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[kj0600]

So that's where the dark energy plot went. I'd be happy with two endings like this.

Modifié par kj0600, 10 mars 2012 - 05:44 .

[Thalorin1919]

deathscythe517 wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Right because 2 choices gives us more 'scope' than 3 choices doesn't it... 

/sarcasm

I'm ok with the current endings, they give more 'choice' than the alleged 'original' ending did.

So ****ing the universe with different colors is considered choice? Personally I think the Catalyst is ultimately the reason the ending sucked so much, if you removed that.../thing/ you'd probably see a lot less complaining.

Did you not think there would be an enormous cost to destroying an enemy like the Reapers? Did you think no sacrifices would be made by ending this horrific cycle?

It was all conclusive. Shepard ended the Reapers and no longer will they harm the galaxy. What does this mean? The survivors now will rebuild and maybe one day in the future their descendants will make it to the stars to meet up with the ones that were lost long ago - all without the technology of their past destroyers. 

Many of you don't understand the severity of what the Reapers. You guys complain about deus ex machine being used here but the endings you persist for would require nothing else but deus ex machina. Save everyone and Shepard and keep current technology and the entire galaxy intact? Give me a break. 

[Revan312]

Why couldn't the Reapers just simply be bad guys? Why do they need some overarching motivation that's in reality an attempt to save the galaxy? Really, why? Even the dark energy story seems contrived. After the conversation with Sovereign, it really didn't feel like the Reapers were here to "help us by hurting us" It seemed like they just wanted us gone. We were nothing to them, unless sovy was just BSing, and then the Reapers seem even more petty and retarded..

I'm not one that usually enjoys overdone cliches, but this story felt like that's what it was, good vs evil, from an overarching story perspective. Even if they insisted on making the motivation for them something outside of pure domination, they could have at least made it more coherent and less ridiculous.

Have them admit that a greater force is coming in 50 million years, one that even the Reapers fear, and that they harvest us to prepare for their own coming conflict. Have them harvest every cycle because of a simple fear that soon the current races would surpass them in numbers and might become potential threats. Have them do it for a simple need of reproduction. Have them do it because they're waiting for the "perfect" organic race to appear through countless cycles of evolution. Anything but what was given.. gah.

Also, anyone else pissed that we never even got to talk to a Reaper in this? The last two games yes, the final, which deals exclusively with their invasion and subsequent eradication of organic civilizations, nope... wtf?..

[Lmaoboat]

I'd rather the Reapers motivations never really be understandable. It would fit with that whole Lovecraftian vibe they had going.

[redbaron76]

We are the reapers , we will assimilate organics resistance is futile. And usually somethingawefull is only speculative he does not have shred of proof to support his statements.Drew Karpuyshin was never the lead writer of ME, That was always job of Patrick Weekes.

[MPSai]

That definitely sounds like a better motivation, the endings didn't bother me as much as some people though. But, this whole dark energy thing sounds a bit like spiral energy... from another series where the villains were looking to halt the evolution of organic life to stop the universe from being destroyed.

Row row fight the powah.

[askanec]

Zeju wrote...

A thousand people like Mordin, put their heads together. Humans, Salarians, Asari, Turians, your telling me a united galaxy couldnt solve the Dark Energy threat? It's alot easier when there arnt 300 Soverign-class reapers raping your planet.

Perhaps you've noted that the entire galaxy coming together still have zero chance of defeating the Reapers (in a conventional fight). You can argue how there's a chance if we all just work together, but that's just how the story is.

I can't see any moral justification for choosing to take a huge gamble on the lives of everyone in the galaxy, over sacrificing one race so the rest might have a chance of making it. In a story sense, as I also mentioned, such an ending would have even less closure compared to the current one in-game. Maybe everyone will live. Maybe everyone will die. Who knows? The end.

[Sidac]

ReachEtaruN74 wrote...

I hate to be the jerk who criticizes all the hard work done and from the sidelines at that, but I don't know who decided that changed the overall story arc was a good idea, but you had the most brilliant ending dropped into your lap and you threw it away for an ending that in no way gives any sort of justice to the masterpiece you almost created -- the legacy you almost left.

Do something.

Bring back the original writers for an "Ilos," for a "suicide mission," and for a "take earth back."

Please. FIX THIS. I BEG YOU.

http://www.ign.com/b...lers.250066288/

EDIT: I don't care if you patch it, or DLC it. Do SOMETHING. Your fans deserve this.

Holy crap! I liked the endings in places for ME3 but, that original idea is AMAZING! Why would BW toss out such a good idea?! I get their technological synergy idea but the first idea l was so much better.

[Zulakkar]

This whole series has been grand.....I avoided spoilers....I did not even play the demo.....I got the CE for the sake of suporting the team.... and I got the worse ending that I could ever hope......really why did we get the options between doom , ragnarok and the apocalypse..... This ending left me with a bad taste.... I wish I had never played it. Do not get me wrong the game is grand but the ending's and their motivations are just bull. I must agree with other posters please give us something else for an ending as these felt just wrong, heck the smaller deaths like Samaras daughter felt more epic then this sorry excuse for an ending.....

This was not worthy of being called an ending for ME series, pathetic.

[LPPrince]

The lack of the Haestrom plotline threw me off when I played.

I noticed immediately that the quarians were right by Haestrom, and I was like, "Oh God, dark energy and exploding stars, here we come"

Aaaaaaand no payoff.

LOLWUT

[Cosmar]

I would have loved either the Dark Energy or Technological Singularity ideas. Both of them seem a lot more in line with the spirit of the franchise, much more than the "space magic," philosophical/nonsensical/pseudo-religious bullcrap we were force-fed by the retarded star child.

[Malachite73]

Thalorin1919 wrote...

deathscythe517 wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Right because 2 choices gives us more 'scope' than 3 choices doesn't it... 

/sarcasm

I'm ok with the current endings, they give more 'choice' than the alleged 'original' ending did.

So ****ing the universe with different colors is considered choice? Personally I think the Catalyst is ultimately the reason the ending sucked so much, if you removed that.../thing/ you'd probably see a lot less complaining.

 

Did you not think there would be an enormous cost to destroying an enemy like the Reapers? Did you think no sacrifices would be made by ending this horrific cycle?

It was all conclusive. Shepard ended the Reapers and no longer will they harm the galaxy. What does this mean? The survivors now will rebuild and maybe one day in the future their descendants will make it to the stars to meet up with the ones that were lost long ago - all without the technology of their past destroyers. 

Many of you don't understand the severity of what the Reapers. You guys complain about deus ex machine being used here but the endings you persist for would require nothing else but deus ex machina. Save everyone and Shepard and keep current technology and the entire galaxy intact? Give me a break. 

Its not that the cost wouldn't be big (I personally didn't mind the idea of Shepard having to die), but this new ending came out of nowhere.  The dark energy was hinted at as a problem, so its not Deus Ex Machina.  The fact the Catalyst left plans for the Crucible, an item capable of disrupting the cycle, even though it clearly wanted the cycle to continue makes the current ending Deus Ex Machina... especailly since that was all revealed in the last 5 minutes.  If they had just hinted at this ending earlier, it would have gone a long way in making it more acceptable (poping the idea of now the relays die no matter what is a big thing for the Catalyst to just pull out of its hat at that end).

I agree the cost had to be big, but the current endings leave no room for interesting future stories within the lore.  If Star Trek ended with warp travel disappearing, it would ruin any future the series could have.

[ReachEtaruN74]

Thalorin1919 wrote...

I'm sorry, but that ending doesn't make any sense. A lot of you are jumping the bandwagon just to say it's a good ending because it fits with your personalized idea of seeing events go your away such as everyone living happily ever after and all that.

The Reapers have been reaping for 37 billion years at least according to the age of that dead one in ME2 where we get the IFF. Don't you the dark energy problem would of had accumulated to something by now, solved or not? I'm not a space expert but 37 billion years of a buildup to a dark energy problem - one that is evolving slowly, but something that has worried the Reapers somehow for that long - is not really that logical.

Plus, that is sort of a cop out making the Reapers all of the sudden the good guys trying to save the universe when they are murdering civilizations over and over without choice or explanation and instead insisting how much more powerful they are - the way the Reapers act implicate that they are not trying to save the universe, but more so another purpose.

The current ending now is better. People don't like it because they say it doesn't fit. Why not? Often the biggest mysterys in series are not revealed until the end, there is no reason for you to know everything up to that point. I think the issue of organics and synthetics has always been prominent since the beginning and has build up to this point.

Either way, the endings could of had been expanded on in some ways where they could be plausible. In my opinion I sort of wished that we never knew the origins and the motivations of the Reapers...that's what made them so terrifying.

First, this does not make the reapers the good guys. They have taken on the "end justifies the means" in its most extreme form similar to Cerberus.
Second, you are correct that Drews ending has greater potential for happy endings, but let's be honest. Is any of the current endings even remotely satisfying when the implications are fully understood? (also every mass relay blowing up and the galaxy continuing in existence does not make sense)

Ok listen.

YES. The dark energy ending *has the potential* for happier or at least more satisfying endings than what are currently in place.
YES. The cost of the fighting the reapers would be high. To think otherwise after witnessing the destruction of sovreign is pure madness.
YES. There will always be unresolved plot points that leave a pit in the bottom of the stomach.

^^ these are all subsidiary issues here. Get past them.

My biggest issue here is that the current ending does not fit within the lore provided by 1 and 2.

Also, Drew himself said that he felt that he got unneccesary praise for the story of ME. Yes he was not the only writer. He is however the most recognizable name that can be universally agreed upon as responsible. For those of you who want to argue semantics, feel free to list every name. In my opinion, EVERY writer who had even the least bit of influence over the Mass Effect storyline are geniuses. By combining their knowleges through cooperation, they only strengthened the universe.

It is glaringly obvious that the current ending does not fit within the universe in the same degree of efficiency as the the dark matter ending. And if you want to debate this point, please at least suppliment your points with examples from the lore. Also reading the earlier posts would be beneficial to a well rounded comment.

[TheLostGenius]

Shepard is a hero, and thankfully a classic one. In classic heroic archetype, the hero usually sacrifices himself.

[Tazzmission]

Malachite73 wrote...

Amen... why would they throw out Drew Karpyshyn's ending. The Dark Energy idea is brilliant.

as much as i like the current ending i do agree that yea drews ending is alot better


i think they did that because he quit honestly

[Ultra Prism]

we spent money to enjoy and prosper ... not to get depressed by a video game

[Sajuro]

Refara wrote...

Wow, the dark energy plot makes MUCH more sense.

Really? If they went with that ending then there would be a mountain of complaint threads about how "Humans are Speshul" in Mass Effect

[Malachite73]

TheLostGenius wrote...

Shepard is a hero, and thankfully a classic one. In classic heroic archetype, the hero usually sacrifices himself.

Great point, and I agree... but it is not Shepard dying that bothers me... its is a random new ending that ceases any ability for the universe to have future stories. 

Besides, it's not an RPG when when you only have one choice: die and blow up the relays.

[Fred_Shepard]

Man just reading about the "Dark Energy" idea seems awesome...Bioware really needs to do something to retcon the endings, from what I've been seeing. I've still got to start my game, but I really hope Bioware can put out a patch or something to alter the endings to something that would be in line with the previous ME games.

[Malachite73]

Sajuro wrote...

Refara wrote...

Wow, the dark energy plot makes MUCH more sense.

Really? If they went with that ending then there would be a mountain of complaint threads about how "Humans are Speshul" in Mass Effect

Sure, but I think there would be a lot less complaints about the ending though.

[keoushe]

...i would be more then definatley mad if they released dlc of an alternate ending when i played and beat the game yesterday i was more then definately furious playing through it all the tention had built up and i was ready to see everything come to fruitation in all honesty i just wanted to see what would happen after the war i wanted to see the future that would happen with everyone else like your romances and choices you made. bioware PLEAAAAAAASE fix it

[adawg828]

As per Michael Gamble on Twitter. Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever.

Maybe it is some special ending. Hopefully because the old Mass Effect 3 plot with the Dark Energy seems a lot cooler.

[Kmead15]

Malachite73 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Refara wrote...

Wow, the dark energy plot makes MUCH more sense.

Really? If they went with that ending then there would be a mountain of complaint threads about how "Humans are Speshul" in Mass Effect

Sure, but I think there would be a lot less complaints about the ending though.

Are you kidding? There's be no closure in that ending either, because you wouldn't be allowed to know if the Dark Energy crisis was solveable. If they tell us anything, then it makes the choice a simple right and wrong answer.

[John Locke N7]

The reason why it sucked is because the game sets up every single emotional stake in the reaper being simple badguys.

EDI (and AI) says - "The reapers are repulsive"

the ending the way it is invalidates curing the genophage, saving the geth, everything.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

I want to find the person that did the original leak and beat the hell out of him!! No wonder the ending to this game felt rushed ITS BECAUSE IT WAS!!!