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[NubXL]

Figures.  Drew stops writing the books, they turn to ****.  Leaves the game's writing team, the ending is changed for the worse.  I completely forgot about Haestrom.

Modifié par NubXL, 10 mars 2012 - 07:31 .

[pomrink]

I'm begging you bioware. Please. At least make it dlc. Id pay good money.

[Malachite73]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Malachite73 wrote...
Amen... why would they throw out Drew Karpyshyn's ending. The Dark Energy idea is brilliant.

No it isn't.It has just as many plot holes as the synthetic/organic plot. The choice we make at the end of ME3 actually isn't bad, there should've just been an additional choice:

If you rewrite the geth, encourage Joker/EDI, and make peace between the geth and the quarians, you can prove to the Catalyst that the reasoning for the cycle was wrong. The Catalyst then makes all Reapers fly into the black hole at the centre of the galaxy before destroying itself. Shepard survives the explosion if you have 4000+ EMC.   

No, no, I can agree with that.  I like the dark energy ending personally... but an ending like what you have shown could have worked (I like that an event from the game helps the outcome... they needed a lot more of that).  I just don't like the current ends given... it needs to be changed.

Besides, the whole scope of ME3 with one of the original writers (Drew) im sure a lot of the plot holes would have been worked out... after all, we only have a couple sentences to see what they were planning... im sure there is more.

Modifié par Malachite73, 10 mars 2012 - 07:36 .

[Dracotamer]

A 100000000 tim3s better!

[Mannar]

First of all forgive me for my eanglish.
33 hours of pure happyness. And tears when friends are fall. And last fight for all of us: human, geth, asari. Last kiss from Lyara. And after that..... pure nothing. I understand that in war of such size Hero will die im most of ends. But why not make one way, even if we need to do something incredible for this, where Sheppard alive (with many little asari and Lyara =) )? I'm not agree with hopeless ends of story. DLS or patch or...Damn DO SOMETHING!

[pomrink]

Madlabba wrote...

First of all forgive me for my eanglish.
33 hours of pure happyness. And tears when friends are fall. And last fight for all of us: human, geth, asari. Last kiss from Lyara. And after that..... pure nothing. I understand that in war of such size Hero will die im most of ends. But why not make one way, even if we need to do something incredible for this, where Sheppard alive (with many little asari and Lyara =) )? I'm not agree with hopeless ends of story. DLS or patch or...Damn DO SOMETHING!

this

[marshalleck]

NubXL wrote...

  I completely forgot about Haestrom.

Well it probably wouldn't have been all that compelling as end-game then. You'd just be here saying "that was the end? I'd completely forgotten about Haestrom. Couldn't they have done something more central to the story, like organic vs. synthetic conflict?"

Modifié par marshalleck, 10 mars 2012 - 07:50 .

[The_ilest]

ahem mass effect 4-6 new plot........1-3 evolution plot. 4-6 save them selves from self extinction.

[themaltaproject]

Can I add that this definitely wouldn't be a "quick fix" and would probably take a recall of all console discs to accomplish?

[Ice Cold J]

I agree... this made sense given all that had happened.

And show us what all our choices brought about. I suspect they will have reprocussions past how many shock troops we have or how many fleets we can bring to the fight.

[Gryphon7]

marshalleck wrote...
Well it probably wouldn't have been all that compelling as end-game then. You'd just be here saying "that was the end? I'd completely forgotten about Haestrom. Couldn't they have done something more central to the story, like organic vs. synthetic conflict?"

Actually, the dark energy ending makes a lot more sense in the context of the series' universe.

It's certainly more believable for a race, made up of sentient machines born from entire civilizations melted down into their base genetic material in an effort to draw out their species' essence, to have a goal that transcends mortal understanding until it's revealed to them.

One could come up with all manner of plot-hole filler for their motivations for the extinction event. I could personally. The point is that this ending fits the tone a lot more closely than the circular logic and deus ex machina we've been presented with.

[davo058]

i've been waiting so long for ME3, i was so happy to play it, but the ending, i feel so awful, i play ME because it is different from my life, it is something i can go to when im feeling down, but to make the game ending so depressing, i don't know that i can play it again, seeing femshep die like that, everything i had done, to be given the choice on just how to die. I don't want to be cruel, i have no malice towards bioware, i just want them to understand, somehow, that it is really really ok to have a DLC ending that results in things being ok. im not sure how i can say this any clearer. please bioware, i would very much appreciate an ending with shepard living.

i think the worst part about this is i have no way to reach them apart from these forums, i know my opinion alone is not worth doing it but please, would you consider a happy ending if people asked for it? could you maybe state that you at least are aware of the issues people have with the ending? please understand i am grateful that you work on these games, i understand not everyone can be happy, but please, find a way to allow a happy ending, it would mean so much to me and im sure others. i don’t know what else to say so i’ll stop, i just feel so awful after the ending, other games can be sad, but this ending is not as much sad as it is ...... hurtful.

[WeAreLegionWTF]

"The Reapers' goal was to find a way to stop the spread of Dark
Energy which would eventually consume everything. That's why there was
so much foreshadowing about Dark Energy in ME2.



The Reapers as a whole were 'nations' of people who had fused
together in the most horrific way possible to help find a way to stop
the spread of the Dark Energy. The real reason for the Human Reaper was
supposed to be the Reapers saving throw because they had run out of
time. Humanity in Mass Effect is supposedly unique because of it's
genetic diversity and represented the universe's best chance at stopping
Dark Energy's spread.



The original final choice was going to be "Kill the Reapers and put
your faith in the races of the galaxy in finding another way to stop the
spread with what little time is left" or "Sacrifice humanity, allowing
them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will
justify the means."


This is actually pretty brilliant, It's insightful, raises a whole lot of new possibilities and most importantly UNIQUE.

hmm organics vs synthetics? been there done that, in every science fiction work since the 1920s.

[pomrink]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Anyone who thinks Dark Energy would have been a good ending, please explain to me where this is referenced as important in the games.

Ever.

Because it isn't.

It's mentioned twice.

Where is robots ineviatably killing every single organic mentioned before they started retconning?

[pomrink]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

pomrink wrote...

Where is robots ineviatably killing every single organic mentioned before they started retconning?

The issue here is the "original" ending, not the ending that was used. Stay on topic.

It is on topic. I'm using your argument to show the illogic of it. The referrences to dark matter are few and far in between because it was decided the ending would be changed. 5 referrences is more then we got for the current ending.

[Drayvenn]

This makes SO much more sense.

[Almostfaceman]

As much as I'd like to see this, the most I see happening (and I highly doubt it'll happen) is that they'll add more choices for the end when you're talking to Reaper Organic Jesus (Catalyst) with subsequent additional cut-scenes and perhaps some polish or explanation on current cut-scenes. That would be the easiest thing to do.

[Sajuro]

pomrink wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Anyone who thinks Dark Energy would have been a good ending, please explain to me where this is referenced as important in the games.

Ever.

Because it isn't.

It's mentioned twice.

Where is robots ineviatably killing every single organic mentioned before they started retconning?

If I'm not mistaken, the synthetics having a hatred for organics is mentioned in ME1, especially with Tali's justification for the actions that started the morning war the "if we didn't kill them, they would kill us" and when people talk about how Synthetics don't need organics so why wouldn't they kill them.

[pomrink]

The original isn't absurd. We don have enough details to make that judgement, i disagree with your points on all counts


Edit: to the poster right before me, that is a throwaway statement meant to justify a genocide. which is later proven wrong.

Modifié par pomrink, 10 mars 2012 - 09:06 .

[Harbinger of Hope]

My question is: Why did we need them explained at all? I feel like them explaining their reasons just diminishes them as an antagonist. Leaving them as this mysterious, unknowable, force of nature is much more frighting then "lol we are teh janitors!" or "lol dawg, we are mostly synthetics trying to prevent sythetics from killing organics by killing the organics, lololol". Why in this society do people think we need everything explained? I, personally, am perfectly content with "You can't know our reasons because we are to advanced".

[Sajuro]

Drayvenn wrote...

This makes SO much more sense.

Dark energy consuming everything? I always thought it was just technobabble they put it to point to and say 'look! sci-fi!'
Also you have fable three if you want a poorly explained darkness killing everything and an initial antagonist who turns out to having tried stopping it the entire time.

[Kabraxal]

How anyone thinks this "original" ending was better... *facepalm*

Countless cycles of death and millions of years to combat...... dark energy. Wooooooooo. That makes so much more sense then an actual philosophical principle of cyclical being in nature and the methods some use to control it. O, let's not forget the debate about the "worth" or soul of artificial intelligence vs the soul of organics. Yeah... all that is far less worthy than some menace that somehow requires trillions upon trilllions of deaths and untold suffering to..... what exactly? O right... there is no victory listed there, just chance.

I much prefer the current endings then the dark energy one. That would have been far worse.