmyrian]

wolfsite wrote...

I thought they said all Mission based DLC would take place before the end run since it is the end Shepards Story.

Isn't it a bit half past late to give any stock to what they say? hehe

[celestiatem]

Biotic Sage wrote...

celestiatem wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...
Just because Geth and Quarians have been working together for a couple of weeks doesn't mean that synthetic/organic conflict isn't inevitable.  It doesnt' even begin to disprove the Catalyst's assertion.  Just sayin.

Not sure how that isn't proving the Catalyst is wrong, even if just a bit. I'd say that's a big slap in the face of "this can work". Stop trying to be right for the sake of being right. If you liked the ending, cool. Doesn't mean it's GOOD.

Haha and if you disliked it, cool.  Doesn't mean it's NOT good.  How are you not doing the same thing?  We both have our views and we have defenses for them.

And my point is that the "cycle" could play out in a number of different ways, i.e. cooperation for a time, maybe even for centuries or milennia, but the end result is always the same: synthetics destroy organics, rise up against their creators.  So no, it doesn't disprove it at all.  It doesnt' support it, but it isn't evidence for anything one way or another.

I think you misunderstood what I meant. Saying that organics will always be destroyed by synthetics, etc. and having visible potential proof to say otherwise, the ending completely disregards that. This makes it flawed in that sense alone. There's no discussion with the Catalyst as to why this is seen as black and white.

Oddly enough an example of what I mean, Illusive Man. He's the epitome of "things are gray, not black and white", yet there's no real gray ending. It's all black or white endings. This is bad. Whether or not people enjoy them, I think we can agree upon that much at the very least. That and how the "options" don't feel like options at all.

[Rhayth]

Oh really? They want a larger pool...that's why we are in a forum titled and I quote

"Mass Effect 3 Story and Campaign Discussion (Spoilers Allowed)"

By responding to us in here...what exactly are they spoiling? Are they waiting til they can drop something in the General Discussion?

[humes spork]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Keep those endings add other endings. People get to find the ending they want for their shepard

Hell, throw in a renegade interrupt during the "Stargazer and kid" scene. A third figure walks out into the snowfield from behind a tree and says in Shepard's aged voice  "nice try, Joker. Tell the kid what really happened".

Flash back to when Harbinger's about to blast Shepard. The Normandy flies in like a bat out of hell, hitting Harbinger with its thanix cannons and giving Shepard and crew the opening they need to run into the beam. In a near-perfect parallel/bookend to ME1, they warp in front of the (Reaper converted) Citadel tower complete with all the gross ass, blood, and guts everywhere and climb it in a pitched, intense battle that even puts the push to the beam to shame. They get to the top, off TIM and blow the crap out of the Citadel with the Crucible. Joker flies in through the exploding Citadel wreckage against all imaginable odds and picks them all up in the Normandy, making him the hero of the day and establishes the whole thing as Joker trying to play down his own role in comparison to Shepard's.

Except, the Crucible's about to explode big time and the only way to get out in one piece is to go to FTL inside the battlespace. The Normandy hits a chunk of wreckage as it's going to FTL, and between that and the Crucible explosion they're thrown to god only knows where, but they pick up enough comm traffic to know (outcome depends on EMS). Still, the Normandy's dead and they have to make an emergency (read, epic crash) landing on the garden world, and with the QEC destroyed and no FTL comm buoy in range they're stuck broadcasting on radio frequencies and hoping somebody picks it up some day.

...for what it's worth. It wouldn't be hard to patch up the ending, just giving an example of how they could do it and preserve the current endings for those who want them.

[Allison_Lightning]

 I'm an Australian and my issue with the endings is that of
why I installed the ds fem Revan sacrifice mod for KOTOR because I like
different endings earned on my choices. No matter what I've done over three
games matters to three basic choices- I want a fourth option based on what I've
done, changeable by what I've done. And it shouldn't be DLC, you shouldn't have
to pay for an ending that should have been there to start with- I'd have waited
longer. It doesn't matter that the main game is awesome; it's that the culmination
of choices does not compute with the ending- Bioware has a perfect opportunity
penalize people for not playing the first two games and encouraging buying the
other two to improve Shepard's choices at the end.

 

If my choices had gotten me where I was- I wouldn't be so
frustrated with the endings.

[Rhayth]

Allison_Lightning wrote...

 I'm an Australian and my issue with the endings is that of
why I installed the ds fem Revan sacrifice mod for KOTOR because I like
different endings earned on my choices. No matter what I've done over three
games matters to three basic choices- I want a fourth option based on what I've
done, changeable by what I've done. And it shouldn't be DLC, you shouldn't have
to pay for an ending that should have been there to start with- I'd have waited
longer. It doesn't matter that the main game is awesome; it's that the culmination
of choices does not compute with the ending- Bioware has a perfect opportunity
penalize people for not playing the first two games and encouraging buying the
other two to improve Shepard's choices at the end.

 

If my choices had gotten me where I was- I wouldn't be so
frustrated with the endings.

I've been saying this for most of the week, but i'll thank anyway for sharing my very logical and fair problem with the ending.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

humes spork wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Keep those endings add other endings. People get to find the ending they want for their shepard

Hell, throw in a renegade interrupt during the "Stargazer and kid" scene. A third figure walks out into the snowfield from behind a tree and says in Shepard's aged voice  "nice try, Joker. Tell the kid what really happened".

Flash back to when Harbinger's about to blast Shepard. The Normandy flies in like a bat out of hell, hitting Harbinger with its thanix cannons and giving Shepard and crew the opening they need to run into the beam. In a near-perfect parallel/bookend to ME1, they warp in front of the (Reaper converted) Citadel tower complete with all the gross ass, blood, and guts everywhere and climb it in a pitched, intense battle that even puts the push to the beam to shame. They get to the top, off TIM and blow the crap out of the Citadel with the Crucible. Joker flies in through the exploding Citadel wreckage against all imaginable odds and picks them all up in the Normandy, making him the hero of the day and establishes the whole thing as Joker trying to play down his own role in comparison to Shepard's.

Except, the Crucible's about to explode big time and the only way to get out in one piece is to go to FTL inside the battlespace. The Normandy hits a chunk of wreckage as it's going to FTL, and between that and the Crucible explosion they're thrown to god only knows where, but they pick up enough comm traffic to know (outcome depends on EMS). Still, the Normandy's dead and they have to make an emergency (read, epic crash) landing on the garden world, and with the QEC destroyed and no FTL comm buoy in range they're stuck broadcasting on radio frequencies and hoping somebody picks it up some day.

...for what it's worth. It wouldn't be hard to patch up the ending, just giving an example of how they could do it and preserve the current endings for those who want them.

Cut, print.

[Greed1914]

LordHelfort wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

Also maybe people should take a bit more time to reflect and meditate on the ending instead of just being reactionary.

Why? This isn't an issue of comprhenesion or differing philosophies, this is a matter of broken promises and rushed delivery.

I don't see how letting it sink in will help at all.  I get the endings, I just think they were poorly done.  No amount of time is going to erase seeing Tali walk off the Normandy on some random planet even though she finally had her home planet to go to.  I don't see any amount of reflection changing how the choices I made relating to my crew members don't matter.  Yeah, the Quarians could get back to Rannoch, but Tali will probably never see it again. 


Ultimately, the saddest part is knowing that we're stuck with this.  They won't change the ending because then it would be seen as letting players have too much control over development.  Admittedly, there is something to that, but it's just so hard for me to believe that they thought we'd have a better reaction.  Really. Somebody wrote the endings and somebody approved them, and apparently this was what was considered good?

Personally, I wasn't sure what to expect, but I sure didn't want my choices not to count in the end or for my options to be equally lousy.  Normally, I'm inclined to give devs the benefit of the doubt, and I certainly expected to see plenty of complaining regardless of what we got since there was so much build up to this, but I didn't expect to feel completely let down by the ending.  Conclusions are tough, no doubt, but they aren't impossible, and they certainly could be better than this. 


I'll still keep supporting Bioware, but it's hard not to be upset by the ability of the last 10 minutes to tarnish three games like it did.

Modifié par Greed1914, 10 mars 2012 - 03:54 .

[Lexagg]

Biotic Sage wrote...

That's the beauty and anguish of life though.  Everything is finite, all choices only matter to a certain extent because everyone dies eventually.  Everyone has to let go eventually, but how you touch others' lives always matters to them and you at the time you do it.  I didn't feel as though my choices were nullified.  I made the choices I thought were right at the time I made them, and would do them all again in the same context.  I found plenty of consequences stemming from past decisions throughout the game to be satisfied with the "consequence driven" aspect of Mass Effect, and I found more than enough character interaction and emotional investment to be satisfied with the "character driven" aspect.

It's great that some people were satisfied. Thing is, most people weren't. Most people felt betrayed. The people who are satisfied will continue to support BioWare just like they always were. They people who were betrayed ... might not.

[Aslanasadi]

I'm European and I HATE the endings!