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#26
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marshalleck wrote...

 I don't see how the franchise can continue without a Citadel or relay network

It could go back in time, sure. Or be set concurrently with the Shepard trilogy. But it can't continue

Same. Sure it can continue, but it won't feel like the Mass Effect universe we've come to know and love. Since pretty much everything went FUBAR because of the ending. 
Not only that, but any attempts to fix this by bringing the relays or something akin to them back in the proported next game will be met with even more harsh reactions. If they do this only to immediately go back and fix the relay destruction by going 'hey guys, the remaining races found a new way to travel the galaxy shortly after, so you had nothing to worry about' it pretty much cheapens the blow they were trying to strike. Hell, it even goes as far as to make it utterly pointless.

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ME4+, ME MMO or whatever spin off will be set in the far future with a rebuilt galactic civilization. That'll be so far removed from what happened that the specifics won't matter or they'll retcon certain aspects.We've already seen what BW thinks of player choice by making Udina being the councilor canon and having Leliana alive no matter what in DA2 among other things.

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Yes, OP, I am in your camp. I feel like I got robbed, but yet I allowed it to happen. I LOVED the series... up until the last 15 minutes or so of ME3. Seriously, A bad ending in a game where your choices have weight? I expect that. But all three of the endings do essentially the same thing, and none of them involve Shepard walking off into the sunset with his LI, and the crew finally settling down and adjusting to life without the constant threat of existence ending war... Also, for a point I actually Have not yet made in another thread yet, why exactly was the normandy at FTL speed when the final decision is made? Shouldn't it have been knee deep in battle with the rest of the fleets? And when it does crash... wherever that is, land of the lost or something, some of the people who get off... make no sense. I JUST talked to some of them prior to the assault on the citadel, and one of them was in my party prior to being Reaper Laser'd in the face.

Our only hope is that they planned for this backlash all along, and in the name of closure, and more profit margin, there is DLC on the way that gives us the option to recover *some* of the party's dignity and makes it to where the decisions we made since our first landing on Eden prime 5 years ago actually meant something.

Rant over.... For now. :P

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The ending managed to suck all joy of the franchise out of my memory. Does anyone feel like they can't even think of ME 1 or 2 without cringing and realizing that they were jsut all leading up to... the ending of ME 3? 

If I actually did think the ending was horrible (I don't) that wouldn't be enough to destroy the many memorable and enjoyable moments I've had with the franchise over the past 4 yrs and 4 months.

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I feel you.
Not that the choices were TERRIBLE, but close the story. Tell us what happens to the crew. To the races. What do you do with the Reapers now that you control them (maybe). Who was the Catalyst and all dat.
Plus, clarify the ending a bit... I wanted to control the Reapers, which I thought was the Red side (renegade option and all), but I woulnd up killing the Reapers. Got totally turned around there.

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the ending pretty much ruined any and all mass effet/bioware games from me. Just thinking about how bad and sloppy that ending was makes me want to punch a baby

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I think reading the spoilers and having advance knowledge of the endings made their impact on me much easier. I was able to tolerate most of it, up to the point where the catalyst mentions how all the mass relays will be destroyed. I really think it reached its nadir with the grandpa post-credits winter scene. That "epilogue" served little to no purpose because it offered no closure of any sort.

One of the big problems with the endings are that they fail to answer questions we really care about, such as the fate of Earth and our crew. And this ultimately stems from the endings trying to be something that Mass Effect is not. Mass Effect is not The Matrix. Mass Effect is not Deus Ex. Mass Effect is not a universe created to explore the philosophical and ethical dilemmas of technology. While these and other ethical issues are salient themes in mass Effect, Mass Effect is ultimately Shepard's story, and these endings are patently unsatisfying conclusions for Shepard's story.

For a trilogy that is all about choice, the ending really shows that your choices are not as relevant as how many war assets you have. In other words, what you do to the rachni, the krogan, the geth, and anybody else, has zero impact on the final outcome. Case in point: you could mod your game to have (x is greater than or equal to 10,000) war assets and you would be able to achieve the "best" outcomes within the confines of the game, regardless of any decision you made. This is wholly different from a game like Dragon Age: Origins in which your choices and decisions directly lead to starkly different outcomes.

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Biotic Sage wrote...

How about thousands of years in the future when a new galactic society not based on the relays is in its infancy?  You mean it can't continue with the status quo.  No, it can't.  And I like that.

The problem is that under these condtions, nothing in the new serise would be recognizable as being part of Mass Effect. The result would be so detatched that it would be like claiming Final Fantasy 6 and 7 are part of the same story. Nothing that you knew about the galaxy from ME 1-3 would be relevant in any game set far enough in the future for the Relay network, or some similar infrastructure, to have been build/rebuilt.

You wouldn't have Mass Effect any more, you'd just have some random Sci-fi sharing a name and possibly a few mechanics, such as biotics, with Mass Effect.

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SandTrout wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

How about thousands of years in the future when a new galactic society not based on the relays is in its infancy?  You mean it can't continue with the status quo.  No, it can't.  And I like that.

The problem is that under these condtions, nothing in the new serise would be recognizable as being part of Mass Effect. The result would be so detatched that it would be like claiming Final Fantasy 6 and 7 are part of the same story. Nothing that you knew about the galaxy from ME 1-3 would be relevant in any game set far enough in the future for the Relay network, or some similar infrastructure, to have been build/rebuilt.

You wouldn't have Mass Effect any more, you'd just have some random Sci-fi sharing a name and possibly a few mechanics, such as biotics, with Mass Effect.


Well it is new.  They were brave to move things forward.  I respect that so much in this day and age of milking franchises dry doing the same tired thing over and over again.  Now our civilization will be like the Protheans' was to us.  We will be able to re-explore the galaxy with new wonder knowing that there are remnants of a whole past culture that WE were actually a part of.  To me that is really cool.

And we'll always have Mass Effect as it was.  We all know and love that universe.  Nothing will take away the fact that we got to experience it.  All things come to an end.

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Biotic Sage wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

How about thousands of years in the future when a new galactic society not based on the relays is in its infancy?  You mean it can't continue with the status quo.  No, it can't.  And I like that.

The problem is that under these condtions, nothing in the new serise would be recognizable as being part of Mass Effect. The result would be so detatched that it would be like claiming Final Fantasy 6 and 7 are part of the same story. Nothing that you knew about the galaxy from ME 1-3 would be relevant in any game set far enough in the future for the Relay network, or some similar infrastructure, to have been build/rebuilt.

You wouldn't have Mass Effect any more, you'd just have some random Sci-fi sharing a name and possibly a few mechanics, such as biotics, with Mass Effect.


Well it is new.  They were brave to move things forward.  I respect that so much in this day and age of milking franchises dry doing the same tired thing over and over again.  Now our civilization will be like the Protheans' was to us.  We will be able to re-explore the galaxy with new wonder knowing that there are remnants of a whole past culture that WE were actually a part of.  To me that is really cool.

And we'll always have Mass Effect as it was.  We all know and love that universe.  Nothing will take away the fact that we got to experience it.  All things come to an end.

If that's what they want to do, then it would probably be best to just come up with a whole new sci-fi IP so their new game doesn't come burdened with three previous games' worth of baggage. 

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 Yes I slightly share your view OP, was I upset yeah I was. Did we get thet closure yes we did it was the end of Shephard's story. What really got me was I honestly expected more death of my squad at the end I wanted to see people I grew attached too go out fighting. A happy ending would be great to have, a sacrifice would be great , Hell i'd even sacrifice the earth to save the rest of the galaxy ( I was hoping to do this). It just left a gapping question mark for me to be honest and that's what kinda ruins it and the other games for me, will I never buy another bioware product? I don't know yet i'm very skeptical of them now, reminds me of Infinity ward and the MW2 downfall. I have told friends to not pick up ME3 already i'll just loan it to them. Replay value has been shot behind the shed for me..Glad i got some type of closure but its execution was poor, uninspiring, sloppy, tactful, nothing new (matrix repeat). Shame too I was really hoping for a Good guy that fail's and going back as a badass that doesn't.

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Definitely in the same camp as you OP.

I've been a hardcore fan of the ME series since the first game. I've spent countless hours perfecting my characters in ME1 and ME2 so that I could have the best possible outcome for ME3. I played ME2 for the last time last year in March and stopped playing xbox after that. As soon as I got wind of the ME3 Pre-orders, I immediately found a Collectors edition to pre-order. Wasn't until the day before the game released that I brushed off the ol xbox just to make sure that it was still working. I played the game as soon as it came out. From the first moment I started playing I was in love with what Bioware has done. I played a good amount and it was just this night that I finished the campaign. Before I go on to the ending, I just want to say that I thoroughly loved ME3 and everything about it was great in my opinion. Except for the few plot holes that were never addressed, this was hands down my favorite game of all time and truly felt that Bioware did an exceeding job with it.

That is until I came upon the terrible excuse of an ending. It seemed so out of place and seemed to have no relevance to the rest of the series that it left me dumbfounded. To add insult to injury the addition with the space child just only seemed to make matters worse. What really left me feeling empty was the fact that it came down to two choices that basically screwed everyone no matter what. I felt like Bioware really cheated me, especially after the fact that it made all my efforts in the last two games seem utterly worthless and a huge waste of my time as the end result was still going to be the complete screw over to everyone. Now, I understand there are those who are just fine with what happened and actually fit how they wanted to end it, but for the majority of us I feel like we got cheated. Especially for those who played ME1 and 2 countless times trying to accomplish every little thing within the games. Heck, I would have been fine with Shepard dying in the end.

Especially if it would have just ended with him and Anderson staring down at Earth. To me, the ending just seemed completely random, cheated most of us out, and left us feeling extremely dissatisfied with our entire experience of ME3. Which is a shame since I can't believe how 10 minutes completely overshadowed my experience as a whole with a game. I've been extremely loyal to bioware and have bought every DLC the day they came out to show my support for the series. Mass Effect is the greatest video game series that I have ever played, but now knowing that no matter what I did in the last two games will result in the same ending where everyone is sent back to the Stone Age has really upset me.

I know I've had my petty complaints about some stuff in all the ME games, but as a whole I really feel like this was a great series and one I think would have been close to perfect if it wasn't for the ending. I'll probably replay ME3 again, but playing it till the end is a completely different matter altogether.


Excuse any grammatical or spelling mistakes I've made, I've been up for 20+ hours and just wanted to leave my two cents worth.

Modifié par Sovereign z, 10 mars 2012 - 08:40 .


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The ending was an insult. No other way to describe it.

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You feel cheated and want your time back. Is it really so much to ask for a happy ending? Crappy endings like this are why I am such a cynic in real life. Everytime I get really really really excited about a story the end just turns in to crap and then I get this horrible feeling in my stomach.

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I really don't know what to say about the ending that has not already been said. In short, it hurt. To have invested emotionally in this universe, and these characters, and to have it end like that ... sucked. It's essentially a slightly different take at the ending of Deus Ex: Invisible War. You either force a choice down everyone's throat, or destroy X technology, or (ultimately) let the universe fall apart.

If I want dark endings ... I'll watch the f-ing news.

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I remember at the end of dragon age awakening, they had several text captions depicting what had happened to individual characters.. Why did they not even do this to sum up choices?

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Yeah, I'm guess in most of those choices people die? Looks like everything blows up for the most part and Normandy is now a Jungle Bungalow. WTF?

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I'm pretty much in the same boat. I wont say that ME3 was a horrible game because of the end....but it does suck.

What makes it worse is that it's NOT a horrible game up till that point. It might be the best game I've ever played save for that. I have NEVER had a game move me like this one did. It was a hell of a ride, until the roller coaster flew off the tracks at the end.

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You're not alone in this. I, for one, feel the same way.

I'm too emotional, maybe. But I feel like my life would never be the same if BW didn't fixed this.

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Veryth wrote...

If I want dark endings ... I'll watch the f-ing news.


Nothing but the true. Feel the same.

And I'm davastated too.
I dont want to feel like that playing game I loved. I wanted to play one time after another. now I don't even want to play till the end. I want happy ending ( what is the problem make one like that?)

The truth is - this is too much. Whats the goal to kill our love to MAss Effect? They don't like us (the fans) anymore?
What kind of stupid art is that?
I don't think I have a heart to buy anything more, if happy ending didnt happend. I always bought everythig Bioware did, but this is the final step.
If I could not get the happy ending Shepard style for this game, I'll pass future suprises. Don't need to fell like that and pay for it the same time.I want the impact from ME1 and ME2... not crap like that.
The game is so brilliant. I cant belive last few minutes could kill entire saga.

My heart is wounded and bleeding.
I'm so hurt, then if they not fix it - they could count me out. For killing ME spirit - forever.

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TheKillerAngel wrote...

I think reading the spoilers and having advance knowledge of the endings made their impact on me much easier. I was able to tolerate most of it, up to the point where the catalyst mentions how all the mass relays will be destroyed. I really think it reached its nadir with the grandpa post-credits winter scene. That "epilogue" served little to no purpose because it offered no closure of any sort.

One of the big problems with the endings are that they fail to answer questions we really care about, such as the fate of Earth and our crew. And this ultimately stems from the endings trying to be something that Mass Effect is not. Mass Effect is not The Matrix. Mass Effect is not Deus Ex. Mass Effect is not a universe created to explore the philosophical and ethical dilemmas of technology. While these and other ethical issues are salient themes in mass Effect, Mass Effect is ultimately Shepard's story, and these endings are patently unsatisfying conclusions for Shepard's story.

For a trilogy that is all about choice, the ending really shows that your choices are not as relevant as how many war assets you have. In other words, what you do to the rachni, the krogan, the geth, and anybody else, has zero impact on the final outcome. Case in point: you could mod your game to have (x is greater than or equal to 10,000) war assets and you would be able to achieve the "best" outcomes within the confines of the game, regardless of any decision you made. This is wholly different from a game like Dragon Age: Origins in which your choices and decisions directly lead to starkly different outcomes.


Uh-huh.

Yup.

Amen.

This.

I agree 100%.

I like this human, he understands.

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The killing point for me was the Catalyst AI manifesting as the kid. I was okay with everything up until that point.

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Your about 95% current people that bother to come into forums. I'm only in the forums to complain about this cr ap

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 it didnt wipe out technology... why did the normandy's door open up? just synth life man synth life