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I get where you guys are coming from. I think instead of fighting for just Jacob romance we should fight for all the characters in mass effect 3 who didn't get the same treatment that Liara recieved. I think that this is an outrage, and anyone who romanced a ME2 character didn't get any type closer really. Some where more fortunate than others like garrus and tali, but it still seems unfair that the blue chick and the VS got the majority of the attention. Bioware you suck. And for this you can eat my dirty shorts!!!

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Talk about character assassination.

I always saw Jacob as loyal.

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k3ttch wrote...

And it was just some random woman. Why couldn't he have cheated on her with Kasumi?

Even Kasumi says she would join Shep if Jacob was on board. 

I get that he cheated on Shep, but is expecting?  Damn.  I have a Shep that dumped Kaidan for Jacob and now I don't know how to play it out.  She didn't like how Kaidan reacted on Horizon and moved on.  I guess now, she is moving on again.  


razgriz21 wrote...

Talk about character assassination.

I always saw Jacob as loyal.


In a way, Shepard cheated on Kaidan/Liara with Jacob.  So I suppose turn around is fair game.

Modifié par ladyvader, 10 mars 2012 - 04:44 .


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I'm talking about my fem Shepard (who is on deck after my male play-through).

No worries. Just find someone else.

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ladyvader wrote...

In a way, Shepard cheated on Kaidan/Liara with Jacob.  So I suppose turn around is fair game.


Not all Shepards did so.

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Just watched the entire thing on youtube.

If that's not lazy writing, I don't know what is.

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I just got to it.

Geez, Bioware. I know I say I don't really care for the romances that much. But you and I both know that you are capable of writing better than this. Seriously, the game barely acknowledges I was in a romance. He has at most three lines on his mission relating to it (and he comes off as a smarmy ****.) He doesn't even acknowledge the relationship on the Citadel.

Then again, you can't even put any effort into your damn endings either.

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ladyvader wrote...

k3ttch wrote...

And it was just some random woman. Why couldn't he have cheated on her with Kasumi?

Even Kasumi says she would join Shep if Jacob was on board. 

I get that he cheated on Shep, but is expecting?  Damn.  I have a Shep that dumped Kaidan for Jacob and now I don't know how to play it out.  She didn't like how Kaidan reacted on Horizon and moved on.  I guess now, she is moving on again.  


razgriz21 wrote...

Talk about character assassination.

I always saw Jacob as loyal.


In a way, Shepard cheated on Kaidan/Liara with Jacob.  So I suppose turn around is fair game.


Poor FemShepard. She obviously doesn't seem to to get the same quality of romances that her male counterpart does. Kaidan claims to have moved on and started dating someone else when you meet him on Horizon. Thane is still kind of hung up on his dead wife ( that perfect memory thing is a bit freaky, makes you wonder how often he is thinking of his wife when he is with Shepard ). Now we learn that Jacob has moved on as well and knocked up some random chick. 

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To be fair, at least he's upfront about it and you can move onto someone else. Thane and Jack it's like... it's there but there's no conclusion/closure, which is almost worse IMO.

Maybe that's my bias talking. :)

What happens with Jack? I romaned Thane ^^


You have a good introduction scene with good interaction at Grissom Academy... and then she disappears. Poof. Then you get en e-mail to meet her at the Citadel.. where instead of being all happy to see him because.. you know.. he helped drag her up from the abyss of isolation and abuse to show people really care she nonchalantly is all "So... you still wanna do this?" After all the effort in ME2.. of course. Say yes, then she says ok no strings attached. Admittedly there is a good line of "You make the worst mistakes.." before kissing him but people who do not romance her get pretty much the same scene without the kiss. 

Then she disappears for the rest of the game until the 8 second holovid at the very end. No cabin scene, no private scenes... nothing, no closure or culmination. 

Is there any me2 character that gets sex scene or any closure?

Any way pretty much no point in staying with you me2 romance if you romance any on in me3 squad you get far better closure.

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Miranda does. According to some Miranda fans I've conversed with.

It sounds like Miranda is the only ME2 romance that gives you the paramour achievement too (not counting Garrus and Tali)

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Raizo wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

k3ttch wrote...

And it was just some random woman. Why couldn't he have cheated on her with Kasumi?

Even Kasumi says she would join Shep if Jacob was on board. 

I get that he cheated on Shep, but is expecting?  Damn.  I have a Shep that dumped Kaidan for Jacob and now I don't know how to play it out.  She didn't like how Kaidan reacted on Horizon and moved on.  I guess now, she is moving on again.  


razgriz21 wrote...

Talk about character assassination.

I always saw Jacob as loyal.


In a way, Shepard cheated on Kaidan/Liara with Jacob.  So I suppose turn around is fair game.


Poor FemShepard. She obviously doesn't seem to to get the same quality of romances that her male counterpart does. Kaidan claims to have moved on and started dating someone else when you meet him on Horizon. Thane is still kind of hung up on his dead wife ( that perfect memory thing is a bit freaky, makes you wonder how often he is thinking of his wife when he is with Shepard ). Now we learn that Jacob has moved on as well and knocked up some random chick. 

Garrus is pretty good romance for the ladies... Prob only good one thats male...

Also there f/f liara and also samantha she seemed like good romance i was male shep on my first playthrough but i might actually romance her if i do fem shep.

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Sparatus wrote...

Miranda does. According to some Miranda fans I've conversed with.

It sounds like Miranda is the only ME2 romance that gives you the paramour achievement too (not counting Garrus and Tali)



I think you can rekindle it with Jack as well, on Purgatory. Thanemancers and Jacobshippers got the boot. 

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xnoxiousx wrote...

Raizo wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

k3ttch wrote...

And it was just some random woman. Why couldn't he have cheated on her with Kasumi?

Even Kasumi says she would join Shep if Jacob was on board. 

I get that he cheated on Shep, but is expecting?  Damn.  I have a Shep that dumped Kaidan for Jacob and now I don't know how to play it out.  She didn't like how Kaidan reacted on Horizon and moved on.  I guess now, she is moving on again.  


razgriz21 wrote...

Talk about character assassination.

I always saw Jacob as loyal.


In a way, Shepard cheated on Kaidan/Liara with Jacob.  So I suppose turn around is fair game.


Poor FemShepard. She obviously doesn't seem to to get the same quality of romances that her male counterpart does. Kaidan claims to have moved on and started dating someone else when you meet him on Horizon. Thane is still kind of hung up on his dead wife ( that perfect memory thing is a bit freaky, makes you wonder how often he is thinking of his wife when he is with Shepard ). Now we learn that Jacob has moved on as well and knocked up some random chick. 

Garrus is pretty good romance for the ladies... Prob only good one thats male...


He's male but he's not human. If the ladies prefer human features they're screwed. Poor femshep.

Modifié par CC-Tron, 10 mars 2012 - 08:31 .


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Valentia X wrote...

I think you can rekindle it with Jack as well, on Purgatory. Thanemancers and Jacobshippers got the boot. 


Jack's scenes are some of the best of ME3, IMO. Very well-done, very sweet. She's changed a bit from knowing Shepard(romance or no), but she's also got the same edge that made her character awsome in ME2. Miranda's scenes also do her justice, and her final holocall before the last fight holds a measure of hope.

And Thane at least got an AWSOME fight scene with Kai Leng and a very touching death scene, IMO. More romance dialogue is certainly called for, but there is at least a silver lining with Thane in ME3.

With Jacob,  he dumps you without ANY consideration for the romance back in ME2, and pretends like it never happened.

Yeah, Femshep gets screwed(metaphorically, of course) in ME3. She gets Kaidan(If alive), Liara/Traynor/Kelly(If she's into girls) or Garrus(If alive, romanced and the alien bit is OK with her). No James, dead Thane and the turd sandwich that is Jacob's ME3 romance.

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 10 mars 2012 - 08:50 .


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CastonFolarus wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

I think you can rekindle it with Jack as well, on Purgatory. Thanemancers and Jacobshippers got the boot. 


Jack's scenes are some of the best of ME3, IMO. Very well-done, very sweet. She's changed a bit from knowing Shepard(romance or no), but she's also got the same edge that made her character awsome in ME2. Miranda's scenes also do her justice, and her final holocall before the last fight holds a measure of hope.

And Thane at least got an AWSOME fight scene with Kai Leng and a very touching death scene, IMO. More romance dialogue is certainly called for, but there is at least a silver lining with Thane in ME3.

With Jacob,  he dumps you without ANY consideration for the romance back in ME2, and pretends like it never happened.

Yeah, Femshep gets screwed(metaphorically, of course) in ME3. She gets Kaidan(If alive), Liara/Traynor/Kelly(If she's into girls) or Garrus(If alive, romanced and the alien bit is OK with her). No James, dead Thane and the turd sandwich that is Jacob's ME3 romance.


Yeah, most Thanemancers are pissed off about the severe lack of romantic dialogue- I was thrilled when he went toe to toe with Kai Lang, and he got the death and redemption he was searching for. It's just that the writing, romance wise, sucked. And then it's like he's a ghost. No letter from Kolyat, no going down to see Cortez to mourn loves lost in the fight against the Reapers.


My Shepard has moved into 'Forever Alone' territory, seeing as how I kicked Kaidan off the ship at my first opportunity, and I can't romance Tali or Vega. They kind of dropped the ball...

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We can argue about who got it worst but it won't solve anything. When it comes down to it, Jacob, Thane, Miranda and Jack romances were awful. Each fan base has their reasons of why that it is. I feel it doesn't matter if you agree with it or not because it really comes down to how each person felt when the romance went horribly wrong.

I romanced Thane in ME2 and I walked away from the current game sick and depressed. No game should do that to me. But that was my own experience with it and yes I have redeemed it a crap end to my romance. But I realize that not everyone will agree me, nor do I care if they do or don't. All I know, it made me sick.

As far as Jacob is concerned, it shouldn't have ended like that. It's quite obvious they did not care about their fans regarding him or any of the other ME2 romances.

This goes for the same with Talimancers, 5 years of waiting to reveal her face... and they get some crap stock photo. I'm personally an artist, I would have gladly made Bioware a decent concept art of Tali... and for free too.

They are going to have to redeem themselves and soon. These romance failures are unique because they actually hurt.

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PrinceLionheart wrote...

Just watched the entire thing on youtube.

If that's not lazy writing, I don't know what is.


He's a bastard.

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CastonFolarus wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

I think you can rekindle it with Jack as well, on Purgatory. Thanemancers and Jacobshippers got the boot. 


Jack's scenes are some of the best of ME3, IMO. Very well-done, very sweet. She's changed a bit from knowing Shepard(romance or no), but she's also got the same edge that made her character awsome in ME2. Miranda's scenes also do her justice, and her final holocall before the last fight holds a measure of hope.

And Thane at least got an AWSOME fight scene with Kai Leng and a very touching death scene, IMO. More romance dialogue is certainly called for, but there is at least a silver lining with Thane in ME3.

With Jacob,  he dumps you without ANY consideration for the romance back in ME2, and pretends like it never happened.

Yeah, Femshep gets screwed(metaphorically, of course) in ME3. She gets Kaidan(If alive), Liara/Traynor/Kelly(If she's into girls) or Garrus(If alive, romanced and the alien bit is OK with her). No James, dead Thane and the turd sandwich that is Jacob's ME3 romance.


Eh... sorry I'm a huge Jack fan so I really wanted to see more of her. Over in the Jack thread we've all pretty much agreed, her introduction is AWESOME and perfectly in character, the shuttle ride is also awesome. 

Then it... dies. Whether you romance her or not, you get the same bar/dance scene with her except she asks if you want to continue it.... of course I do dumb ass. Then you never see her again. *facepalm* 

Squeegee83 wrote...

This goes for the same with Talimancers, 5 years of waiting to reveal her face... and they get some crap stock photo. I'm personally an artist, I would have gladly made Bioware a decent concept art of Tali... and for free too.

They are going to have to redeem themselves and soon. These romance failures are unique because they actually hurt.


The worst part... there IS concept are for Quarian faces without the helmets. 

http://i41.tinypic.com/2v96us6.jpg 

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We can argue about who got it worst but it won't solve anything. When it comes down to it, Jacob, Thane, Miranda and Jack romances were awful. Each fan base has their reasons of why that it is. I feel it doesn't matter if you agree with it or not because it really comes down to how each person felt when the romance went horribly wrong.

I romanced Thane in ME2 and I walked away from the current game sick and depressed. No game should do that to me. But that was my own experience with it and yes I have redeemed it a crap end to my romance. But I realize that not everyone will agree me, nor do I care if they do or don't. All I know, it made me sick.

As far as Jacob is concerned, it shouldn't have ended like that. It's quite obvious they did not care about their fans regarding him or any of the other ME2 romances.

This goes for the same with Talimancers, 5 years of waiting to reveal her face... and they get some crap stock photo. I'm personally an artist, I would have gladly made Bioware a decent concept art of Tali... and for free too.

They are going to have to redeem themselves and soon. These romance failures are unique because they actually hurt.


I suppose it's best not to get into a contest over which LI got screwed over more. I don't think Thane, Jack or Miranda got screwed over. And I sure don't think Garrus and Tali fans have a lot to complain about in comparison. But you're right, if it ends up making a lot of fans feel hurt(as appears to be the case with Jack and Thane, as well as Jacob), something was done wrong.

With Jacob's ME3 romance, I just can't find one thing they did RIGHT.

danteliveson wrote...

He's a bastard.


Once upon a time, in a game called ME2, he wasn't. It seems so long ago, now....

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I will concede that Jacob got the worst treatment of us all... however, we should band together with a big middle finger for Bioware. ;)

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Militarized wrote...

I will concede that Jacob got the worst treatment of us all... however, we should band together with a big middle finger for Bioware. ;)


*salute*

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Jacob has doomed the galaxy in my game with his affair and now commitment to Brynne Cole.

If you skip the mission you meet him on then you'll never have to know.

I get that he cheated on Shep, but is expecting? Damn.

I think he's an idiot for that. I know he says it's not planned but when the Reapers are coming to kill you all is NOT the time to start a family!

Kaidan claims to have moved on and started dating someone else when you meet him on Horizon.

He actually said that his friends convinced him to go for drinks with a doctor and it was nothing serious. I didn't get the vibe he'd moved on at all, just that he was trying to back when you were dead and I can't blame him for that.

In a way, Shepard cheated on Kaidan/Liara with Jacob. So I suppose turn around is fair game.

On the other hand, I think that once you've been dead for two years the relationship is kind of over so it's not really cheating but if you do move on you can't expect to restart things with the first LI.

I didn't romance Jacob but I was pissed at the reunion nonetheless. He explained that he was staying with the scientists and liked Dr. Cole because he wanted stability and f amily. My Shepard said that she got that and then Jacob flat-out told her that she was wrong. Apparently she's going to die alone because her real love is the Normandy.

I don't remember him being such an **** in the second game even if the fact that my Shepard wouldn't stop flirting with him every time I clicked on him drove me crazy (but hey, that's not his fault).

That scene upset me so much I had to stop and write a 4K fanfic to deal with it. Yeah, Jacob's character is really ruined with this game. And I wish I could have questioned his decision to start a family in the middle of a Reaper genocide when Dr. Cole is apparently insanely important as well. I know it would be Renegade but I still wanted to say it!

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I didn't begrudge or really question Jacob's baby/family thing, as people don't get celibate in the middle of a war (quite the opposite I think in some cases XD).

The whole Normandy comment didn't really strike me until you pointed it out, though. My Shepard does love the Normandy and it's her home, and her friend since EDI 'is' the Normandy, but her 'love' belongs to the people who stuck with her through the bitter end. And in hindsight, it does seem kind of harsh. And at least my LI died on me, rather than chill on a beach and then knock up some other lady.

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Valentia X wrote...

I didn't begrudge or really question Jacob's baby/family thing, as people don't get celibate in the middle of a war (quite the opposite I think in some cases XD).

The whole Normandy comment didn't really strike me until you pointed it out, though. My Shepard does love the Normandy and it's her home, and her friend since EDI 'is' the Normandy, but her 'love' belongs to the people who stuck with her through the bitter end. And in hindsight, it does seem kind of harsh. And at least my LI died on me, rather than chill on a beach and then knock up some other lady.


The fact that this sentence even exists is more than enough to show that the Jacob and Thane romances have been screwed up.

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I didn't begrudge or really question Jacob's baby/family thing, as people don't get celibate in the middle of a war (quite the opposite I think in some cases XD).

I didn't expect him to be celibate. I just can't believe that, given how bad things are, they didn't think to use protection. She's a brilliant scientist and it didn't cross her mind?