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[chris fenton]

Nyila wrote...

Hah that wouldn't be worse than our current choices..

FemShep gets ugly aliens in ME2 while MShep gets an alien that looks almost human.. Yeah..

Why not a Hanar?

spoiler: it's going to be Blasto.

[KoiWeiss]

The Kaidan and Man!Shep romance was actually very touching and very well thought out, so that's sad if the females really got shafted with their Kaidan romance.

I will most definitely be romancing Liara with my Fem!Shep.

[RomanDark]

The endings make ALL romances sad no matter what gender or orientation or cross-species fetish your shepard had

[carine]

I liked the Kaidan romance. A lot. It was perfect for my loyal FemShep. But I still think Vega should have been an option because if Kaidan died on Virmire, heterosexual FemShep has no other option. Bleh.

[futeki]

I could've gone either way (Kaidan or Garrus) during my first playthrough, until my date conversation with Kaidan. I ended it immediately after he said he understood why I cheated. I was so appalled he could accuse me of that, even though we obviously weren't together in ME2 that I ran straight into the arms of Garrus. I'm so glad I did. His romance was amazing in every aspect.

[lady_v23]

I like my Liara romance.  It was very well done.  And did anyone foresee Tali and Garrus get together?

[Nyaore]

RomanDark wrote...

The endings make ALL romances sad no matter what gender or orientation or cross-species fetish your shepard had

And that's why headcanon is such a wonderful thing. You can pretend that ending never happened.
Honestly, I'm also kind of curious to see how some of the better writers in the fanfiction community tackle getting around the endings. Should be fun. (I foresee lots of bad 'reincarnation' fiction where all of them are back in highschool though.. That's what always happens with these sorts of endings..)

[2leggywillow]

FemShep's ME2 romances do get pretty screwed over.  Jack and Miranda don't get much content in-game but if you manage to get Shep to survive they arguably have the greatest chance for a happy ending, since they're both on Earth for the final fight and aren't teleported to Jurassic Planet.  Thane and Jacob... not so much.

[syllogi]

KoiWeiss wrote...

The Kaidan and Man!Shep romance was actually very touching and very well thought out, so that's sad if the females really got shafted with their Kaidan romance.

I will most definitely be romancing Liara with my Fem!Shep.

I think this is a thread for Kaidan haters...whatever floats yer boat, but they don't speak for everyone.  I love the FemShep/Kaidan romance in ME3, I thought it was worth the wait after having no romance at all in ME2.  But of course, if someone didn't like him going into the game, they're going to automatically discount his romance, male or female.  Their loss.

[AtreiyaN7]

To be honest, I don't quite get the complaining. Is it a surprise that Jacob moved on with his life and maybe found someone after you go back to the Alliance? The man probably had a target on his back just like Miranda did after leaving Cerberus and had to do something with himself eventually. I find it vaguely hypocritical that people find it okay for the player to cheat, but not their LI (horrors) - if you can even call the Jacob thing cheating, and I don't. I don't blame him for moving on with his life.

I romanced Kaidan in ME1 and then Thane in ME2, and I found the conclusion of the Thane romance appropriate and even moving. It wasn't the easy way out, it was the hard way. Easy would have been giving Thane some miracle cure, but his death had meaning and was moving - even Kolyat's prayer & the letter Thane leaves you. I reunited with Kaidan ultimately, and it was pretty good. I'd always thought of the ME2 characters as being somewhat transient and that there was meant to be a whole arc with the ME1 LI that came to its conclusion in ME3.

Personally, I also found it gratifying to hear Kaidan explain his actions on Horizon because it pretty much matched what I always said in the threads where people complained about their LI rejecting them on Horizon, ie., that Kaidan acknowledged that was so discombobulated by seeing Shepard alive and with Cerberus that he was irrationally angry and didn't handle it well at all.

[2leggywillow]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

To be honest, I don't quite get the complaining. Is it a surprise that Jacob moved on with his life and maybe found someone after you go back to the Alliance? The man probably had a target on his back just like Miranda did after leaving Cerberus and had to do something with himself eventually. I find it vaguely hypocritical that people find it okay for the player to cheat, but not their LI (horrors) - if you can even call the Jacob thing cheating, and I don't. I don't blame him for moving on with his life.

Well there's "moving on after being dead for two years" and then there's "being dumped without informing the other person after 6 months of incarceration".  The way Jacob talks about hanging out on the beach (and presumably knocking up Dr. Cole) while Shep is being held for questioning by the Alliance is just.... well, it makes me laugh a lot, but I'm sure it really does smart for Jacob fans.

[AtreiyaN7]

Sparatus wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

To be honest, I don't quite get the complaining. Is it a surprise that Jacob moved on with his life and maybe found someone after you go back to the Alliance? The man probably had a target on his back just like Miranda did after leaving Cerberus and had to do something with himself eventually. I find it vaguely hypocritical that people find it okay for the player to cheat, but not their LI (horrors) - if you can even call the Jacob thing cheating, and I don't. I don't blame him for moving on with his life.

If they wanted to do this then they could have at least written it better.

*shrug* Doesn't really matter to me - I romanced him in ME2 but didn't bother to import that saved and just mentally filed it as "fling done strictly for entertainment purposes to see how goofy it was" category. As for the "how they could have written it better" thing, I talked to Jacob during the mission to rescue the scientists. What he said about his new life and his new love seemed quite reasonable and made sense to me. It's like real life: sometimes you don't get who you want no matter what.  Considering all the complaints about the Jacob romance in ME2, I'm surprised that anyone's even upset over it. Is it fair if you wanted to continue the romance? I suppose not, but it did seem fitting with who Jacob is as a person (the guy clearly found his purpose in life finally).

[The_Animal81]

JasonDaPsycho wrote...

Actually, the last Garrus conversation is possibly the greatest conversation to ever occur in the game imo. Yes, it's sad, but the voice actors' delivery are so spot on. I really came close to bursting into tears.

haha agreeded, that convo was the best convo of the entire series as far as i am concerned and i feel like it was spot on but i feel like they could have put it after Liara's moment, flashback thing, unless you have her as a LI but anyways because of that secne and the target practice both me and my buddy gave Garrus the nickname "Blue" from the movie Old School cause of the quote "Your my boy Blue" from the movie 

[AtreiyaN7]

2leggywillow wrote...

Well there's "moving on after being dead for two years" and then there's "being dumped without informing the other person after 6 months of incarceration".  The way Jacob talks about hanging out on the beach (and presumably knocking up Dr. Cole) while Shep is being held for questioning by the Alliance is just.... well, it makes me laugh a lot, but I'm sure it really does smart for Jacob fans.

I never said it was fair - it's not if you actually wanted something more with the guy. Also, Jacob didn't spend all his time on the beach - he found purpose later (per my previous post) in protecting the scientists, and at that point, yep, he was a marked man along with the people he was looking after. As for the period of Shepard's incarceration...technically, he/she was still stuck on Earth and not released. The only reason for his/her sudden freedom and reinstatement was the Reaper attack on Earth. Sure, the way things turn out is unfortunate for the people who were really into Jacob, but sometimes things don't work out. As for me, my view on Jacob is that I'm glad he found someone with whom he was having a child - seemed to give him some hope for the future.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 10 mars 2012 - 09:32 .

[Lianaar]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

To be honest, I don't quite get the complaining.

Personally, I also found it gratifying to hear Kaidan explain his actions on Horizon because it pretty much matched what I always said in the threads where people complained about their LI rejecting them on Horizon, ie., that Kaidan acknowledged that was so discombobulated by seeing Shepard alive and with Cerberus that he was irrationally angry and didn't handle it well at all.

My personal complaints go to the disbalance representable in numbers for hetero girl options. Shere math. The time invested to make 3 female LI and 1 male LI should have been distributed to 2-2. Just for balance's sake.

I utterly loved Kaiden's reaction on Horizon. It was logical, understandable and great. It was pretty much the reaction my own character gave to herself. I partially missed the options from the conversations where my char reflects to herself as a monster. After all she is. She was unquestionably dead. Deader then dead. Whatever comes after it is not natural. And since Cerberus isn't god, one of my chars saw herself no better then any husks. With the sole purpose of killing reapers instead of killing living people. Well, and maybe less cruel and unfortunate enough to feel pain both physical and psychical. All in all, I am very satisfied with Kaiden's reaction to Shep's return. It still doesn't give me the alternatives in number I seek.

(In a way it is awkward that I would be pleased with 1-1 options, and displeased with 1-3 options, since basically I **** for having more and would not **** if I had less. It is the princip behind the disproportion that is displeasing.)

[ladyvader]

For me the Liara romance with my femShep is perfect.

[ladyvader]

Nyaore wrote...

RomanDark wrote...

The endings make ALL romances sad no matter what gender or orientation or cross-species fetish your shepard had

And that's why headcanon is such a wonderful thing. You can pretend that ending never happened.
Honestly, I'm also kind of curious to see how some of the better writers in the fanfiction community tackle getting around the endings. Should be fun. (I foresee lots of bad 'reincarnation' fiction where all of them are back in highschool though.. That's what always happens with these sorts of endings..)

We will see.  Making the ending work and not some cheesy dream or the high school bit type ending is going to be the challenge.

[Nyila]

futeki wrote...

I could've gone either way (Kaidan or Garrus) during my first playthrough, until my date conversation with Kaidan. I ended it immediately after he said he understood why I cheated. I was so appalled he could accuse me of that, even though we obviously weren't together in ME2 that I ran straight into the arms of Garrus. I'm so glad I did. His romance was amazing in every aspect.

I totally agree. What Shepard does in ME2 is in no way, shape or form cheating, unless the ME1 LI was Liara, in that case it's more like cheating, because she's there on Illium and Shepard can visit her.

I am totally a Garrus fangirl! <3

[Jaulen]

JasonDaPsycho wrote...

Actually, the last Garrus conversation is possibly the greatest conversation to ever occur in the game imo. Yes, it's sad, but the voice actors' delivery are so spot on. I really came close to bursting into tears.

Until Liara pops out of nowhere in that flashback sequence and Garrus remains nowhere to be seen.

Actually, I did burst into tears....1) because I watched spoiler videos on how the game ends so I was like "Poor GARRUS!" 2) I was going on 36 hours of no sleep 3)The VAs were AMAZING there.

[Yuqi]

I fail to see how they took it too far.

[Wynne]

Tup3xi wrote...

Lianaar wrote...

Alisu wrote...

If romanced Thane in Mass Effect 2 the choices this time around are pretty screwed, that is, if we don't count all the female options offered for hot girly love for male players, (I know Asari is technically both but you know what I mean) there is only Kaidan.. And he was deemed idiot already in the first game.. At least give us an option to start anew with Garrus when Thane dies..

Me, a heterosexual girl, with no issues with gay people, still want to have my own fun. An option to chose from heterosexual love interest. I never thought I ever come to saying, I start to feel discriminated for not having fun in non-conventional love affairs. I am fine with a DLC that makes this possible, like a companion that offers an alternative. I understand, that there are different people and different things they like, which is all fine. I just want to have my own share of interests, which I don't. Please devs, think on heterosexual girls too, we might not represent te biggest market share, but we are here and we do buy the game.

Honestly, ME3 romances are messed up. They went too far with S/S stuff if you ask me.

I agree completely. 

What a horrible run this was for my FemShep. Her too-sick-for-nookie lover dies, Kaidan tells her that was CHEATING then hilariously expects her to ever touch him again... meanwhile she's being hit on by Liara, Samantha, and Diana, none of whom interest her that way--Vega seems so promising, then he turns out to be a whole lot of wind and no action whatsoever. 

Then, the ending. 

Seriously, ME3 broke my heart over and over and over again. Like DA2's ending, it left me feeling gutted and drained, as if nothing I did mattered and there was no reason to play through it another time. What's worse is, I think at least most people had the chance to get some sort of emotional intimacy before the end. That didn't even happen for me, though I desperately wanted it to. 

Still heartbroken.

Yuqi wrote...

I fail to see how they took it too far.

By raining women in skimpy clothing on FemShep, killing Thane, teasing with Vega, and giving Kaidan one of the douchiest lines ever, ruining what was otherwise a perfectly good romance. 

Players of straight FemSheps who (a) didn't choose Garrus because they felt ME2's treatment of him was extremely disappointing and ( won't accept Bioware slapping them in the face with the scolding lie that falling in love with a dying person after your fling calls you a traitor and leaves you is somehow *cheating*, are utterly screwed. 

That's too damned far.

Modifié par Wynne, 11 mars 2012 - 02:30 .

[Nyila]

Wynne wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

Lianaar wrote...

Alisu wrote...

If romanced Thane in Mass Effect 2 the choices this time around are pretty screwed, that is, if we don't count all the female options offered for hot girly love for male players, (I know Asari is technically both but you know what I mean) there is only Kaidan.. And he was deemed idiot already in the first game.. At least give us an option to start anew with Garrus when Thane dies..

Me, a heterosexual girl, with no issues with gay people, still want to have my own fun. An option to chose from heterosexual love interest. I never thought I ever come to saying, I start to feel discriminated for not having fun in non-conventional love affairs. I am fine with a DLC that makes this possible, like a companion that offers an alternative. I understand, that there are different people and different things they like, which is all fine. I just want to have my own share of interests, which I don't. Please devs, think on heterosexual girls too, we might not represent te biggest market share, but we are here and we do buy the game.

Honestly, ME3 romances are messed up. They went too far with S/S stuff if you ask me.

I agree completely. 

What a horrible run this was for my FemShep. Her too-sick-for-nookie lover dies, Kaidan tells her that was CHEATING then hilariously expects her to ever touch him again... meanwhile she's being hit on by Liara, Samantha, and Diana, none of whom interest her that way--Vega seems so promising, then he turns out to be a whole lot of wind and no action whatsoever. 

Then, the ending. 

Seriously, ME3 broke my heart over and over and over again. Like DA2's ending, it left me feeling gutted and drained, as if nothing I did mattered and there was no reason to play through it another time. What's worse is, I think at least most people had the chance to get some sort of emotional intimacy before the end. That didn't even happen for me, though I desperately wanted it to. 

Still heartbroken.

Yuqi wrote...

I fail to see how they took it too far.

By raining women in skimpy clothing on FemShep, killing Thane, teasing with Vega, and giving Kaidan one of the douchiest lines ever, ruining what was otherwise a perfectly good romance. 

Players of straight FemSheps who (a) didn't choose Garrus because they felt ME2's treatment of him was extremely disappointing and ( won't accept Bioware slapping them in the face with the scolding lie that falling in love with a dying person after your fling calls you a traitor and leaves you is somehow *cheating*, are utterly screwed. 

That's too damned far.

I agree.

It wouldn't have been hard to create a scene with Vega, he was already in Shepard's quarters, even if it's only a one-time thing. MShep gets a one-time thing with Jack in ME2, and the only similar thing FemShep gets in ME1 is that scene with the Consort, which isn't particularly appealing to a straight female gamer.

So, if Ashley survives Virmire and FemShep doesn't date Garrus in ME2, she has the choice between abstinence or becoming a lesbian? Good one..