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[John Locke N7]

Militarized wrote...

The dark energy/singularity thing is all pointless to me, dark energy would have been a better twist but when they scrapped it and turned ME3 into a more action oriented game

what are you talking about? the choice to make mass effect into a more action oriented game happened in ME2. its happened THERE. And the story was still dark energy.

[Malachite73]

movieguyabw wrote...

Eh, that's still not very good. They should've just not had the Guardian scene in the first place. Who cares if we know why the Reapers are doing all of this?

I disagree, I think the Dark Enegry would have made the ending better... however, I would agree with you on that fact that since BW felt compelled to change the ending because of the leak, making the Reaper s unknowable is a much better (and Lovecraftian) idea than what they did.

[Rhayth]

If they had cut it where you're sitting with Anderson looking down as the Crucible fires, killing all the Reapers I could have been much more satisfied with that personally. I liked the whole idea of preserving life by not letting it evolve til it ultimately killed everything. It's so much like the Salarians thing with Krogans. Don't do it cause of the stats. It's the same thing, so I totally understand the motive.

I just didn't like the Human Revolution choices, and the universe being handicapped into taking some X amount of time to rebuild new Mass Relays (because the Asari were working on their own)

[Greed1914]

YungD815 wrote...

TeamLexana wrote...

My only problem with the ending is my crew gets stranded. I've played enough ME to know that's a BAD thing. They don't deserve that crap. SAVE THE NORMANDY CREW.

THIS! And that Liara flashback when I romanced Tali.

I could forgive a lot if the choices I made regarding my crew weren't negated.  Liara showing up was weird too.  Yeah, I romanced her in ME1 and carried it as long as possible through 2 and 3, but I ended up with Tali.  Then again, this is the same ending that looks mostly identical save for the color of the beams. 

[Illusive]

Did they change it because of the Xbox beta leak (4-5 months ago), or was this some incident much earlier?

[ReachEtaruN74]

jreezy wrote...

Because obviously there is conclusive evidence that the ending was changed. Oh wait...no there isn't.

... Well... I suppose if you ignore Mass Effect 1 and 2 and the lore that they present, then since bioware has not made an official statement, deniability is a plausible course of action.
Like I said earlier, given the lore and hints at dark energy and the pattern of the reapers ("salvation through destruction") along with the implausibility of the current ending with the lore of the geth's desired relationship with the creators (quarians), it is logical that the dark matter ending is plausible and the current one is not.

[Faraborne]

OMG, that Dark Energy theory is awesome! Those ending options would have been so powerful. Forget how ME3 ended, I just want to give the writer of this idea credit for coming up with such an amazingly good idea. Drew, please write a book with this concept.

That would cause the Reapers to make perfect sense and present a true ethical dilemna. Wow, yeah I like that as a story concept so well. I'm not even worried about the ME3 ending right now, just kudos to the writer who thought this up!

[Luigitornado]

I don't really like it.

I like the motivation of the Reapers as it is now. It kind of bugs me that Haestrom's sun was never really explained (was it?), but I can live with it.

It's just those three final choices...those three choices which is why everyone is in an uproar.

[Kmead15]

Eh, don't like this ending. Genetic diversity and dark energy are actual things. The thought that one could be the cure of the other is... laughable. I can't say I like the "Oh no, synthetics are totally going to wipe organic civilization out unless I wipe organic civilizations out with my synthetics" explanation, but at that that is merely idiocy from the people who made the Reapers instead of complete nonsensibility from the universe.

[Tigerjunky]

I just want my crew saved.

[GBGriffin]

Tigerjunky wrote...

I just want my crew saved.

I'm sorry, this just reminded of Harrison Ford's perpertual desire to save his family.

[Malachite73]

Arios1570 wrote...

I'm sorry, but the dark energy reason for the reapers doesn't fit. Especially if the Crucible was made to solve the problem. "What? You're building the thing we need to complete our mission?! That's it, we're running off with the thing you need to complete the job!" If that were the case, the reapers would have stopped harvesting and moved to help set up the Crucible.

I don't understand your post... the Crucible was introduced in 3, and the whole game is speculation about what is could do.  So what if it destorys the Reapers?  That would give the orignal 2 ideas for the Dark Energy ending.... destroy the Reapers with the Crucible, or destroy the Crucible and submit humanity to become another Reaper.

[Luigitornado]

ReachEtaruN74 wrote...

Sharkey1337 wrote...

Hm, idk I kinda prefer the current endings to the Dark Energy ending, simply as it stuck more closely to the theme of synthetics vs organics, which the Geth vs Quarian war embodied.

The story line of the geth vs. quarians only proves that peace is possible. I do not see how the geth/quarian struggle supports your argument at all. The geth's self determination and (at least my paragon playthrough) co-existence proves that the argument that conflict is inevitable is moot.

It doesn't even prove peace is possible. For all we know they could have ended up killing each other. Even Tali expressed some concern about how the Geth were "helping" the Quarians....in that they may go too far.

[Zeju]

The writing in ME3 was brilliant. Script writing.

Plot writing was.. Horrible. If I was BioWare I would have a serious discussion with their writing team about their future.

[Militarized]

John Locke N7 wrote...

Militarized wrote...

The dark energy/singularity thing is all pointless to me, dark energy would have been a better twist but when they scrapped it and turned ME3 into a more action oriented game

what are you talking about? the choice to make mass effect into a more action oriented game happened in ME2. its happened THERE. And the story was still dark energy.

No I understand that bro that was kind of my point, they already threw out the dark energy concept so what I feel our only hope is for them to recreate the end to mimic ME3 with war assessets spawning certain cinematics and your readyness level effecting how those assessets do when you fight the reapers... just like when you fly into the omega 4 relay and depending on your upgrades or lack of you get specific scenes. 

So, the dark energy thing would be nice and all but to save it I'd just go with what ME2 did for an ending. Rape Reaper face if you did things right. 

[askanec]

Drew Karpyshyn's proposed dilemma is:

(a) Kill the Reapers and put your faith in the races of the galaxy in finding another way to stop the spread with what little time is left

or

( Sacrifice humanity, allowing them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will justify the means.

In option (a), you are putting the entire galaxy at risk. There is no certainty a solution might be found. Everyone could be wiped out. It's a danger that is bigger than the Reapers. Even they can't solve it.

However, in (, you are sacrificing the humans so everyone else can be saved. One race out of many others. There is no 100% certainty, but there is at least a better chance. Surely, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

That is a no-brainer. Assuming the Reapers are telling the truth, as I see it, the only right answer is (. Basically, this is just an illusion of choice. I'd like to hear the justification of people who would select (a).

In any case, the players would not know the outcome of their decision (the outcome cannot be shown or people will simply reload and select the right one, thereby making the "choice" even more pointless). We're simply switching the Reapers for dark-energy-crisis. How would such an "ending" be better? Can the galaxy defeat real boss Dark Energy? Big question mark. The end.

[GBGriffin]

Zeju wrote...

The writing in ME3 was brilliant. Script writing.

Plot writing was.. Horrible. If I was BioWare I would have a serious discussion with their writing team about their future.

I agree.

Hell, I have never stood by two npcs for any considerable length of time before this, but listening to some of the ambient dialogue was just amazing.

To go even further, even Emily Wong's last Twitter was memorable to me!

[ReachEtaruN74]

Arios1570 wrote...

I'm sorry, but the dark energy reason for the reapers doesn't fit. Especially if the Crucible was made to solve the problem. "What? You're building the thing we need to complete our mission?! That's it, we're running off with the thing you need to complete the job!" If that were the case, the reapers would have stopped harvesting and moved to help set up the Crucible.

The cruicible is in Mass Effect 3. Mass Effect 3 as a whole seems to ignore the lore of the previous two games as well as the books so to use information within that game that does not fit in the universe cannot be used as a logical support of the current ending. It only goes to show that the lore was ignored in the creation of the third installment.

However, I think that the cruicible could be a salvagable part of the ME lore. Because the "catalyst" has "something to do with dark energy," it is possible that perhaps it is a focusing point for the dark energy of the universe. A means for the Reapers to slow the spread of dark energy while controlling the evolution of organics so as to limit the damge that they cause to the galaxy. Plus, any sentient species have a self-preservation instinct which the dark energy ending supports as the reapers are attempting to preserve their continued existence and the existence of the galaxy as a whole.

[Thunder AI]

my understanding was that this was done in the movies before the end. like how i had a video showing the cerberus fighters up close doing their thing.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Right because 2 choices gives us more 'scope' than 3 choices doesn't it... 

/sarcasm

I'm ok with the current endings, they give more 'choice' than the alleged 'original' ending did.

[Malachite73]

Kmead15 wrote...

Eh, don't like this ending. Genetic diversity and dark energy are actual things. The thought that one could be the cure of the other is... laughable. I can't say I like the "Oh no, synthetics are totally going to wipe organic civilization out unless I wipe organic civilizations out with my synthetics" explanation, but at that that is merely idiocy from the people who made the Reapers instead of complete nonsensibility from the universe.

True... the Dark Matter may not have been the most sensicle ending, but I think Bioware would have about 3/4s less people on the forum complaining if it had been used.  Its just salt in the wound because the original writer made this ending, so on that note, whether it is science or not, it should have been used.

[deathscythe517]

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

Malachite73 wrote...

Sharkey1337 wrote...

Hm, idk I kinda prefer the current endings to the Dark Energy ending, simply as it stuck more closely to the theme of synthetics vs organics, which the Geth vs Quarian war embodied.

But the fact you can get the Geth and Quarians to work together means that the current endings are bogus.  Besides, can you honesly tell me the Reapers are so "unknowable" when thier intentions are actually almost too simple?  The Dark Energy ending at least gives the Reapers that continued Lovecraftian feeling.

Not everyone makes lasting peace. It's very possible for a Shepard who fails at making peace to believe that conflict is inevitable. Metagaming I know that there are best possible outcomes but the character doesn't necesarily.

Too bad we NEVER get to see the repercussions of our actions but of the half-baked ending some of you are defending.  I could stomach the plot holes if there was some kind of resolution to all the crap you did but instead you're left wondering 'what the hell just happened?" and why Shepard lost his spine in the last act of the game.

[XyleJKH]

Ughh... I'm glad so many fans are literally down because of how bad me3 ended. Think they will fix it? Mike gamble got really defensive about the game and foreshadowed a dlc that could fix it... hopefully they will... take my money bioware LOL

[AlexMBrennan]

Huh... I wouldn't have guessed that

[deathscythe517]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Right because 2 choices gives us more 'scope' than 3 choices doesn't it... 

/sarcasm

I'm ok with the current endings, they give more 'choice' than the alleged 'original' ending did.

So ****ing the universe with different colors is considered choice? Personally I think the Catalyst is ultimately the reason the ending sucked so much, if you removed that.../thing/ you'd probably see a lot less complaining.