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[GBGriffin]

 I've looked at some similar threads, but I figured I'd ask for something more definitive from the people who have actually gotten him to shoot himself.

One theory is that it's war assets related. I entered the mission with....3695 maybe? 

Another is full Paragon bar. It looked full to me, but it might have been bugged (maybe?)

Finally, talking to him 3 times and choosing the paragon option all 3 times.

My question would be: What are the specific instances where you can choose a Paragon/Charm option with him? Did the people who got him to kill himself do this?

I'm about to do my second playthrough, but I'd appreciate a list or something of the specific times you can use a charm option so I don't accidentally miss it. Also, nput from anyone who was able to do this without talking to him each time would be interesting to hear.

Thank you.

[TheLostGenius]

I got him to kill himself on the first try. Think it has to do with how high your reputation meter is. I chose Paragon-persuade option on each branch.

[GBGriffin]

TheLostGenius wrote...

I got him to kill himself on the first try. Think it has to do with how high your reputation meter is. I chose Paragon-persuade option on each branch.

I think I must have missed a branch. That's really the only thing I can think of because my bar was maxed.

Mars, Thessia, and Cerberus base all have a charm option, correct?

[Laughing.Man.d8D]

Every time I talked with TIM I throughout the game I went Paragon, same thing I did with Saren, got the same result. =p

[Inousha]

cannot choose last paragon/renegade options in conversation :/ my reputation bar is full co anyone advice ?

[Ifandbut01]

Ya, my bar was maxed and I did not get the final option. I got the 5000 war assets achievement when I went to the Cerberus base so unless my galactic readiness ticked down as I was going through the missions I dont understand why my options were grayed out.

[SgtYaeger]

Ifandbut01 wrote...

Ya, my bar was maxed and I did not get the final option. I got the 5000 war assets achievement when I went to the Cerberus base so unless my galactic readiness ticked down as I was going through the missions I dont understand why my options were grayed out.

Samething happened to me.
Selected every Paragon option, went to cerberus base with over 7000 warassets but the last option in the dialogue was grayed out, so i needed to kill him myself. ( though, it would have been better if I stopped playing the game after being shot by TIM ..... )

[tazz13ftw]

has anyone figured this out? i had EMS of over 5000 and as best i can tell a full reputation bar. i don't specifically recall my prior conversation with him ,but based on the way i play the game i always pick the paragon option

yet i did not have the option to convince him to kill himself. i had to shoot him

[Drummernate]

Do you HAVE to chose the left options to get to the paragon choices with him?...

Because I chose the top right on the first conversation and there was a side option as well. (Not blue)

[Enkidu98]

I had the same issue. Last option greyed out and I believe I had a full bar. Hard to tell because they don't give you numbers.

[Yourmajesty4]

Certain moments in the game when you actually do come in contact with the IM, you sometimes have to choose some regular left side options to open up the persuade and intimidate options on the right side of the dialouge wheel. Otherwise you just choose a paragon or renegade dialouge. If i recall Correctly During your first interaction with him on Mars this happens. If you dont select the left side option you never get the chance to persuade or intimidate him. 

[Edit]  So im guessing if the idea that you have to choose all Persuade options with him throughout the game during the conversations you have with him, You guys may just need to be using the (investigate) Left side option more. Could be wrong tho, Not entirely sure on that one.

Modifié par Yourmajesty4, 18 mars 2012 - 09:06 .

[JasmoVT]

Inousha wrote...

cannot choose last paragon/renegade options in conversation :/ my reputation bar is full co anyone advice ?

Have to consistently use paragon or renegade in every interaction with him. If you switched in any conversation in ME3 you will not get the final paragon/renegade option. You should however still get the opportunity to use the renegade interupt. First time through I got him to shoot himself. Second time through used the renegade interupt. Does not seem to impact the rest of the ending. Dead is dead.

[Jarradane]

I used paragon every time.
Perhaps it had something to do with the way you treated him in ME2?
I made no attempt to hide my disgust, as I had completed ME1 super playthroughs and had encountered most of Cerberus' sickening actions days before ME2.

Besides that, I'm reasonably sure I used all of the paragon options for him in ME3, and I had an ems of like 3650 (no multiplayer played).
Maybe you missed a mission, or something minor changed things during something like the Jacob mission or the Cerberus citadel attack?

I played all of the dlc, like overlord and saved those people if it helps.

[izmirtheastarach]

As others have said, you have to use the same charm option every time you talk to him in the game. There is always on option. For the first conversation on Mars, you you do not use the investigate option, you can miss the charm option.

But as long as you charm him every time, and max out your rep bar, you can get him to shoot himself. It's pretty straightforward.

[artikulieren]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

As others have said, you have to use the same charm option every time you talk to him in the game. There is always on option. For the first conversation on Mars, you you do not use the investigate option, you can miss the charm option.

But as long as you charm him every time, and max out your rep bar, you can get him to shoot himself. It's pretty straightforward.

This. My first playthrough I got him to shoot himself, second playthrough I missed the Mars conversation by accident because I forgot that I had to pick the "You're wasting time!" option so I had to shoot him myself.

[izmirtheastarach]

Right. I think that's the one that can most easily be missed, since the charm option doesn't show up unless you investigate further.

[freefaller21x]

Just an FYI for everyone regarding the TIM last conversation; regarding what happened to me. I investigated further everytime I talked to him and then chose the renegade option (of the two available to me)...

then when the final confrontation arose, I lengthened the conversation out as long as possible choosing charm at every step and he shot himself.

So I don't think it's limited to being pure paragon towards him throughout the entire game. At least based on what happen for me. PS. I had 7325 war assets (100% readiness walking into it).

All in one playthrough on the first playthrough. Imported. Like 90% Paragon. 10% Renegade.

Modifié par freefaller21x, 18 mars 2012 - 09:55 .

[Relshar]

To get the TIM to shoot himself you need to use the paragon or renagade option on Mars. So investigate all the choices there.

I got him to shoot himself in the end with a full reputation bar and some renagade segments but 90% of it I would say was Paragon.

[izmirtheastarach]

freefaller21x wrote...

Just an FYI for everyone regarding the TIM last conversation; regarding what happened to me. I investigated further everytime I talked to him and then chose the renegade option (of the two available to me)...

then when the final confrontation arose, I lengthened the conversation out as long as possible choosing charm at every step and he shot himself. 

So I don't think it's limited to being pure paragon towards him throughout the entire game. At least based on what happen for me. PS. I had 7325 war assets (100% readiness walking into it).

All in one playthrough on the first playthrough. Imported. Like 90% Paragon. 10% Renegade.

 

 It's not that is has to be pure Paragon (did someone suggest it was? maybe I missed that), it's that you have to charm him each time you speak to him.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 18 mars 2012 - 10:18 .

[mycroft77]

As stated previously, you probably missed a choice on Mars. In the conversation you have with him you have to choose the left option that says "You're wasting time" which leads to a paragon / renegade charm option. It's very easy to skip over that by choosing what would otherwise be a "paragon/renegade" conversation choice.

[freefaller21x]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

freefaller21x wrote...

Just an FYI for everyone regarding the TIM last conversation; regarding what happened to me. I investigated further everytime I talked to him and then chose the renegade option (of the two available to me)...

then when the final confrontation arose, I lengthened the conversation out as long as possible choosing charm at every step and he shot himself. 

So I don't think it's limited to being pure paragon towards him throughout the entire game. At least based on what happen for me. PS. I had 7325 war assets (100% readiness walking into it).

All in one playthrough on the first playthrough. Imported. Like 90% Paragon. 10% Renegade.

 

 It's not that is has to be pure Paragon (did someone suggest it was? maybe I missed that), it's that you have to charm him each time you speak to him.

I think I misunderstood. When I was reading, I mistook Charm for Blue/Paragon... (dates back to ME1 skill building I think, Charm is Blue and Intimidate is Red) That's why I thought people were saying you have to pick Paragon (Charm) to get Paragon (Charm) ending. Not that Charm is generic for any reputation related dialogue.

Modifié par freefaller21x, 18 mars 2012 - 11:14 .

[GhoXen]

First you need a full reputation bar, and you will also need to select the same blue/red option every time.

On my first try I had full rep, selected blue option every time, and Illusive Man killed himself.

On my second try I had the same amount of paragon points, but I decided to select normal options instead. While the first three blue options were still available to me, the final blue option was grayed out this time around.

[izmirtheastarach]

freefaller21x wrote...

I think I misunderstood. When I was reading, I mistook Charm for Blue/Paragon... (dates back to ME1 skill building I think, Charm is Blue and Intimidate is Red) That's why I thought people were saying you have to pick Paragon (Charm) to get Paragon (Charm) ending. Not that Charm is generic for any reputation related dialogue.

Gotcha. Well, obviously I cannot speak for others, but that's why I meant. Persuade is a better term, maybe? Either way, the above post makes it about as clear as I have seen it.