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[Militarized]

One of the other main problems with ending that I, and many others, seem to have is disbelief. I'm going to try and dissect the actual Reaper idea and hopefully open up some discussion.

  The Catalyst states that the Reapers are controlled by him, their his creation... he preserves organics in Reaper form. This seems to me to be the mostly false. Yes you use their dna/pulp to create the Reaper but the actual essence seems to have nothing to do with the actual Reaper.. they all behave the same, they all look pretty much the same. If they were truly "ascended" I would see some potential disagreement between them, like with Q in Star Trek it would be rare but possible with a new species no? 

Besides that, what is the point of preserving organic life in reaper form? In ME2 it seemed to make sense, it is how they reproduce... but ME3 does away with that idea and turns the Reaper into some sort of massive, deadly sarcophagus for their genetic code with an AI program that does not run off said genetic coding, as it obviously takes no ques from it. Javik even says that imprints of existence are on everything, especially in our DNA. Perhaps that is why they could not be made into a Reaper? 

If that is why they could not be made into a Reaper, which speaking of which just also throws the ascending them thing out the window because they obviously didn't preserve the Protheans if that is their intent. Why not simply just have the Reapers... without all the mushy dna in them, wipe us out to save us from the supposedly inevitable synthetics we'll create that will kill us? 

Discussion... GO! I feel like I worded some of this poorly but.. it's late, i'm tired, and just wanna see what people think. 

Modifié par Militarized, 10 mars 2012 - 04:11 .

[R3VALAT1ONS]

I can sum up one problem with biowares explanation of the reapers with one example, which makes me wonder if they had completely different writers fro this game then the first two. Sovereign in mass effect state that they are "free fro control and each a nation" so wait a minute..... ummm yeah really bioware. Also so let me understand this it's a highly evolved synthetic who controls other highly evolved synthetics to destroy advanced life to prevent them from developing synthetics that will destroy life. That's exactly what the ****ing reapers do! Omg I swear twelve year holds wrote the endings to this amazing trilogy. Honestly never knowing or understanding the reapers woulda been the better choice then what they gave us

[MrChowderClam]

Militarized wrote...

Besides that, what is the point of preserving organic life in reaper form? In ME2 it seemed to make sense, it is how they reproduce... but ME3 does away with that idea and turns the Reaper into some sort of massive, deadly sarcophagus for their genetic code [...] 

Yeah, I was confused by this as well. Why bother preserving the species at all if there isn't any significant differentiation between the reaper forms of different races, and if they are all controlled by the catalyst?

The part about technological singularity makes sense, but it's a bit disappointing, given that the motivation for the reapers was supposedly beyond the comprehension of humans. Especially since we find out there is no real motivation for the reapers, since they are the servants of the catalyst, who controls citadel(??).

I'm still a bit confused about how the catalyst and the reapers are related to each other. It seems like the crucible was designed by the creator of the reapers, as a way of finding out when the cycle would no longer be viable and needed to be superceded by something else (i.e once a cycle could actually construct the crucible and visit the catalyst, it was a sign that the reapers were not powerful enough to ensure the contnuation of the cycle, and that a new plan - the destruction, transfer of power, or symbiosis - of the reapers needed to be put in action). So is the crucible all part of the creator's plan, or is it genuinely passed down through countless cycles to defeat the reapers?

I would also have liked to figure out how indoctrination works, or why it's so important to reapers? Wouldn't it be easier for the reapers to accomplish their goals if they were to simply bombard planets from orbit until nothing remained? I felt that this needed some more explanation.

Finally, I'd like to say that the very last area of the ending - the part in the citadel with earth above, is one of my favorite parts of the game, and I wish it could have lasted longer. I was surprised that there wasn't a dialogue wheel for the talk with the catalyst. I was like, "oh man, I have so much to ask!" and then that kid was like "I want you to walk into one of the lights, kthxbai

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[Militarized]

The idea of their very being and goals being beyond our comprehension and everything that happened in ME1 and ME2 made me believe the overarching theme was Cosmicism and the struggle of choice, even through the idea that even if we are insignifigant and we be wiped out so easily. On the flipside I guess that doesn't mesh well with your choices mattering, but since it was character driven I guess you could argue that it showed while you're insignifigant you're choices do matter to those around you, but not to the universe. Mix of both worlds.  

To me they didn't just ruin the ending or destroy the universe we all love and care about, they destroyed what I felt had been the core philosophy of the entire series, boiled it down and cast into Matrix Revolutions 2.0 IN SSSPPAAACCEEE because that kind of garbage was popular before and humans do not deal well(although they seemed to deal with it quite well in ME) with the idea of cosmicism... maybe I'm weird for liking that idea so much lol. 

Modifié par Militarized, 10 mars 2012 - 02:08 .

[Craven1138]

You should check this:
http://www.ign.com/b...lers.250066288/

I must say I loved idea of Reapers being beyond the comprehension, unknownable. Unknown, unstopable force is a great theme, especially in epic stories and settings. But this idea of incoming dark energy disaster is also great, and nicely fits some parts of stories "salvation through destruction", "we are each a nation", foreshadowing in ME2 Tali recrutation mission, and stuff like that.

It's way less bull****ty than what we got.

Modifié par Craven1138, 10 mars 2012 - 03:29 .