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[DXLelouch15]

wishful thinking my ass everything after being blasted to hell by Harby screamed it was all a dream/indoctrination youd have to be a total moron to think any of that was real
hell the bodies were hairless and looked like dolls for god sakes DOLLS!!!

[HKR148]

I wanna hear "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL" and its un-natural obsession to obtain Shepard's dead body like some psycho [a]-hole.

[Ahriman]

On semi-related note. I have strange feel from a lot of plot twists which ... didn't happen. Nightmares are just nightmares caused by Tragical Death of the Child; Crucible really could destroy Reapers; TIM was really indocrinated; Udina really was an idiot; Hestrom is just a rare phenomenon and Reaper tech inside Shep had only medical purpose. After many Bioware games I still cannot accept idea that everything is as it looks.

[Karrie788]

... I miss Sovereign.

[Arthorius]

I would have love to speak with him, à la Saren. Convince him that the Reapers are wrong and watch him take out waves after waves of Reapers while Shepard take a run to the Crucible/Catalyst/Plot device.

[DXLelouch15]

Shepard isnt one to have nightmares just from the death of one kid he doesnt even know
i heard whispers in those dreams
you know who else heard whipsers
Saren did

[Direwolf1618]

The lack of Harbringer's involvement is the one thing that keeps making me think is some sort of dream sequence. Or it could just be the ending truly is that awful that they forgot about him.

[HKR148]

Seriously though, as soon as Hackett says that Capital-class ship is coming at Shepard, first thing he/she says is "HARBINGER", yet only thing we see is pew-pew without any meaningful interaction. After so much that happened in ME2, and after so much foreshadowing about Harbinger at ME3, this is what the supposed-to-be-the-most-badass-reaper-of-all turns into? A minor reaper unit simply going on about its business? What. the. hell?

[Pedro Costa]

DXLelouch15 wrote...

Shepard isnt one to have nightmares just from the death of one kid he doesnt even know
i heard whispers in those dreams
you know who else heard whipsers
Saren did

Precisely, if these were initial stages of indoctrination and by chosing Control you'd become another Saren and by chosing Merge you'd become a TIM-esque husk (or something like that), while Destroy would actually be the "activate Crucible to do what it was suppose to do", the endings would not only be much more palatable (even if our prior choices still had no meaning) but would also make sense within the established lore... alas, that's too hopeful thinking for my pessimistic mindset, ESPECIALLY given the aweful, aweful epilogue.

[Kopikatsu]

HKR148 wrote...

Seriously though, as soon as Hackett says that Capital-class ship is coming at Shepard, first thing he/she says is "HARBINGER", yet only thing we see is pew-pew without any meaningful interaction. After so much that happened in ME2, and after so much foreshadowing about Harbinger at ME3, this is what the supposed-to-be-the-most-badass-reaper-of-all turns into? A minor reaper unit simply going on about its business? What. the. hell?

That's what I liked about Harbinger though. He didn't bother with pleasantries like taunting the enemy if it would weaken his position.

ME2? He sends a Collector ship to go blow the Normandy out of the sky. No fanfare, no warning...just warp in, blow them to hell, and warp out. Hell, he even managed to kill Shepard.

ME3, he just drops out of nowhere and blasts Hammer unit with no warning; Shepard only survived because s/he's the luckiest SOB ever to live.

Harbinger doesn't sit around gloating. He gets **** done.

[Korhiann]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

I think he should have been the reaper that was taken out by the thanix missiles with him talking to you the entire time

A pair of puny missiles taking out harbringer? I'm rather certain he's just a bit too big for that.

[HKR148]

Kopikatsu wrote...

HKR148 wrote...

Seriously though, as soon as Hackett says that Capital-class ship is coming at Shepard, first thing he/she says is "HARBINGER", yet only thing we see is pew-pew without any meaningful interaction. After so much that happened in ME2, and after so much foreshadowing about Harbinger at ME3, this is what the supposed-to-be-the-most-badass-reaper-of-all turns into? A minor reaper unit simply going on about its business? What. the. hell?

That's what I liked about Harbinger though. He didn't bother with pleasantries like taunting the enemy if it would weaken his position.

ME2? He sends a Collector ship to go blow the Normandy out of the sky. No fanfare, no warning...just warp in, blow them to hell, and warp out. Hell, he even managed to kill Shepard.

ME3, he just drops out of nowhere and blasts Hammer unit with no warning; Shepard only survived because s/he's the luckiest SOB ever to live.

Harbinger doesn't sit around gloating. He gets **** done.

He sure talks alot in Assumed Direction Control form though, about how much it wants the Shepard's body in ME2. I found that... really... freaky.

[Frocharocha]

Mercsenary wrote...

I thought it was implied that harbinger was the Reaper that f'd your s* up during the final run to the Beam?

I mean his eyes were yellow.

I'm 90% certain that it was him. Shepard can resist the indrocnation homever, Shepard was fried bi the Reaper laser. Also, the Reaper that blewed up your sqaud had diferent eyes and was huge.

[slimshedim]

Georilla wrote...

DarkLord_PT wrote...

But there *was* Harbinger. LOTS of Harbinger. The last ten minutes of the game was Harbinger trying to fool you into doing his bidding and not press the "Reapers lose" button while disguised as an innocend and well-intended extremist Deus ex Machina child.
/wishful thinking

Yes. If this will be true, Bioware will have made the best trilogy ever and will finish the story in style later.

Jesus F Christ, this would be BRILLIANT!

[Thunder AI]

I do wish we had more of him. And I agree that he should have been the role of the godkid. Make him teh catalyst and you have to use his dark energy to destroy the reapers. No need for a god kid, no dues ex problems. The story stays the same, reapers make the relays to control organics so machines (the reapers) can control the galaxy.

It all was so elegant in its simplicity and not stupid. Then they went and made it stupid by making it needlessly complex.

[LystAP]

Kopikatsu wrote...
Harbinger doesn't sit around gloating. He gets **** done.

On that note, it seems unlike Harbinger to just get up and leave afterwards. Given his personality and obsession with Shepherd in ME2, he should have sterilized the surrounding area just to make sure.

I do wish we had more of him. And I agree that he should have been the
role of the godkid. Make him teh catalyst and you have to use his dark
energy to destroy the reapers. No need for a god kid, no dues ex
problems. The story stays the same, reapers make the relays to control
organics so machines (the reapers) can control the galaxy.

It all was so elegant in its simplicity and not stupid. Then they went and made it stupid by making it needlessly complex.

But it wasn't simple, we knew in ME2 that Reapers were transcended flesh; bio-mechanical avatars of instrumentality. We just didn't know why, the Reapers didn't only want to control the galaxy as machines, they always had one overriding purpose. We just didn't know what that purpose was till now. I believe that if Bioware only explained it earlier and more throughly instead of all in the end, the endings wouldn't have sucked as they did.

Modifié par LystAP, 11 mars 2012 - 08:22 .

[KotorEffect3]

I blame the people that constantly complained about Harbinger in ME 2 for his reduced role in ME 3.

[sorentoft]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I blame the people that constantly complained about Harbinger in ME 2 for his reduced role in ME 3.

Yeah. Stop hating on Harby people. He just want to be your friend.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

sorentoft wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I blame the people that constantly complained about Harbinger in ME 2 for his reduced role in ME 3.

Yeah. Stop hating on Harby people. He just want to be your friend.

"Shepard. Friends don't let friends complete this game."
*PZEWWWWWWWWW*

[Pedro Costa]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...
"Shepard. Friends don't let friends complete this game."
*PZEWWWWWWWWW*

Ok, I LOL'd. Hard.

[Thunder AI]

LystAP wrote...

Kopikatsu wrote...
Harbinger doesn't sit around gloating. He gets **** done.

On that note, it seems unlike Harbinger to just get up and leave afterwards. Given his personality and obsession with Shepherd in ME2, he should have sterilized the surrounding area just to make sure.

I do wish we had more of him. And I agree that he should have been the
role of the godkid. Make him teh catalyst and you have to use his dark
energy to destroy the reapers. No need for a god kid, no dues ex
problems. The story stays the same, reapers make the relays to control
organics so machines (the reapers) can control the galaxy.

It all was so elegant in its simplicity and not stupid. Then they went and made it stupid by making it needlessly complex.

But it wasn't simple, we knew in ME2 that Reapers were transcended flesh; bio-mechanical avatars of instrumentality. We just didn't know why, the Reapers didn't only want to control the galaxy as machines, they always had one overriding purpose. We just didn't know what that purpose was till now. I believe that if Bioware only explained it earlier and more throughly instead of all in the end, the endings wouldn't have sucked as they did.

well that is easy enough to explain away. Their bound to lose a few in the fight.  They want advanced life forms, their willing to lose one or two to repopulate their species.

[sorentoft]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

sorentoft wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I blame the people that constantly complained about Harbinger in ME 2 for his reduced role in ME 3.

Yeah. Stop hating on Harby people. He just want to be your friend.

"Shepard. Friends don't let friends complete this game."
*PZEWWWWWWWWW*

See!

[taylortexas]

I agree, lack of Harbinger was disappointing. I did think it was pretty awesome when he dropped out of the sky just to specifically blast Shepard, especially after going through the entire game without any direct encounters. It was very "long time, no see". But, it would have also been pretty cool to suddenly start hearing ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL during the battle for London, leading up to Harbinger's landing at the beam.

Truthfully, I was convinced that Harbinger would be a final boss-like character in this game. I thought perhaps we would end up going inside that big squid body to see what he truly looks like in there (remember the human Reaper?) and have a chance at taking him out.

[DXLelouch15]

Harby was in the game before the final battel
he was the dream kid trolling your mind trollol

[Arthorius]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

sorentoft wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I blame the people that constantly complained about Harbinger in ME 2 for his reduced role in ME 3.

Yeah. Stop hating on Harby people. He just want to be your friend.

"Shepard. Friends don't let friends complete this game."
*PZEWWWWWWWWW*

Harbinger. Misunderstood bromance.