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[realguile]

greengoron89 wrote...

rallyfan wrote...

I never did read the leak because I did not want to spoil myself, but it sounds like the complainers screwed us over.

Indeed. I don't care for the whole "dark energy" thing much, but it's a hell of a lot better than what we got. Shame on those who leaked the old script, double shame on those who railed against it afterwards, and triple shame on Bioware for actually listening to these imbeciles and basically changing everything in the damn game.

lol

4 real...the game that could have been

[Furluge]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Not true. An extremely detailed version of the endings was leaked back in Novemeber. Shepard was meant to survive in more than just a few endings, and tech was meant to be kept in Synthesis/Control. There was also a variation of 'epilogue' where Shepard (if alive) would emerge from the Guardian's ruins, to be greated by their LI and Anderson. Shepard and their LI would hug while Anderson would summerise, casualities, technology, outcome, relays, the future, etc.

Having dug up two different versions of of leaked scripts at this point, one a traditional script and one a text dump of dialog options from the leaked beta, I can't find the ending your talking about. One of the issues with these files is that they're not non-linear, like the page order got scrambled a bit. Probably because a lot of it is different versions of the same scene. Regardless, I couldn't find any information in either of the leaks I have that show a different ending. There's some different phrasing, but it's still the same ending.

[Uezurii]

What also changed is getting Omega back with Aria, I remember reading something about that and a Cerberus blockade. Or...well probably not changed, just future DLC. Just like Javik was DLC now while before he was the Catalyst.

[Kloborgg711]

Uezurii wrote...

What also changed is getting Omega back with Aria, I remember reading something about that and a Cerberus blockade. Or...well probably not changed, just future DLC. Just like Javik was DLC now while before he was the Catalyst.

Yeah, sooner or later we're probably going to see an Omega DLC, but as much as I love the lore surrounding such an event it's another "what's the point?" conundrum until we see something done about these endings.

[Total Biscuit]

Ok, there was nothing about the dark energy stuff in the leaked script, we've learnt about that only in the last month or so from other sources. It was dropped well before ME3 truly began most likely, hence the reference to Prothian plans in LOTSB, shifting focus away from it and foreshadowing the Crucible.

The endings in the leak were basically identical to what was in the finished game, we just didn't know about the Relays blowing and the Normandy crash, because those are dialogue free cutscenes.

Most likely, NOTHING CHANGED between the leak and the finale product.

Stop blaming the people who actually tried to warn you in advance about what was coming, and who were campaigning for better endings 5 months before the rest of you.

There was never a better ending, we just didn't realise it was even worse than it appeared back in November.

Also, this stuff about Anderson and your LI meeting you after is nonesense too. I literally never heard a thing about that until this thread.

[Creylon]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

NoUserNameHere wrote...

I believe the VS confrontation wasn't going to be centered around the Udina Coup. Pretty sure the coup had something to do with the Hanar homeworld in the leak.

Thessia was changed signifigantly in many ways. Kai Leng's lethality was toned down.

The endings (what segments were in the old leaks) seem basically unchanged.

Not true. An extremely detailed version of the endings was leaked back in Novemeber. Shepard was meant to survive in more than just a few endings, and tech was meant to be kept in Synthesis/Control. There was also a variation of 'epilogue' where Shepard (if alive) would emerge from the Guardian's ruins, to be greated by their LI and Anderson. Shepard and their LI would hug while Anderson would summerise, casualities, technology, outcome, relays, the future, etc.

Are you f*****kidding me? that's exactly what we want now.....
How could they change those awesome endings into something as crappy as the endings we have now?

Modifié par Creylon, 11 mars 2012 - 06:04 .

[Sanguine]

Total Biscuit wrote...

Ok, there was nothing about the dark energy stuff in the leaked script, we've learnt about that only in the last month or so from other sources. It was dropped well before ME3 truly began most likely, hence the reference to Prothian plans in LOTSB, shifting focus away from it and foreshadowing the Crucible.

The endings in the leak were basically identical to what was in the finished game, we just didn't know about the Relays blowing and the Normandy crash, because those are dialogue free cutscenes.

Most likely, NOTHING CHANGED between the leak and the finale product.

Stop blaming the people who actually tried to warn you in advance about what was coming, and who were campaigning for better endings 5 months before the rest of you.

There was never a better ending, we just didn't realise it was even worse than it appeared back in November.

Also, this stuff about Anderson and your LI meeting you after is nonesense too. I literally never heard a thing about that until this thread.

Do you have links to the leaks? I would like to read them now, after playing the game.

[Furluge]

http://www.gamespot....ust-been-leaked

[Madecologist]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Not true. An extremely detailed version of the endings was leaked back in Novemeber. Shepard was meant to survive in more than just a few endings, and tech was meant to be kept in Synthesis/Control. There was also a variation of 'epilogue' where Shepard (if alive) would emerge from the Guardian's ruins, to be greated by their LI and Anderson. Shepard and their LI would hug while Anderson would summerise, casualities, technology, outcome, relays, the future, etc.

This would have been so much better. Yes Shepard lives and all... but heck I can imagine this is for the Destroy ending and considering the price tag we must pay for that one (ie destroy the Relay and a tonne of tech). Might have made it worth it.

You wanted to keep the Tech and Galactic Civilisation... well then Shepard might have to do the ultimate sacrifice. I am sure there will still be some unhappy people who would want both... but hot darn... this would be a real choice.

Disclaimer: I am not saying this was in the leak script or not, or that I believe it was. Just this variation is better, even if it was made up

Modifié par Madecologist, 12 mars 2012 - 12:46 .

[legionaireshen]

So Javik was the catalyst, in order to sell it seperately, we got spacekids???
Also why cut the choice between liara/vs, it's looks much better than a simple dialoge pick in virmire.

If it's witcher we may get a enhanced version

[Peer of the Empire]

Aligalipe wrote...

I don't think its community's fault. The leaked script was richer than the current story. There were more places to go, more dialogues etc. Probably Bioware changed the script to make the production process cheaper.

Having to change the endings diverted resources from fleshing it out, I bet.  And with the new endings, having all these choices seem futile would be wasted effort ( until ending DLC! ); better to have a pretty good railroaded experience

[silver6kraid]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

NoUserNameHere wrote...

I believe the VS confrontation wasn't going to be centered around the Udina Coup. Pretty sure the coup had something to do with the Hanar homeworld in the leak.

Thessia was changed signifigantly in many ways. Kai Leng's lethality was toned down.

The endings (what segments were in the old leaks) seem basically unchanged.

Not true. An extremely detailed version of the endings was leaked back in Novemeber. Shepard was meant to survive in more than just a few endings, and tech was meant to be kept in Synthesis/Control. There was also a variation of 'epilogue' where Shepard (if alive) would emerge from the Guardian's ruins, to be greated by their LI and Anderson. Shepard and their LI would hug while Anderson would summerise, casualities, technology, outcome, relays, the future, etc.

I bet this will be the DLC they release in April. Seriously, this is only like a few minutes to tweak, they probably had it nearly complete when the leak happened. If that's the case great! Good end, no lame ass eden world or crash, I've also read that the Mass Relays only get destroyed if you picked the destroy option, again, that would make sense. Needless to say this SHOULD be the DLC, and if it isn't, doesn't matter, I've already head cannoned it. 

[TJX2045]

rallyfan wrote...

I never did read the leak because I did not want to spoil myself, but it sounds like the complainers screwed us over.

Seriously.  Who reads an ending to a game that hasn't even been released?  Why would you want to?  Was someone really THAT obssessed?

And technically those of us who express our dislike with the current ending are not the same people who complained about the ending while the game was in development, so we didn't shoot ourselves in the foot.  The whiners who complained about the original ending did.

LilyasAvalon wrote...

An extremely detailed version of the endings was leaked back in Novemeber. Shepard was meant to survive in more than just a few endings, and tech was meant to be kept in Synthesis/Control. There was also a variation of 'epilogue' where Shepard (if alive) would emerge from the Guardian's ruins, to be greated by their LI and Anderson. Shepard and their LI would hug while Anderson would summerise, casualities, technology, outcome, relays, the future, etc.

 

THIS IS WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED!  When I saw that my Shepard breathed in, I was expecting a "ME1" style "emerging from the wreckage" scene.  That would at least make me feel better and not so bitter about the ending.  I wouldn't have started ruminating and asking questions, which lead me to the gaping plotholes even faster.

I guarantee you if my LI and Anderson still made it and Anderson summarized everything like that one post mentioned I would have been fine.  It would've been similar to ME1's ending in some ways.

UGH.

Modifié par TJX2045, 05 avril 2012 - 06:43 .

[Legendaryred]

People why you no share links to leaked script!?!??!?!

[Legendaryred]

Peer of the Empire wrote...

Aligalipe wrote...

I don't think its community's fault. The leaked script was richer than the current story. There were more places to go, more dialogues etc. Probably Bioware changed the script to make the production process cheaper.

Having to change the endings diverted resources from fleshing it out, I bet.  And with the new endings, having all these choices seem futile would be wasted effort ( until ending DLC! ); better to have a pretty good railroaded experience

I blame MP really.

[KommanderKiwi]

About that leaked scipt... This was the best I could find http://pastebin.com/KYJNWGug

[TheGreatDayne]

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

The biggest thing I noticed was the VS standoff. It was supposed to occur on Thessia, with Kai Leng having fueled the VS against you to the point of a standoff. You were also supposed to get gravely injured with rebar through your body, and you could only save one of your squadmates in that scene. In other words, it was supposed to be more brutal and Kai Leng was originally much more menacing.

W-wha... That is epic... Why the hell did they take that off?! It would have been a GREAT reason to play this game more than once (though, to be fair, my game seems to believe From The Ashes is not installed, so I can't replay. Damn bug). It would have made that assassin feel deadly! He felt more like an annoyance when I met him... I REALLY wish this will be added as a DLC. It will also make Ashley/Kaidan(sp?) feel somewhat important and not just another soldier, who took Samara's room (I miss her...). And, I could kill Liara! Nothing against her... I just want to someday have a save where I killed a lot of my crew...

[insomniac13]

^

Any developer with half a brain should know that would be too awesome to cut out! Instead we get the option to either shoot VS in the face or politely telling them to get the hell off the Normandy... Pretty epic....

The VS doesn't even do anything of importance in the entire game besides continuously screwing up! This would've made him/her more important to the story and not just fan service.

Hell, it might even have made Kai Leng actually menacing instead of the annoying brat he turned out to be.

[Blooddrunk1004]

TheGreatDayne wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

The biggest thing I noticed was the VS standoff. It was supposed to occur on Thessia, with Kai Leng having fueled the VS against you to the point of a standoff. You were also supposed to get gravely injured with rebar through your body, and you could only save one of your squadmates in that scene. In other words, it was supposed to be more brutal and Kai Leng was originally much more menacing.

W-wha... That is epic... Why the hell did they take that off?! It would have been a GREAT reason to play this game more than once (though, to be fair, my game seems to believe From The Ashes is not installed, so I can't replay. Damn bug). It would have made that assassin feel deadly! He felt more like an annoyance when I met him... I REALLY wish this will be added as a DLC. It will also make Ashley/Kaidan(sp?) feel somewhat important and not just another soldier, who took Samara's room (I miss her...). And, I could kill Liara! Nothing against her... I just want to someday have a save where I killed a lot of my crew...

That's not all.
There was also the 4th option in Geth and Quarians arch. Remember when Admiral Xen said in ME2 that she will do anything to control Geth agian? Well she does. Apearantly she mades some sort of virus and wants to upload it to Geth consensus. But this choice works differently.
If you did not want to achieve peace, you could either destroy Geth or told Xen to upload a virus which works succesfully and Geth become enslaved.

Of course the other option is to side with Geth and i think nothing else happens.
But if you made peace with Quarians and Geth, you recieve a scene where she tryes to upload virus. You have a decision to either stop her or allow the upload. This scene is suppost to be realy epic, Tali and game itself scream at you, to kill her. Of course she doesn't enslave Geth, cause they already have free will but destroys alot of them if you decide not to stop her, thus lowering your war assets.
Whether she dies if you decide her to upload the virus is unknown.
But im realy sad, this was not included in the game.

Modifié par Blooddrunk1004, 14 mai 2012 - 12:17 .

[Wowky]

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

The biggest thing I noticed was the VS standoff. It was supposed to occur on Thessia, with Kai Leng having fueled the VS against you to the point of a standoff. You were also supposed to get gravely injured with rebar through your body, and you could only save one of your squadmates in that scene. In other words, it was supposed to be more brutal and Kai Leng was originally much more menacing.

That would have been super rad.

rallyfan wrote...

I never did read the leak because I did not want to spoil myself, but it sounds like the complainers screwed us over.

QFT. I wish the script had never been leaked in the first place so a bunch of whingers didn't result in stuff like the above being taken out of the story.

[TheGreatDayne]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

TheGreatDayne wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

The biggest thing I noticed was the VS standoff. It was supposed to occur on Thessia, with Kai Leng having fueled the VS against you to the point of a standoff. You were also supposed to get gravely injured with rebar through your body, and you could only save one of your squadmates in that scene. In other words, it was supposed to be more brutal and Kai Leng was originally much more menacing.

W-wha... That is epic... Why the hell did they take that off?! It would have been a GREAT reason to play this game more than once (though, to be fair, my game seems to believe From The Ashes is not installed, so I can't replay. Damn bug). It would have made that assassin feel deadly! He felt more like an annoyance when I met him... I REALLY wish this will be added as a DLC. It will also make Ashley/Kaidan(sp?) feel somewhat important and not just another soldier, who took Samara's room (I miss her...). And, I could kill Liara! Nothing against her... I just want to someday have a save where I killed a lot of my crew...

That's not all.
There was also the 4th option in Geth and Quarians arch. Remember when Admiral Xen said in ME2 that she will do anything to control Geth agian? Well she does. Apearantly she mades some sort of virus and wants to upload it to Geth consensus. But this choice works differently.
If you did not want to achieve peace, you could either destroy Geth or told Xen to upload a virus which works succesfully and Geth become enslaved.

Of course the other option is to side with Geth and i think nothing else happens.
But if you made peace with Quarians and Geth, you recieve a scene where she tryes to upload virus. You have a decision to either stop her or allow the upload. This scene is suppost to be realy epic, Tali and game itself scream at you, to kill her. Of course she doesn't enslave Geth, cause they already have free will but destroys alot of them if you decide not to stop her, thus lowering your war assets.
Whether she dies if you decide her to upload the virus is unknown.
But im realy sad, this was not included in the game.

What?! Damn it! That would have been perfect for my Idiot Shepard playthrough! Which I will do in the future! Man! The coolest scenes HAD to be taken out... I am sad, now... well, sadder... The journey has been cut from the coolest things that could have happened... 

[Wowky]

squee365 wrote...

The ending choices look like they stayed virtually the same:

"Shepard must now make his final decision - to control the Reapers, to destroy the Reapers, or if they had a perfect game to become one with the Reapers."

Wait...what? In what universe is this possibly a reward and a good thing to do?

[GimmeDaGun]

Leaked SCRIPT for you guys. 

http://pastebin.com/KYJNWGug 

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 14 mai 2012 - 12:35 .

[b2smooth]

There was also a situation where Victus asks you to kill his son because of the shame his failure on Tuchanka had brought. You then had the option of killing his son or working with him to disable the Tuchanka bomb.

[GimmeDaGun]

Actually we would have had a much more intelligent and refined story if they built the game on the original script. The story would have had a lot more interesting characters and character interactions, a lot more difficult and moraly ambigous decisions with actual consequences and several stunning twists in the plot. Also totally new places and plot lines would be in the game.

The ending (there would be the Guardian who would reveal that he was the AI who was created to create and maintain order in the galaxy so that he is the mother of all reapers and the idea behind the reapers motives... and we still would get the RGB options) would be pretty much the same but the actual Earth campaing would have been a huge "Suicide Mission" with friends and war assetts and different outcomes with people living or dying depending on your actions and previous decisions... so there could have been a victory (deepnding on your leading skills capabilities and the war assetts you have in your disposal).

The destroy ending would have played out differently then (but the destroy ending would have been the one where the mass relays do destroy - that would have been the price). There could have been a victory and reunification with friends, but with a sense of confusion because of the loss of the technology the galaxy has depended on - the reaper legacy.
The blue ending wouldn't kill Shepard but make him the new Guardian, the "idea" behind the reapers, so the reapers would listen to him and would follow his goals. And there would be the "ultimate sacrafice" with space magic and the mind melding with the reapers: "peace". In this ending Shepard would die, no matter what.
Basically it would have made the reaper armada a huge super intelligent machine-god hive with a queen on it's top.

So...

Leaked script >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the game's actual story


This could have been a great sci-fi epic of an rpg but it has become a mediocre sci-fi and a pretty mediocre shooter... a hub for the MP.

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 14 mai 2012 - 01:22 .