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[coldwetn0se]

The funny thing about the Jacob romance wasn't that his dialogue was bad (didn't really have a problem with "the prize" line....sorta cheezy, but not terrible). No, no, my problem was in the lines and delivery of
f!Shep's lines TO Jacob....Yeesh.

Hugs to all Jacobmancers. Ya got robbed! A good man who didn't deserve this treatment.

[lyssalu]

coldwetn0se wrote...

The funny thing about the Jacob romance wasn't that his dialogue was bad (didn't really have a problem with "the prize" line....sorta cheezy, but not terrible). No, no, my problem was in the lines and delivery of
f!Shep's lines TO Jacob....Yeesh.

Hugs to all Jacobmancers. Ya got robbed! A good man who didn't deserve this treatment.

yeah, my jaw dropped

those lines were absolutely terrible

i won't be importing the shep i romanced jacob with :/

[shadey]

well shepard can dump anyone he wants .

you can romance someone in me1, dump them for someone else in me2, then dump them for someone else in me3

it would make sense at least 1 of sheps. squad mates/LI isn't just sitting around waiting for him to call but moved on to other relationships.

just happened to fall on jacob since he's the least liked character.

[CheeseEnchilada]

shadey wrote...

well shepard can dump anyone he wants .

you can romance someone in me1, dump them for someone else in me2, then dump them for someone else in me3

it would make sense at least 1 of sheps. squad mates/LI isn't just sitting around waiting for him to call but moved on to other relationships.

just happened to fall on jacob since he's the least liked character.

And just how is that fair? Just because there are fewer Jacob fans doesn't mean that they deserve this. This wasn't even a dignified way to do it. 

I keep seeing this argument everywhere, that someone should dump Shepard to make it realistic. Somehow I don't think this would be offered if one of the more popular love interests were to do it.

[HK-90210]

shadey wrote...

well shepard can dump anyone he wants .

you can romance someone in me1, dump them for someone else in me2, then dump them for someone else in me3

it would make sense at least 1 of sheps. squad mates/LI isn't just sitting around waiting for him to call but moved on to other relationships.

just happened to fall on jacob since he's the least liked character.

And this makes it OK?

[Visii]

CastonFolarus wrote...

shadey wrote...

well shepard can dump anyone he wants .

you can romance someone in me1, dump them for someone else in me2, then dump them for someone else in me3

it would make sense at least 1 of sheps. squad mates/LI isn't just sitting around waiting for him to call but moved on to other relationships.

just happened to fall on jacob since he's the least liked character.

And this makes it OK?

One issue (disregarding the fact that this scenario happened at all) is that it has no build up, no tension. It's a bolt from the blue. Finish playing ME2 with a romanced Jacob then go play ME3- the change is ridiculous. There's no way fo Shepard to fix it, no way for Shepard to even know anything is wrong. It's just OVER when she gets there.

if they wanted to tell a, "Well, not everything works out" story, they should have shown the breakdown of the relationship (like they did in ME2 when if you get too pushy with Jacob after his loyalty mission, he breaks up with Shepard) instead of just jumping to the IT'S OVER phase.

Modifié par Visii, 16 mars 2012 - 05:15 .

[PsyrenY]

I'm not sure what you guys want Bioware to do at this point though. Assuming he even survived, if he left his pregnant wife to get back with you, he'd be even more of a jackass. Might be better to cut your losses.

Visii wrote...

The issue is that it has no build up, no
tension. It's a bolt from the blue. Finish playing ME2 with a romanced
Jacob then go play ME3- the change is ridiculous. There's no way fo
Shepard to fix it, no way for Shepard to even know anything is wrong.
It's just OVER when she gets there.

if they wanted to tell a,
"Well, not everything works out" story, they should have shown the
breakdown of the relationship (like they did in ME2 when if you get too
pushy with JAcob after his loyalty mission, he breaks up with Shepard)
instead of just jumping to the IT'S OVER phase.

Can any other LI break up with you like that after being locked in? Seems to me this is even more indication that it wasn't a great cosmic love from beyond the stars to begin with.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 16 mars 2012 - 03:55 .

[Visii]

Optimystic_X wrote...

I'm not sure what you guys want Bioware to do at this point though. Assuming he even survived, if he left his pregnant wife to get back with you, he'd be even more of a jackass. Might be better to cut your losses.

Visii wrote...

The issue is that it has no build up, no
tension. It's a bolt from the blue. Finish playing ME2 with a romanced
Jacob then go play ME3- the change is ridiculous. There's no way fo
Shepard to fix it, no way for Shepard to even know anything is wrong.
It's just OVER when she gets there.

if they wanted to tell a,
"Well, not everything works out" story, they should have shown the
breakdown of the relationship (like they did in ME2 when if you get too
pushy with JAcob after his loyalty mission, he breaks up with Shepard)
instead of just jumping to the IT'S OVER phase.

Can any other LI break up with you like that after being locked in? Seems to me this is even more indication that it wasn't a great cosmic love from beyond the stars to begin with.

If you take that logic, failing anyone's loyalty mission is an indicaiton that it wasn't meant to be a great cosmic love from beyond the stars to begin with. Jacob tells you that he's dealt with the emotional aspect of his father's actions. Shepard basically tells him, "NO! YOU HAVE TO BE DISRAUGHT! YOU NEED ME TO BE YOUR THERAPIST. LAY YOUR BURDENS ON ME, I SAVIOR SHEPARD SHALL CLEANSE YOU!"

Jacob says, "Thanks, but no thanks, I can handle myself and don't need you telling me I don't knoww myself."

[HK-90210]

Visii wrote...

The issue is that it has no build up, no tension. It's a bolt from the blue. Finish playing ME2 with a romanced Jacob then go play ME3- the change is ridiculous. There's no way fo Shepard to fix it, no way for Shepard to even know anything is wrong. It's just OVER when she gets there.

if they wanted to tell a, "Well, not everything works out" story, they should have shown the breakdown of the relationship (like they did in ME2 when if you get too pushy with JAcob after his loyalty mission, he breaks up with Shepard) instead of just jumping to the IT'S OVER phase.

I think the issue is that this happened at all.  The only people who are really hurt by this are people who already liked Jacob. The haters, or the people who thought he was kind of 'meh' would have been unaffected by Jacob's romance in ME3. So Bioware did this to Jacob fans on purpose. To me, there is no logical explanation for doing so. This whole thing has no upside, so silver lining, nothing positive about it.

Continuing Jacob's romance would have involved a grand total of a few dialogue choices and a kiss. Barely more than was there already. Instead, Bioware decided to take a lazy, completely out-of-character route with Jacob that only hurt people who thought he was OK as he was(well, mostly OK).

So no, I don't think it's the way it was done. That it was done at all pisses me off. And if that was Bioware's intention here, then I guess well done on their part. They've made a pissed off, skeptical fan out of a rather loyal one. Congratz to them.

[Sarah1281]

it would make sense at least 1 of sheps. squad mates/LI isn't just sitting around waiting for him to call but moved on to other relationships.

just happened to fall on jacob since he's the least liked character.

It would make sense that if one of Shepard's squad mates/LIs doesn't want to just sit around waiting for her to call but move on to other relationships that they do Shepard the basic courtesy of letting them know first.

I'm not sure what you guys want Bioware to do at this point though. Assuming he even survived, if he left his pregnant wife to get back with you, he'd be even more of a jackass. Might be better to cut your losses.

People keep calling Brynn his wife. Did I miss something? When did they get married? People have children with a wedding all the time and it's probably even more common nearly two centuries in the future.

[Visii]

CastonFolarus wrote...

I think the issue is that this happened at all.  The only people who are really hurt by this are people who already liked Jacob. The haters, or the people who thought he was kind of 'meh' would have been unaffected by Jacob's romance in ME3. So Bioware did this to Jacob fans on purpose. To me, there is no logical explanation for doing so. This whole thing has no upside, so silver lining, nothing positive about it.

Continuing Jacob's romance would have involved a grand total of a few dialogue choices and a kiss. Barely more than was there already. Instead, Bioware decided to take a lazy, completely out-of-character route with Jacob that only hurt people who thought he was OK as he was(well, mostly OK).

So no, I don't think it's the way it was done. That it was done at all pisses me off. And if that was Bioware's intention here, then I guess well done on their part. They've made a pissed off, skeptical fan out of a rather loyal one. Congratz to them.

Hey, it's Asenza. I'm with you, it's ridiculous that it happened at all. But trying to understand or make sense of the why it hapened at all... It's that it happened at all AND the way it happened.

Like with Thane. They didn't have to kill him, but seeing as they were set on it, they could have done a better job at the scene and romance if Shepard romanced him..

[HK-90210]

Visii wrote...

Hey, it's Asenza. I'm with you, it's ridiculous that it happened at all. But trying to understand or make sense of the why it hapened at all... It's that it happened at all AND the way it happened.

Like with Thane. They didn't have to kill him, but seeing as they were set on it, they could have done a better job at the scene and romance if Shepard romanced him..

Sorry, yeah, that was a bit out of line. It's just you said 'THE issue', so my sleep-deprived brain thought that you were saying that was the only issue.  Gah, It's been a week and I'm still pissed off about this. Normally I don't hold a grudge, but I think this is going to be around for a while.

I'm not going to lie to anybody and say "I'M BOYCOTTING BIOWARE GAMES FROM NOW ON! RABBLE, RABBLE, RABBLE!!!!11111". But still, before now I always had complete confidence in Bioware to deliver a fantastic game, with no major flaws. Nothing in a Bioware game has left me feeling 100% pissed off/depressed before now. Heck, I can easily skirt past the ME3 endings, due to an overactive imagination. But with ME3's Jacob, there's not a lot that can salvage the situation.

Best I can hope for I suppose is for that rumored 'Romance DLC' to come out, which can offer at least SOMETHING to make this better. But if that doesn't happen, the very least Bioware owes the Jacob fanbase is a damn explanation. It's Bioware's game, and they have full control. But dammit, I'm a loyal customer, and I feel like I've been slapped in the face here for nothing more than liking a character that wasn't as popular.

[SilentK]

I there with you Cason, you are not alone in this.

I love this game, and I want to love it. But the whole situation with Jacob is just one big heartbreak for me. I can't roleplay around it. As you say, people who are friends with Jacob has it pretty good, as do the ones who didn't care for him. But those of us that loved him, we are let down beyond words. BioWare let themselves down to be fair. There is no way to resolve the situation, to talk about it. A FemShep who is angry or sad at Jacob, she has nothing. And nobody liked the way FemShep spoke when trying to pick up Jacob in ME2, but as soon as they were in a relationship that changed and they had some of the best conversations in the whole game. What do we get more of in ME3, not the best conversations in the game that's for sure. We get more of creepy FemShep. It is as if they really go out of their way to try to make even the people who loved Jacob in ME2 to just run away from him by giving us more of the things we hated in the first place.

Sorry for rant, love the game but I am in no way, shape or form over this thing with Jacob. They made something great in ME2 as far as I am concerned. And then they killed it.

edit:
Caston, ok if I nab "Fix Jacob banner" that you have, it's nice   =)

Modifié par SilentK, 16 mars 2012 - 06:57 .

[Visii]

CastonFolarus wrote...

Visii wrote...

Hey, it's Asenza. I'm with you, it's ridiculous that it happened at all. But trying to understand or make sense of the why it hapened at all... It's that it happened at all AND the way it happened.

Like with Thane. They didn't have to kill him, but seeing as they were set on it, they could have done a better job at the scene and romance if Shepard romanced him..

Sorry, yeah, that was a bit out of line. It's just you said 'THE issue', so my sleep-deprived brain thought that you were saying that was the only issue.  Gah, It's been a week and I'm still pissed off about this. Normally I don't hold a grudge, but I think this is going to be around for a while.

I'm not going to lie to anybody and say "I'M BOYCOTTING BIOWARE GAMES FROM NOW ON! RABBLE, RABBLE, RABBLE!!!!11111". But still, before now I always had complete confidence in Bioware to deliver a fantastic game, with no major flaws. Nothing in a Bioware game has left me feeling 100% pissed off/depressed before now. Heck, I can easily skirt past the ME3 endings, due to an overactive imagination. But with ME3's Jacob, there's not a lot that can salvage the situation.

Best I can hope for I suppose is for that rumored 'Romance DLC' to come out, which can offer at least SOMETHING to make this better. But if that doesn't happen, the very least Bioware owes the Jacob fanbase is a damn explanation. It's Bioware's game, and they have full control. But dammit, I'm a loyal customer, and I feel like I've been slapped in the face here for nothing more than liking a character that wasn't as popular.

*pats*

I know how you feel. Wish I could make peace with this, with Thane and Jack's absence and Samara's... would feel better if a switch was flicked and I could just stop caring. Has to burn out eventually, I guess, but until then... more lengthy forum posts and stalking twitter, I suppose...

[MaraGriffyn]

BioWare really did a disservice to Jacobmancers and to the character himself. I never had much interest in romancing him, but I was pretty disgusted to hear how his romance plays out in ME3.

[durasteel]

He's just not that into you.

[PsyrenY]

Visii wrote...

If you take that logic, failing anyone's loyalty mission is an indicaiton that it wasn't meant to be a great cosmic love from beyond the stars to begin with. Jacob tells you that he's dealt with the emotional aspect of his father's actions. Shepard basically tells him, "NO! YOU HAVE TO BE DISRAUGHT! YOU NEED ME TO BE YOUR THERAPIST. LAY YOUR BURDENS ON ME, I SAVIOR SHEPARD SHALL CLEANSE YOU!"

Jacob says, "Thanks, but no thanks, I can handle myself and don't need you telling me I don't knoww myself."

But he only gets that way after you've succeeded at his loyalty mission - you can't fail it (other than dying.)

And that's still a problem, that he won't open up to the woman he "supposedly" loves.

Sarah1281 wrote...
People keep calling Brynn his wife. Did I
miss something? When did they get married? People have children with a
wedding all the time and it's probably even more common nearly two
centuries in the future.

Okay, baby mamma then. Still a dick move at that point.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 16 mars 2012 - 06:45 .

[Cosmochyck]

Hello everyone!
Yep, Jacob got screwed in ME3 (oh wait, maybe that was Brynn)....
He was poorly written, and had zero screen time. 

We have started a united thread for support to fix ALL the ME2 romances/character assassinations that occurred in ME3.  

Also, thought I'd drop this off as I'm sure it sums it up nicely.

by soren7550 

[Sarah1281]

Okay, baby mamma then. Still a dick move at that point.

Well, that depends. Does having a child with someone somehow obligate you to stay in a relationship with them if you don't want to be? It does obligate you to support them but other than that, I don't feel that if Jacob for any reason decided Brynn wasn't doing it for him that he's a dick for leaving her. Well, assuming he learns how to break up with a woman.

[PsyrenY]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Well, that depends. Does having a child with someone somehow obligate you to stay in a relationship with them if you don't want to be? It does obligate you to support them but other than that, I don't feel that if Jacob for any reason decided Brynn wasn't doing it for him that he's a dick for leaving her. Well, assuming he learns how to break up with a woman.

You don't think that would be slightly awkward? He pledged to protect those people in addition to getting their leader pregnant. Being nominally together with you as you flit around the galaxy, while watching over them/watching his child grow up just isn't reasonable, nor is taking him away from them so they can fend for themselves.

[SilentK]

Optimystic_X wrote...

You don't think that would be slightly awkward? He pledged to protect those people in addition to getting their leader pregnant. Being nominally together with you as you flit around the galaxy, while watching over them/watching his child grow up just isn't reasonable, nor is taking him away from them so they can fend for themselves.

For a Shepard that had Jacob as a friend it is a great move. For a FemShep that romanced him it is a very strange thing. You suddenly cannot act or react to something that should have been a very important moment. I guess that you haven't done the romance? We have discussed this in the Jacob-thread. I don't think he would leave his kid, but his character has always had this feeling of integrity. If he would leave you he would tell you that straight up front, not doing it behind your back and never keep it secret. He was very loving in the relationship. I see people mentioning that he could end it with FemShep in ME2 and that is right, if you tried to become his shrink and create problems that are not there then he would leave. But if you were just as open and sincere as him it was great.

The problem with Jacob in ME3 is how the choose to implement it. You cannot react to it. There isn't a choice for a paragon FemShep to save them all but REALLY REALLY chew him out. Or for a renegade FemShep to just leave a crater where the house was. We can punch a reporter, but if someone cheats on Shepard we go "Oki, well grab your "friend", I'm here to save the day. You want some extra cookes on the shuttle". In the next convo on the hospital, Jacob acts as if you are friends, and this might be a FemShep that hates his guts. He even tells a woman he cheated on that his new girl wants to name the kid after FemShep. And you have nothing to say about it. Because they forgot to add a convo for a romanced FemShep so you get the same lines as a friendly Shepard. Jacob: "I'll talk her out of it, no hard feelings". FemShep: "None taken".

We get no closure for the story between FemShep and Jacob because they cannot talk about it. This could have been a interesting story. Will this be the thing that drives your FemShep to do completely irrational things, will she become more violent. Will she tell Jacob that she forgives him. Before earth they could have cleared the air, or FemShep could have left him wallowing in guilt. But no one talks about it with her as far as I know. Neither friends or crewmembers.It is as if Jacob never exsisted, as if they never met.

I want to be able to punsh something really hard, be it a boxing-bag in the cargo-bay, after Jacob dumping FemShep... just something...

Modifié par SilentK, 16 mars 2012 - 09:41 .

[HK-90210]

SilentK wrote...
edit:
Caston, ok if I nab "Fix Jacob banner" that you have, it's nice   =)

Go ahead, it's one of the ones on the OP of the Jacob thread, so I'd credit the original person who came up with it, but I don't know who they are.

Cosmochyck wrote...
Also, thought I'd drop this off as I'm sure it sums it up nicely.
*picture snip*
by soren7550

I'm laughing on the ouside, but on the inside, I'm crying. If I could make that picture my signature, I would.

[SilentK]

*sigh*

I wish that romancing Jacob would be something that was a rewarding feeling going into ME3. Just thought that he was such a great character because I generally like the ones who are calm and not so much drama. I really looked forward to continuing the romance-arc with him, just because he felt so real. Not so happy that the best thing I can look forward to is to be able to hopefully one day scream at him. If they would update the convos to take away the weird combo of romance + non-romanced stuff.

Good thing that the romance with Kaidan is wonderful. A little sad that he is the only human male for FemShep, but his romance-arc is just great!

edit: got a little too bitter there, sorry.

Modifié par SilentK, 16 mars 2012 - 11:09 .

[HurricaneGinger]

I never romanced Jacob myself, but I really hope you guys get some closure with him. Even though I tease Jacob, I love him because he has integrity. I never thought he'd cheat on Shepard; it never crossed my mind, it was unfathomable. It was out of character.

And I don't know about the rest of you, but I wanted to punch Brynn she said: "He's better off with me."



Don't worry girls! I got your back!

Modifié par PhantomGinger, 17 mars 2012 - 12:21 .

[CHALET]

Cheating on FemShep? Heavy risk.
But the prriiizzeee.

Watched it on YouTube and I won't lie, I did love the Renegade option where FemShep tries to seduce him out of what he has going with Brynn - seemingly just to prove she can - the lack of Renegade "PAWNCH" did surprise me though, for the both of them.