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Every one of us can aknowledge that Jacob Taylor is the least popular squadmate in ME2(except Morinth). Heck, his own fanbase admits it, and is even proud of it. But this is no excuse for the poor handling of Jacob Taylor's romance in ME3.

For those of you who do not know, a romanced Jacob ends up cheating on Shepard during the six months she is in Alliance custody, with a woman that he later says is pregnant, and he intends to make a life with. This is what the November leaks indicated, and I didn't believe them. I couldn't fathom how Bioware would treat an entire fanbase, along with a character with a lot of potential, like trash. But I've now played thorugh the parts with Jacob in ME3, and it's all true. Every word of it.

Jacob Taylor was presented as a good, stable man in ME2. His romance was unique in a lot of different ways, including the fact that he offered Shepard the chance to vent(a trait only shared with Liara in ME2), and the fact that he was the only one of them to say, point blank, that he loved Shepard. These were things that were worth following up on, but Bioware decided not to. Why, I can't fathom. I see no good reason to treat the people who romanced Jacob this way.

There isn't a silver lining to be found in it, this is simply a horrible way to treat a character and a fanbase. And there were no warning signs of this kind of thing happening. With Thane's romance, people knew they were getting a dying LI. With the VS, people knew there were going to be trust issues heading into ME3. With Jacob, people headed into ME3 expecting the man who was source of stability and calm and who loved Shepard. Not a man who hooks up with another woman after being unable to hook up with Shepard for a few months.


It would not have been a difficult thing to give him an ending akin to Jack or Miranda's romances. Something that fit what the romance was from the start(flirty, based on sexual chemistry, but also with an innate understanding of one another). Jacob as a character was worth that amount of effort. Jacob's fans were worth that amount of effort. And the fact that they weren't given that disappoints me more than any of the endings ever could.

We need to let Bioware know this kind of character treatment is unaccceptable. Maybe if we get enough people, they might go back and make some changes. Not likely, but possible.

If you want to add your voice to change this assassination of a character, just join this group here: http://social.bioware.com/group/7040/

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 10 mars 2012 - 02:32 .

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I really have to wonder why they did this.
Did they just want female Shepards to go to Kaidan/Garrus instead, or even the F/F options?

[k3ttch]

And it was just some random woman. Why couldn't he have cheated on her with Kasumi?

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HJF4 wrote...

I really have to wonder why they did this.
Did they just want female Shepards to go to Kaidan/Garrus instead, or even the F/F options?

Best I've got is that they wanted to show that some relationships just don't work out. But they sure as hell could have done a better job at that. And it's pretty poor reasoning anyway.

[PrinceLionheart]

Honestly, I think the only reason they did this was because it was Jacob. Sad truth is, Bioware wouldn't have pulled this #*$@ with Garrus or Tali's character.

[Kitten Tactics]

Wow, they seriously just have him brush you aside no matter what? I accidentally romanced him to a point in 2 (not the actual cutscene), and when I turned him down he was all pissed and angry. In 3 he just decides it's no big deal and knocks up some chick? It's only been six months!

Glad I stuck with Liara. Sorry Jacob fans

[Femmefatality07]

Can someone tell me what "VS" stands for? I'm sorry.

[silentfall]

Seems to me that Jacob had such a sparse backstory in the first place, they needed to find a way to keep him off the Normandy. Miranda had her sister, Jack had her students, Thane had his disease...but the most logical place to put Jacob would be back on the ship, which they clearly didn't want to do. So they had to establish an anchor somehow, and apparently they decided on the laziest way to do it: make him a family man.

[shepskisaac]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

 Sad truth is, Bioware wouldn't have pulled this #*$@ with Garrus or Tali's character.

1000000% true. I don't romance Jacob (since I play mShep), but I still hate what they did with his romance

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silentfall wrote...

Seems to me that Jacob had such a sparse backstory in the first place, they needed to find a way to keep him off the Normandy. Miranda had her sister, Jack had her students, Thane had his disease...but the most logical place to put Jacob would be back on the ship, which they clearly didn't want to do. So they had to establish an anchor somehow, and apparently they decided on the laziest way to do it: make him a family man.

Jacob actually says that he wants to protect the Cerberus scientists. They could have just gone with that.

[Lucy Glitter]

1. It's completely out of character
2. It's stereotyping him to the max

Just terrible. Most ME2 romances were handled horribly. 

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Femmefatality07 wrote...

Can someone tell me what "VS" stands for? I'm sorry.

Virmire Survivor. Kaidan or Ash, depending.

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CastonFolarus wrote...

Femmefatality07 wrote...

Can someone tell me what "VS" stands for? I'm sorry.

Virmire Survivor. Kaidan or Ash, depending.

Thank you. I didn't even realize how Jacob's act was "stereotyping" This coming from a black female who's pretty much opposite of what people consider "Black American Stereotypes".  That or I just have a very open mind and don't really believe in stereotypes...

...Now where's my purple drank?

[Levvi]

...Really? I thought this only happened if you didn't romance him. Ooh, that's rough. All of the ME2 LI's got the shaft though, aside from Garrus. It's a bit maddening.

[Militarized]

To be fair, at least he's upfront about it and you can move onto someone else. Thane and Jack it's like... it's there but there's no conclusion/closure, which is almost worse IMO.

Maybe that's my bias talking.

[Maera Imrov]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

1. It's completely out of character
2. It's stereotyping him to the max

Just terrible. Most ME2 romances were handled horribly. 

This.

I liked Jacob. I couldn't ever romance him because I just didn't find him my Shep's type, but Jacob was a good man. When he tells me up front he's Cerberus, this is a Cerberus base, this is what's going on, he got major respect points from me. Nothing he ever did in 2 did anything to change my opinion of him in that regard.

So when I heard what happened to his romance, all I could do was facepalm. It does skirt rather close to stereotyping, and it is 100% not Jacob. But hey, character and plot butchery seem to the be name of the game of ME3.

So from a Thanemancer to you Jacobmancers, you have my sympathy. I might not have had my Shep sleep with Jacob, but she respected him, and them doing this to him angers me, too. One of many things.

[Levvi]

Militarized wrote...

To be fair, at least he's upfront about it and you can move onto someone else. Thane and Jack it's like... it's there but there's no conclusion/closure, which is almost worse IMO.

Maybe that's my bias talking.

What happens with Jack? I romaned Thane ^^

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Militarized wrote...

To be fair, at least he's upfront about it and you can move onto someone else. Thane and Jack it's like... it's there but there's no conclusion/closure, which is almost worse IMO.

Maybe that's my bias talking.

Upfront would be telling Shepard ahead of time, not waiting until she shows up and finds him.

[outmane]

Wow, thanks for the heads up. I thought he only did this if unromanced.

It seems you have to be quite crazy to love Commander Shepard, fallow her into all the crazyness the MEverse has in store for her, and support her everry step of the way. And Jacob Taylor just isnt that kind of crazy.

He's gonna be living happy with his wife and kid. And Shep is gonna be dead.... well here's to stability and level-headness. He's certainly been true to himself.

Modifié par outmane, 10 mars 2012 - 03:34 .

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Levvi wrote...

...Really? I thought this only happened if you didn't romance him. Ooh, that's rough. All of the ME2 LI's got the shaft though, aside from Garrus. It's a bit maddening.

Yeah, I thought the same thing. Analyzed the dialogue and everything. But I was wrong.

And to to be honest, I don't think Jack, Miranda or Thane get the shaft to the degree that Jacob does. I think Bioware does justice to them as characters, and honors their roamnces admirably. They could have had a little more dialogue with all of them, certainly. But hey, they aren't squamdates, so there's only so much they can put in.

But Miranda gets vengeance on her father and a nice apology/fade-to-black scene, Jack gets her biotic kids to be protective of, along with the paragon-interupt kiss. And Thane, his death put aside, gets the most AWSOME fight scene in the game with Kai Leng(Well OK, maaaybe Grunt's Rachni fight is better. Maybe.). And his death scene is damn touching, romance or no.

But Jacob gets this? Bull****.

[Levvi]

CastonFolarus wrote...

Levvi wrote...

...Really? I thought this only happened if you didn't romance him. Ooh, that's rough. All of the ME2 LI's got the shaft though, aside from Garrus. It's a bit maddening.

Yeah, I thought the same thing. Analyzed the dialogue and everything. But I was wrong.

And to to be honest, I don't think Jack, Miranda or Thane get the shaft to the degree that Jacob does. I think Bioware does justice to them as characters, and honors their roamnces admirably. They could have had a little more dialogue with all of them, certainly. But hey, they aren't squamdates, so there's only so much they can put in.

But Miranda gets vengeance on her father and a nice apology/fade-to-black scene, Jack gets her biotic kids to be protective of, along with the paragon-interupt kiss. And Thane, his death put aside, gets the most AWSOME fight scene in the game with Kai Leng(Well OK, maaaybe Grunt's Rachni fight is better. Maybe.). And his death scene is damn touching, romance or no.

But Jacob gets this? Bull****.

The Thane romance sucked. His death scenes were good, but that doesn't make his romance good. I do agree that Jacob had it the worse, though.

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Levvi wrote...
The Thane romance sucked. His death scenes were good, but that doesn't make his romance good. I do agree that Jacob had it the worse, though.

Guess we'll have to disagree on the first part. At least we agree on the second, though. Ahh.....why can't people in politics disagree this cordially?

[Levvi]

CastonFolarus wrote...

Levvi wrote...
The Thane romance sucked. His death scenes were good, but that doesn't make his romance good. I do agree that Jacob had it the worse, though.

Guess we'll have to disagree on the first part. At least we agree on the second, though. Ahh.....why can't people in politics disagree this cordially?

The lack of attention to the ME2 romances and the clear favoritism for the ME1 LI's makes me wonder why they bothered giving us a new ones in ME2 in the first place xD 

[KMYash]

You know I think an easy thing would have been in the non LI playthroughs keeps things the same. In imported playthroughs where Jacob was the LI has the scientist (I forget her name) make a comment about how lucky Shep is to have someone like Jacob (implying that she's a bit jealous) and just have Jacob tell Shep he made a commitment to the people and that he'll be back for her when the war was over.

That right there isn't hard and I don't think it would offend the Jacob fandom at all. I never romanced Jacob but that's just mean of Bioware to do.