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[Asiant]

If you recall, dark energy is required to create mass effect fields, and it is used widely in the future.

If you recall further in ME2, Tali was investigating something so important that she delayed Shepard's offer to be his/her squadmate aboard the Normany. It later turns out the the Sun Dholen is aging prematurely due to dark energy. Therefore if left unchecked, the current races would destroy the entire universe with dark energy usage. Reapers wanted to prevent that...

Now back to ME3...reapers turns out wanting to preserve organic life because of synthetics...dark energy not even mentioned once!!!

[Jaron Oberyn]

The original ending was supposed to be about dark energy and the reapers trying to prevent it. Would have been better than the hypocritical machine slaughter stuff we got.


-Polite

[Asiant]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Asiant wrote...

Reapers wanted to prevent that...

You just made that up.

So, not important.

important or not, the dark energy threat is very much real and proven to be real in the 1st two games.  it could destroy both organics and sythenics, including the reapers themselves...therefore it is a much more likely reason why the Reapers are destroying advanced organic lifeforms...instead of just preserving organics.

[Eterna]

I don't want reapers to be the good guys.

[Asiant]

Eterna5 wrote...

I don't want reapers to be the good guys.

bad guys in the view of a single cycle, good guys from the view of the universe as a whole

Modifié par Asiant, 10 mars 2012 - 06:32 .

[Wattoes]

The original story/endings would have been cool (hell im just pretending thats what actually happened)

What they threw in there is an abomination.

[Malachite73]

Eterna5 wrote...

I don't want reapers to be the good guys.

They still won't be the good guys... after all, wiping out life so they have time to figure out how they can survive still makes them pretty evil.

They are an "Ends justifys the means" bad guy, so they would be similiar to Cerberus in ME3, and we can agree they are bad guys.

[marshalleck]

Asiant wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Asiant wrote...

Reapers wanted to prevent that...

You just made that up.

So, not important.

important or not, the dark energy threat is very much real and proven to be real in the 1st two games.  it could destroy both organics and sythenics, including the reapers themselves...therefore it is a much more likely reason why the Reapers are destroying advanced organic lifeforms...instead of just preserving organics.

How does this even make sense? Kill organics to "stop dark energy." Or preserve organics to stop dark energy? Certainly you wouldn't want to just preserve organics BECAUSE dark energy, if dark energy can kill Reapers then preserving organic species in the form of Reapers is pointless.

Double-u-tee-eff?

Honestly now, I understand why people would be upset with ME3's ending, but that doesn't make the "dark energy" ending any more palatable. 

If there were any course corrections related to the dark energy plot line, it was because the writers looked at it and said "wow, this is really bad, even compared to ME2's writing."

Modifié par marshalleck, 10 mars 2012 - 06:37 .

[Asiant]

marshalleck wrote...

Asiant wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Asiant wrote...

Reapers wanted to prevent that...

You just made that up.

So, not important.

important or not, the dark energy threat is very much real and proven to be real in the 1st two games.  it could destroy both organics and sythenics, including the reapers themselves...therefore it is a much more likely reason why the Reapers are destroying advanced organic lifeforms...instead of just preserving organics.

How does this even make sense? Kill organics to "stop dark energy."

Double-u-tee-eff?

dark energy is released and harnessed through the usage of Eezo to make mass effect fields, since all current technology uses it, further usage will cause dangerous levels of "pollution"

[Malachite73]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Asiant wrote...

important or not, the dark energy threat is very much real and proven to be real in the 1st two games.  it could destroy both organics and sythenics, including the reapers themselves...therefore it is a much more likely reason why the Reapers are destroying advanced organic lifeforms...instead of just preserving organics.

I don't think you understand.

You just made that up as the reason for the Reapers being here. You have no proof of that. You have no proof of its importance to the ME storyline. In fact, considering how it was essentially glossed over in ME2, the evidence is against you.

So, you can't say that was the direction that ME3 was meant to go, and thus you can't say that ME3 changed directions.

You need proof, here:

http://www.ign.com/b...lers.250066288/

And before you say that is heresay, that post was made in 2010 and predicted both endings for the game, so it couldn't be fake.

The Dark Energy was the orignal ending when they made ME1 and ME2,... who knows why the decided to go with the other one in the last stretch.

[Asiant]

think about it as global warming...to the extreme scale

[marshalleck]

Asiant wrote...

dark energy is released and harnessed through the usage of Eezo to make mass effect fields, since all current technology uses it, further usage will cause dangerous levels of "pollution"

Which is why Reapers are gigantic warships that are like 75% massive eezo drive core. Clearly, they should just commit seppuku and save the galaxy. And take the mass relay network they meticulously maintained for 37 million+ years with them. 

Are you reading what you're writing?

[Malachite73]

@marshalleck

Or because Drew Karpyshyn quit and there was bad blood.

[marshalleck]

Malachite73 wrote...

@marshalleck

Or because Drew Karpyshyn quit and there was bad blood.

Or not, because he didn't quit. He was sent to work on TOR. He was instrumental on the KOTOR franchise as well. 

Sheesh, you people. 

Oh, you mean recently. Yeah, I doubt they rewrote all of ME3 in 2 weeks.

Modifié par marshalleck, 10 mars 2012 - 06:42 .

[Asiant]

marshalleck wrote...

Asiant wrote...

dark energy is released and harnessed through the usage of Eezo to make mass effect fields, since all current technology uses it, further usage will cause dangerous levels of "pollution"

Which is why Reapers are gigantic warships that are like 75% massive eezo drive core. Clearly, they should just commit seppuku and save the galaxy. And take the mass relay network they meticulously maintained for 37 million+ years with them. 

Are you reading what you're writing?

...are you serious...have you considered why reapers only appear once every 50000 years, then go into dark space?...think about how much power is used if the galaxy is left unchecked...then compare that to the power used by the reapers every 50000 years...the Reapers are simply prolonging the galaxy's life span, if they dont, then galaxy may end in just hundreds of years instead of millions that Reapers helped to prolong

[Malachite73]

marshalleck wrote...

Malachite73 wrote...

@marshalleck

Or because Drew Karpyshyn quit and there was bad blood.

Or not, because he didn't quit. He was sent to work on TOR. He was instrumental on the KOTOR franchise as well. 

Sheesh, you people. 

Oh, you mean recently. Yeah, I doubt they rewrote all of ME3 in 2 weeks.

Not 2 weeks, but if that ending didn't feel done in less than an month, I don't know what does.

[Asiant]

My thread started after reading the orignal link(same link provided by Malachite73), based upon that, I supported it by providing information that are actually in the previous games.how am I just pulling stuff out of my @@s?

[Cirreus]

The current endings we're not the original endings intended from the ME1 writing staff. You will never get anyone from EA/Bioware admitting a mistake or error. There lawyers & marketing staff drill that in. Admission of wrong doing = lost sales.

Back on subject though, The original story had the reapers trying to save the galaxy from dark engery. The dark engery problem though takes an eternity (millions / billions of years ?) to manifest itself. The typical organic species can't understand (from an immortal's point of view) the urgency of a problem so far out in the future. So the reapers gather there forces (presumably) the way the first reaper was made. The reapers are making more immortals to stop the destruction of the galaxy. Now when you weed a garden or plow a field, you don't think the insects think of you as some immortal god like beast ? That was the "point of view" of the Mass Effect story. Am I the ant ?

The problem of ME3's endings though aren't the last 5mins. It's starts the from the begining with the plot holes & doesn't stop. It may be rushed, but the people working on it were too close to the story (from the books, to the story board, to EA overlord publisher pressure). And I think that's important to note. There is a crazy amount of reference to the recent books than the previous installments of ME1 & ME2. It feels like someone was trying to tie it all together & it didn't work.

Modifié par Cirreus, 10 mars 2012 - 06:59 .

[Malachite73]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

There's no information in the games to support dark energy as even remotely important. The only time it's mentioned is by Tali when you recruit her, and by Kal'Reegar at her LM. You can't even ask the Admirals about it.

Right, because last time I check, no information means Tali's mission talks about it.  The original idea was dark energy... they should have stuck with it.  Anything would be better than what is currently out, especially say, the ending that they had planned while making ME1 and ME2.

[Asiant]

http://masseffect.wi...iki/Dark_energy

There you go

[Asiant]

Tali basically went into a suicide mission of her own for the information on the sun and dark energy if I recall correctly, thats gotta count for something...