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[Benrosan]

You know, the one from the beginning and dream sequences...

Clearly he's a symbol of Shep's grief and anxiety throughout the game.

Did the writers create him in a fit of poetic angst, leading us to interpret Shep's sacrifice as a gesture of self-redemption?

Is that last dream sequence just lame foreshadowing? Or could it have a deeper meaning? Did Shep hallucinate that entire end sequence? Did I as well?

I really really hope so. Last night I dreamt I was chasing Shepard through a dark, ashen forest. Then Casey Hudson caught him and set him on fire.

Seriously...I'm f**king traumatized. I want a new ending.

[Untamed_skies]

I think Sheppard is died when he tried to activate the catalyst. If you look at it from the traces of his dying mind you could see everything in a way that suggest it was his dying wish for the universe. It represents the 3 forms he showed during the game.

1.) Control, was he trying to control every detail and strong arm his way into power? Was power his motivation for humanity. If he could take control of the reapers would he do so if the power was actually his too grasp?

2.) Destruction, was he looking to simply wipe out all threats, end the problem before it got big. did he really trust the geth or did he trust just legion, or did he trust legion at all? It's kind of a safety at all costs, is the only thought in his head that the reapers need to be destroyed?

3.) Merge, was he spending his entire time trying to unite everything. Look beyond race, and even skin or titanium. Did he believe the geth have a soul, did he believe they were alive. Would he rather have the two live in peace together?

The normandy getting away and landing in "eden" could be his hope that the normandy crew got away safely and would live their days happily in paradise. Some place where it's sunny

[balmyrian]

They went poetic/angsty. The original kid printing itself up in Shepard's mind as all the people that couldn't be saved and won't be saveable, it stands to reason that the Catalyst probably takes those traits as a "You can mend the past, time to stop chasing it and determine the future" symbolism.

That, of course, doesn't exclude the fact that we possibly all are hallucinating under some kind of government black ops program.

[vigna]

Untamed_skies wrote...

I think Sheppard is died when he tried to activate the catalyst. If you look at it from the traces of his dying mind you could see everything in a way that suggest it was his dying wish for the universe. It represents the 3 forms he showed during the game.

1.) Control, was he trying to control every detail and strong arm his way into power? Was power his motivation for humanity. If he could take control of the reapers would he do so if the power was actually his too grasp?

2.) Destruction, was he looking to simply wipe out all threats, end the problem before it got big. did he really trust the geth or did he trust just legion, or did he trust legion at all? It's kind of a safety at all costs, is the only thought in his head that the reapers need to be destroyed?

3.) Merge, was he spending his entire time trying to unite everything. Look beyond race, and even skin or titanium. Did he believe the geth have a soul, did he believe they were alive. Would he rather have the two live in peace together?

The normandy getting away and landing in "eden" could be his hope that the normandy crew got away safely and would live their days happily in paradise. Some place where it's sunny

^^I was going with something like this as well.......It makes sense in that context. Otherwise...not so much.

[John Locke N7]

Untamed_skies wrote...

I think Sheppard is died when he tried to activate the catalyst. If you look at it from the traces of his dying mind you could see everything in a way that suggest it was his dying wish for the universe. It represents the 3 forms he showed during the game.

1.) Control, was he trying to control every detail and strong arm his way into power? Was power his motivation for humanity. If he could take control of the reapers would he do so if the power was actually his too grasp?

2.) Destruction, was he looking to simply wipe out all threats, end the problem before it got big. did he really trust the geth or did he trust just legion, or did he trust legion at all? It's kind of a safety at all costs, is the only thought in his head that the reapers need to be destroyed?

this is another good thing to point to when looking at how bad the ending is.

If the best rationalizations for the paragon/renegade option are REVERSED from what they're intended, you know somethings up.

I found my paragon shepard replaying the ending doing the 'red' option aswell.

[Benrosan]

balmyrian wrote...

They went poetic/angsty. The original kid printing itself up in Shepard's mind as all the people that couldn't be saved and won't be saveable, it stands to reason that the Catalyst probably takes those traits as a "You can mend the past, time to stop chasing it and determine the future" symbolism.

That, of course, doesn't exclude the fact that we possibly all are hallucinating under some kind of government black ops program.

Dude, that has to be it.

[aim1essgun]

Benrosan wrote...
Last night I dreamt I was chasing Shepard through a dark, ashen forest. Then Casey Hudson caught him and set him on fire. 

LOL.

As for the kid...yeah I dunno. Apparently they thought that showing the kid in your dreams somehow sets up the end, so that its not an asspull out of nowhere. 

[Untamed_skies]

John Locke N7 wrote...

Untamed_skies wrote...

I think Sheppard is died when he tried to activate the catalyst. If you look at it from the traces of his dying mind you could see everything in a way that suggest it was his dying wish for the universe. It represents the 3 forms he showed during the game.

1.) Control, was he trying to control every detail and strong arm his way into power? Was power his motivation for humanity. If he could take control of the reapers would he do so if the power was actually his too grasp?

2.) Destruction, was he looking to simply wipe out all threats, end the problem before it got big. did he really trust the geth or did he trust just legion, or did he trust legion at all? It's kind of a safety at all costs, is the only thought in his head that the reapers need to be destroyed?

this is another good thing to point to when looking at how bad the ending is.

If the best rationalizations for the paragon/renegade option are REVERSED from what they're intended, you know somethings up.

I found my paragon shepard replaying the ending doing the 'red' option aswell.

After my initial shock wore off I started trying to rationalize it because I did love 99% of the game and 100% of the other too. so really it's .01% of the games I dislike and I feel it shouldn't undo the rest of the good of it....At first I wonder why he didn't fight and then thought maybe he was indoctrinated from the Illusive Man's control still and couldn't break out of the thought that there is only one truth.

Though about it more and how unrealistic everything was (according the the universe lore up to the point) and thought about the place where the normandy lands with everyone magically on board. And realized it was sunny, I think it fits better and is acceptable too me that Sheppard died either trying to hit a random button to activate the catalyst or died died activating the catalyst.

It'd leave room for another game down the road one way or the other and the ability to expand the universe while ending Sheppards story altogether. But that's just my translation unless they fix it or explain it and I become wrong.