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[PsiFive]

And half the crew!

Okay, on the one hand Rupert was a lousy cook anyway and wasn't all that convincing about washing his hands after fixing the dunnies, and presuambly most of the rest are loony racist Cerberus xenophobes. Apart from Kelly of course, who'll do anything to anything. But now... melted! Who the hell's going to feed my fish?

Okay, seriously, I've clearly stuffed up on the mission thing. I won't lose sleep if I never get the Saving The Crew achievement but it'd be nice, so can someone recap for me and explain where I went wrong so I don't screw up my next playthrough. Here's how my playthrough after acquiring the Reaper IFF went.

• Put off waking Legion for a bit.
• Decide to go see Liara in the SB Base to see how a couple of those investment things worked so go to galaxy map.
• Joker and EDI say it's IFF test time so I have to take the shuttle, which I do but I don't see Shep & Team go anywhere because...
• WTF? Collectors! Run, Joker, ru... okay, look, just hobble as fast as you can.
• Shep & Team come back having not actually gone anywhere and "Joker, mate, really? The whole crew?"
• Chose the we'll go get them as soon as possible option, but go see Liara first plus a stop at Ilium for a wepon upgrade I couldn't afford before and swing by the Citadel because with Kelly gone and my fish all about to die I thought I'd get the no food space hamster instead. I did not do any actual missions, just a bit of light shopping.
• Wake Legion. Talk. Go to Geth space station. Reprogram heretics.
• Back to Normandy and go directly to Omega relay to begin suicide mission.
• All goes fine on the way with no casualties because I did the right upgrades, though WTF is it with leaving extra medi-gel and heavy weapon power cells on the cargo deck all this time? Where I can't get at them? Words will be had with Illusive Man when I get back - leave 'em where I can get at 'em, you idiot!
• Get Legion through ventilation tunnel alive and well while fighting my way to the other end, and...
• Miranda: "Hey, boss, look at this, it's the crew."
• Kelly: "Arrrgh" squelch squelch squelch ... /dies
• Chakwas: "Where the hell were you?"
• Shepard: "Ah. Oops. Would you believe... shopping?" 

What should I have not done? I thought the game just counted missions and allowed you one mission, which is Legion's loyalty mission, before you have to go through the Omega relay, and that one mission is the only mission I did. So is it not as simple as ≤ 1 mission? Or does visiting the SB base or something count as a mission even though you're not actually doing anything mission-y while you're there?

Cheers.
 

[PsiFive]

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Once your allies are kidnapped, if you don't immediately head to the CB half of them will automatically die if you do another mission or visit another place.

Now I'm confused. If I can't even do one mission how do I achieve Legion's loyalty? The crew were kidnapped as soon as I went to the galaxy map just to move the Normandy from one place to another. I hadn't even woken Legion up at that point. But I know others have gone through the Omega relay with a loyal Legion and still saved all the crew.

Also since leaving the OP I found this suicide mission guide elsewhere on the forums, and it says something similar to you.

Pacifien wrote...

From the moment the crew is kidnapped from the Normandy, you are on a timer that will affect how many of them will die depending on how many missions you complete from time of kidnapping to going through the Omega-4 Mass Relay. A mission is anything that will result in a "Mission Complete" screen at the end, so landing on hub worlds will have no affect on this timer. Doing missions on hub worlds could. Mining for minerals shouldn't.

Judging from that and what you said it sounds like buying space hamsters, weapon upgrades and going round to Liara's new place for money and goodies didn't get Kelly & Co melted, but doing Legion's loyalty mission - the only time I got the mission completion screen between losing the crew and watching Kelly turn to goo - did. But like I said, I know people go to the final mission with everyone loyal, including Legion, and still rescue everyone...
... I just don't see how at the moment.


Eited to add:

Ah, hell. I've got to check my own email as well now. Kellllllllyyyyy!

Modifié par PsiFive, 10 mars 2012 - 07:11 .

[eraser909]

i've only done it once. on my first playthrough. and i'm not sure how i did it.

ever since then i've done 4 or 5 playthroughs and have not been able to do again.

on the last one i did right after the crew was kidnapped, i talked to legion and then did his loyalty mission, then went straight to the suicide mission. and once i got there half the crew was dead.

i didn't do anything other than legion's mission and i still lost half of them. so i can't figure out how i did it my first time. i had legion's loyalty and still saved everyone so i don't know what i did different this last time.

[swenson]

Do Legion's loyalty mission before the crew gets kidnapped, of course! Wake him up earlier, talk to him a bit, and he'll give you his loyalty mission. You have enough time to do two missions after the Derelict Reaper but before the crew is kidnapped, so you have enough time.

However, note that if you do Legion's loyalty mission, the kidnapping will happen immediately, even if that was the only mission you did after the Derelict Reaper. Then you can't do any missions, even Legion's.

[PsiFive]

Ah, penny might be dropping here. Are you saying that if I wake Legion before I go to the galaxy map after IFF acquisition I'll trigger his loyalty mission, so that the next visit to the galaxy map will not trigger the Collector attack and kidnapping but just be a normal move ship to where you want to go exercise? Still seems like I should try and get those shopping bits earlier but if that's right then at least I don't have to worry about melted crew members. Alternatively if the same thing happens would I have enough loyal people including Zaeed and Kasumi to get the team out alive again provided I don't use the not yet loyal Legion for any special tasks (i.e. send Tali through the vents)?

[Cyanios]

just finish your **** before going IFF. works like a charm. wake legion, finish last missions, i tend to save tali or jack for the end with the rewriteing at the end. then rescue the adorable people and perfect end.