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[MadMatt910]

Slashice wrote...

This is a brilliant topic keep it up so everyone at BioWare see it (hopefully the writers who made the ending aswell!!)! The ending is simply inconsistent with the series. I love how you summarized everything in your first post! Keep up the good work, don't let Mass Effect ruined!

Theres a few threads floating around on this, all with similar information. It didnt help that drew said he wasnt sure this was the original ending, more liek an idea for a possible ending.

Regardless of if it gets used, this subplot needs to be adequately resolved. It is one of very few plots that goes through all 3 games and then gets ignored completely at the end.

[Slashice]

Well all those topic that reveals the plot mistakes around the ending should be up all the time... clearly the most annoying thing that the last 15 minutes is inconsistent with the trilogy... who authorized this? Meh...

It's like playing with "A" game and then have an ending of a "B" game... no sense at all!

Modifié par Slashice, 13 mars 2012 - 12:35 .

[Slashice]

"Ah, yes. Destroying a Mass Relay destroy the starsystem aswell- we've allready dismissed that claim" Thanks BioWare...

[MadMatt910]

Slashice wrote...

Well all those topic that reveals the plot mistakes around the ending should be up all the time... clearly the most annoying thing that the last 15 minutes is inconsistent with the trilogy... who authorized this? Meh...

It's like playing with "A" game and then have an ending of a "B" game... no sense at all!

The exact problem imo

[Bluefuse]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

Jesus BW you, should have gone with Dark Energy, instead of Reapers protect us from our creations.

Why couldn't the Reapers just tell us? That would have been easier.

"Oh, we shouldn't make synthetic life? You'll destroy us if we try?"

"Ok, got it!"

Modifié par Bluefuse, 13 mars 2012 - 12:44 .

[Slashice]

We made ourselfs synthetics to kill organics and make them synthetics because with time synthetics will kill all organics.... yeeeeaaaah, suuuuure, makes sense... Clearly who came up with this idea instead of the original one (and who authorized it?)?

[JordaJ320]

Well, anything would be better than the 3 deus ex endings that we got. I loved the endings in ME1 and ME2 but ME3 leaves too many plot holes and little room for any more games in the series

[MercenaryNo]

This explains something that's been sitting idly in the back of my mind for a while now. During Tali's recruitment mission I kept wondering where the dark energy stuff would lead to, because it was only a side note for the overall game, but it WAS a side note, so I knew something had to carry over. Sad to see they scrapped it, would've made much more sense, but maybe that is what they'll end up doing anyways, play off the indoctrination idea and then learn of the REAL reason the Reapers are doing this, not just what Child Harbinger says it is.

[Slashice]

Slashice wrote...

We made ourselfs synthetics to kill organics and make them synthetics because with time synthetics will kill all organics.... yeeeeaaaah, suuuuure, makes sense... Clearly who came up with this idea instead of the original one (and who authorized it?)?

Regarding to this theory, the epic conclusion of Mass Effect 3 is this: www.youtube.com/watch

[MadMatt910]

Just gonna slot a thread i made earlier in here - it has more information about the whole chekhovs gun thing

http://social.biowar...5/index/9831144

[DieHigh2012]

askanec wrote...

Drew Karpyshyn's proposed dilemma is:

(a) Kill the Reapers and put your faith in the races of the galaxy in finding another way to stop the spread with what little time is left

or

( Sacrifice humanity, allowing them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will justify the means.

In option (a), you are putting the entire galaxy at risk. There is no certainty a solution might be found. Everyone could be wiped out. It's a danger that is bigger than the Reapers. Even they can't solve it.

However, in (, you are sacrificing the humans so everyone else can be saved. One race out of many others. There is no 100% certainty, but there is at least a better chance. Surely, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

That is a no-brainer. Assuming the Reapers are telling the truth, as I see it, the only right answer is (. Basically, this is just an illusion of choice. I'd like to hear the justification of people who would select (a).

In any case, the players would not know the outcome of their decision (the outcome cannot be shown or people will simply reload and select the right one, thereby making the "choice" even more pointless). We're simply switching the Reapers for dark-energy-crisis. How would such an "ending" be better? Can the galaxy defeat real boss Dark Energy? Big question mark. The end.

Well I'd pick (a), because the Reapers said resistance is futile and I've been kicking their teeth in through all 3 games. They were wrong and that after countless cycles of wiping out all advanced organic life; something they know they can do. Now all of a sudden I'm suppose to sacrifice the one species in all the cycles that were able to push them to the brink of destruction? I don't think so.

[M12311]

I agree with the OP

[Kumekerion]

Give us something at least!

[NekOoNinja]

This is what I expected when I preorderd the game so long ago. The Dark Energy plot was intriguing and makes more sense than what we got now.

Wish you guys could bring it back. I'd even pay for it, reasoning that when one sinks over 200 hours into a series, what's a few more dollars to make another 100-ish hours worthwile. But seeing how this is most likely impossible...
Every single BW game I played, for countless hours, countless times, had a reasonable ending... and then this... *mutters* *shakes head in denial*

I just found Boo the spacehamster dead in my Shep's Captain's cabin. He left a note:

"Thank you for having me around all these years, but recent events have forced me to take desperate measures. You have always been nice to me, but I just cannot take the plot holes anymore. Farewell." - Boo

He committed suicide by jumping off the shelf, whiskers first.

Modifié par NekOoNinja, 17 mars 2012 - 11:29 .

[M12311]

NekOoNinja wrote...

I just found Boo the spacehamster dead in my Shep's Captain's cabin. He left a note:

"Thank you for having me around all these years, but recent events have forced me to take desperate measures. You have always been nice to me, but I just cannot take the plot holes anymore. Farewell." - Boo

He committed suicide by jumping off the shelf, whiskers first.

Hahahaha

[OnlyHazeRemains]

bump

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Dark energy wins in the end anyway. It's inevitable. So choose (a). Choosing ( has a non-zero chance of failure. They've just been able to delay it. And what's to say that that's only the best one can do?

Still better than "yo dawg!"

The whole thing should have been thought out better. The Cthulu type mystery we just do this sh** every 50,000 yrs because it's what we do is just as good as any. Do they really need any motivation?

Also better than "Yo dawg!"

[jules_vern18]

Think we might have a chance if we get this topic defacto stickied with tens of thousands of views?

Probably not, but what else are we gonna do?

Who drops an ending that almost everyone thinks is superior in favor of an ending that almost everyone thinks is ridiculous and then refuses to budge when the mistake is there for all to see? Who does that?

[SirBob1613]

Don't use the word beg they should be begging us we are the ones that give are money to them and what did i get for 60 dollars a crappy ending to a great series and being lied to

[K. S. Black]

The dark energy at least was hinted at in ME1 with the mass relays, ftl, eezo, and biotics all having something to do with dark energy. Then ME2 hinted at what dark energy was doing to the galaxy with Haestrom's star and Object Rho was giving off dark energy pulses which was how the scientist found out about the countdown. With human's being genetically diverce also hinted to where the story was going, giving the human reaper significance to the main dark energy story. ME2 also built up Harbinger who would have presented the two options to you in ME3. I'm sure ME3 would have given more hints to dark energy both how it can affect the galaxy as well as how it can be stopped using the genetic code of a species.

But now in the ME3 we have, we lose the real purpose of ME2 like if the reapers wanted to "preserve" organic life in reaper form, why did they change them into collectors? Now there's some godchild that could have activated the citadel at anytime (not to mention it's circular logic of using synthetics to wipe out organics so other synthetics don't wipe out organics), and Harbinger loses any buildup we were given to just a cameo appearance at the end, shooting at Shepard (though if you just start a new game with no import, you don't even know it's Harbinger).

It is my opinion that they should have went with the original concept of dark energy. It would have resulted in a great trilogy that wouldn't have introduced us with a new character in the last 5 minutes of the game and just ruins all three games. I had high hopes for this last installment of the series (and don't get me wrong, everything up until the godchild was excellent).

[Blacklash93]

lol I think I'm the one being paraphrased in the second spoiler section detailing the Reapers canon motivation. I made a post just like that on the Spoiler group around that time. I never said the game attempts to justify singularity with the "all it takes is one time" thing and stuff like that but rather it was rather they were personal theories and rationalizations of mine.

Frankly I refined my opinion about singularity when I actually saw it explained and I think both motivations suck with the current explanations of them:

- Dark Energy makes humans to be the undisputed saviors of the galaxy and we have enough human-wanking in this series already. And if the Reapers are running out of time then god forbid they have enough time to actually excecute a galaxy-saving plan involving abstract matter/energy if the human reaper can actually come up with something. Also why would a supercomputer solving a problem like this have to be AI from organic minds? Also the Reapers would look like hypocrites kind of in the same vein of Singularity considering they use dark energy to power themselves.

- Singularity... while the theories I made to justify it are still reasonable it was not explained properly at all. The Catlyst's bare-bones elaboration left much to be desired and spun tons of speculation(!). Also it begs the question if there were alternatives to just killing organics in order to prevent Singularity.

Dark Energy could be rationalized to make sense, I suppose. But current information on it makes it just as shaky as Singularity now is. Without good details both motivations seem bad. Dark Energy has the blatant foreshadowing behind it in ME2, but that doesn't make it sound any better conceptually as a motivation for the Reapers.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 16 juin 2012 - 07:55 .

[EnvyTB075]

Thread should read "Please re-make Mass Effect 3". Sticking the original plot onto the end of the game wouldn't make sense.

[Armass81]

Gotta love how people call this "original ending"... It was one of the ideas on the table, that was discarded, nothing more. Drew himself said so.

Modifié par Armass81, 16 juin 2012 - 08:24 .