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[vigna]

Sovereign stated that the Mass Relays and the Citadel were there to ensure civilization  evolved in a direction they had chosen. So that they would be more easily conquered.

Isn't picking one of the three choices ultimately doing this exact thing? Why risk using an object like the crucible at all when it was based on so much Reaper tech? I understand that no one believed Shepard at all until it was all but too late. But why would, Shephard use such technology at all? Wouldn't there be more second guessing. I know that is why "my" Shepard destroyed the Collector base. Not because the base was simply a genocidal monstrosity, but because using that tech would simply advance the reaper goals.

Wouldn't using the Citadel/Crucible simply be playing into the Reaper guidlines?

I dunno. It doesn't seem like Shepard ever questions it, or that plotline was mostly glossed over...Pretty important to toss it aside so easily.

Thoughts?

Modifié par vigna, 10 mars 2012 - 04:37 .

[Landline]

If you ask me, which you just did, Bioware didn't think any of that through.

[movieguyabw]

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[QuirkyGroundhog]

Yeah, the Crucible is just another part of the Reaper, or really, whatever built the Reaper's guidelines. When a civilization completes the Crucible it's time for the next stage. As for why you'd be hesitant? Well...sure. I guess you can/should be. But at that point do you have any other options? You knew the Crucible was your only chance, and this is what it is it's kind of taken out of your hands. Use it or everyone dies.


Which is a fair criticism, it being taken out of your hands, but there's no plot issue here. There's a 'I feel like there's less room for roleplaying with this sort of ending', but it's not any sort of break in the plot or character.

[vigna]

Instead of plot hole I guess it should be illogical line of thinking?

[Berserkuh]

The Citadel is revealed to be used for the Crucible really late into the game, at around the same point where the Prothean VI states that the Crucible is a plan millions of years into the making. Basically, the Mass Effect relays have existed BEFORE the plan, and the Crucibles were made to adapt. It's obvious, really. The Reaper had a plan to erase every civilization, every 50 000 years using the Mass Effect relays. The civilizations came up with a contingency plan, which leads the Reapers into thinking that they're winning and that everything is going as planned. It's merely thinking one step ahead.

[Luigitornado]

It's based one the accumulation of knowledge of organic life. Not really a plot hole.

[vigna]

Berserkuh wrote...

The Citadel is revealed to be used for the Crucible really late into the game, at around the same point where the Prothean VI states that the Crucible is a plan millions of years into the making. Basically, the Mass Effect relays have existed BEFORE the plan, and the Crucibles were made to adapt. It's obvious, really. The Reaper had a plan to erase every civilization, every 50 000 years using the Mass Effect relays. The civilizations came up with a contingency plan, which leads the Reapers into thinking that they're winning and that everything is going as planned. It's merely thinking one step ahead.

So, you're saying using reaper tech to combat the reapers is wise, and that the "little blue boy" isn't a result of Reaper tech usage?
The little blue boy is a direct result of using the reaper tech....which is what the reapers want...correct?

[vigna]

Luigitornado wrote...

It's based one the accumulation of knowledge of organic life. Not really a plot hole.

The catalyst is a result of this organic knowledge too?

[Reiella]

vigna wrote...

Sovereign stated that the Mass Relays and the Citadel were there to ensure civilization  evolved in a direction they had chosen. So that they would be more easily conquered.

Isn't picking one of the three choices ultimately doing this exact thing? Why risk using an object like the crucible at all when it was based on so much Reaper tech? I understand that no one believed Shepard at all until it was all but too late. But why would, Shephard use such technology at all? Wouldn't there be more second guessing. I know that is why "my" Shepard destroyed the Collector base. Not because the base was simply a genocidal monstrosity, but because using that tech would simply advance the reaper goals.

Wouldn't using the Citadel/Crucible simply be playing into the Reaper guidlines?

I dunno. It doesn't seem like Shepard ever questions it, or that plotline was mostly glossed over...Pretty important to toss it aside so easily.

Thoughts?

Mostly as Option #4 is "Let the Reapers continue doing their Reaping thing."

Even when you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

[JishanF]

 I think some of you don't pay enough attention what is said during the end of the game. Whoever or whatever the child represents, it believes that synthetics and organics cannot co-exist. To that end, in order to stop the chaos that ensues from when organic life creates synthetic life, it created the Reapers to force balance on the galaxy. Whenever a species or any group of species reaches a level of technology that includes synthetic life, the Reapers come and harvest them, remove most traces of their existence, and then return to dark space and wait. The purpose of the Mass Relays and the Citadel, along with the trace information or archives left behind by the harvest species is to ensure that the cycle continues. If all space-faring species develop technology based upon Reaper tech, then it makes it easier for the Reapers to destroy them.

The Crucible was designed by many species over many Reaper harvest cycles. Some species at some point learned what the Citadel's true purpose was and attempted to harness it for a weapon against the Reapers. Over many cycles, species try and improve the Crucible and get it work with the Citadel but fail as it has been pointed out in previous games, many species, the Protheans included used the Citadel as the center for government. Since the Citadel is the point through which the Reapers initially come through, no one has been able to use a Crucible because they did not have access to the Catalyst.

[Berserkuh]

Since the Reapers didn't know about the Catalyst, it's obviously they didn't plan for it. And since the Crucible is used with the Citadel, it's basically manipulating Reaper-tech. The Catalyst could be the AI of an ancient civilization himself, which is tasked to control the Reapers in order to ensure that synthetics won't wipe out other civilizations as well, so as not to repeat the mistakes of their civilization. I'm betting that if there's going to be a ME4 that'll go into more detail about the Reapers, this'll be the case.

[vigna]

Thanks for the input...

[Biotic Sage]

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

Yeah, the Crucible is just another part of the Reaper, or really, whatever built the Reaper's guidelines. When a civilization completes the Crucible it's time for the next stage. As for why you'd be hesitant? Well...sure. I guess you can/should be. But at that point do you have any other options? You knew the Crucible was your only chance, and this is what it is it's kind of taken out of your hands. Use it or everyone dies.


Which is a fair criticism, it being taken out of your hands, but there's no plot issue here. There's a 'I feel like there's less room for roleplaying with this sort of ending', but it's not any sort of break in the plot or character.

Exactly.  That's why it's such a tough decision.  Because there are so many unknowns.  But like all the decisions we make the best of one we can at the time with what we're given.  The Reapers needed to be stopped.  Taking the chance with one of the three options was the only option, unless you're ok with watching the eradication of all intelligent life.  Which I wasn't.