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[Ieldra]

What changed. The Catalyst scene changed. Here's the version of the leaked script (not the one on pastebin, that's a small summary without dialogue):

Quotes from the Catalyst encounter (leaked script version):

About itself and the organic/synthetic problem:
C: I was created eons ago to solve a problem.
C: To prevent organics from creating an AI so powerful that it would overtake them and destroy them.
(after Shepard says they'd rather keep their own form):
C: Organics will always trend to a point of technological singularity. A moment in time where their creations outgrow them.
C: Conflict is the only result, and extinction the consequence."

This gives a much clearer picture of the organic/synthetic problem from the viewpoint of the Catalyst.

About Destroy:
C: It's energy can be released as a destructive force. Organics will prevail at our expense. All synthetic life will succumb.
C: As will much the technology your kind rely on [possibly optional low EMS variant. Also note how "much" is replaced by "most" in the current version"].
C: Including the relays you depend upon. [no mention of this in the other endings]
S: But the Reapers will be dead?
C: Correct. But the probability of singularity occurring again in the future is certain.

About Control:
C: Harness the Crucible's energy. Use it to take control of the ones you call the Reapers.
S: Control? So the Illusive Man was right.
C: Correct... though he could never have taken control, as we already controlled him.
S: What would happen to me?
C: You will become the catalyst. You will continue the cycle as you see fit.
S: And the Reapers will obey me?
C: Correct. [no ambiguity here, Shepard will continue to exist and the Reapers will obey]

About Synthesis:
C: You may combine the synthetic and the organic.
C: Add your energy, your essence, with that of Crucible. The resulting chain reaction will transform both of our kind.
C: We synthetics will become more like you, and organic life will become like us.
S: So we'll just... go on living, together?
C: It is a very elegant solution. And a path you have already started down. [Note how this points towards a symbiosis instead of a genetic rewrite-analogue]
C: The harvesting will cease. It will be a new ascension, for synthetic and organic life. [no utopian aspect]

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 mai 2012 - 01:30 .

[GrIzZlY_]

another  "leaked script"?

looks legit 

Modifié par GrIzZlY_, 14 mai 2012 - 01:45 .

[Elite Midget]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

Wait.

There was an option to kill Liara and they took it out?

Why, Bioware? Why?

The colored lights I could probably, maybe eventually forgive... but this?

As far as I can understand it, it's because the Liara/VS fans complained. I don't think half of them even understood the whole thing was actually avoidable if you could beat Kai Leng without taking too much damage.

We VS fans didn't complain. Our  VS can still die in ME1 and ME3. Liara is Biowares golden child,m she can never do wrong, she's always right, and she's always going to survive no matter what. 

[Whereto]

Nvm, read a post that answered my question.

Modifié par Whereto, 14 mai 2012 - 01:41 .

[b2smooth]

Basically they just dumbed the whole game down and set it to auto-pilot through many of the truly difficult decisions.

[Ieldra]

GrIzZlY_ wrote...
another  "leaked script"?

looks legit 

There were three. The old outline with little or no dialogue, the complete game script with all dialogue (which turned turned out to be about 95% correct) and an intermediate version whose role I don't know. My quotes are from the complete script. Check the ME3 leaked spoilers group if you want to cross-check.

[Chaoswind]

Put the blame where the blame needs to be.

I had a copy of the leaked script on my laptop and I read a few chunks of it (not the endings).

If anything the script had all the things bioware wanted to put in the game and nothing else, those things are not in the game because they lacked the resources and time to add them all, not because people complained (aside VS and Liara outrage).

If the script had been followed in a 100% ME3 would had been the best game in the trilogy, but the blame lies first in Hudson because he agreed to the stupid deadline imposed by EA (overestimating his team abilities) and EA because they set a deadline that was impossible for the amount of content that was supposed to be produced.

Don't blame the fans, because the fans had nothing to do with this crap...

Oh and the endings are still the same, is just that the rest of the content would had made the game epic enough to ignore the deux rip off... Oh and we had an epilogue.

[Blooddrunk1004]

The original ending with Dark Energy is also way more better then the ending we recieved.
Reapers were basicly created, so they could stop Dark Energy and preventing chaos in galaxy and with harvesting they would achieve that goal, which sounds way more better and logical then "synthetics turning agianst their creators"
The final decision would only offer you 2 choices but the outcome of your EMS would suppost to give you different ending:

1. Sacrificing humanity and all species and allowing Reapers to achieve their goal.
2. Sending Reapers back into the Dark Space and praying that galaxy will defend agianst Dark Energy on their own.

Of course they never actualy explained how EMS would effect the endings.
But i can assume for the first decision if you would have high EMS it would only require you to sacrifice 2 or 3 species, not the whole galaxy but Reapers would achieve their goal and their purpose would be finished.
For second decision it would probably be how much you delayed Reapers, you either delayed them for another 50.000 years or less. Or you basicly prevented them to ever reach your galaxy agian. The only problem i see is that 2nd ending always ends with cliffhanger, cause you never know if they managed to survive Dark Energy or did Reapers returned.

Modifié par Blooddrunk1004, 14 mai 2012 - 02:47 .

[Ieldra]

Chaoswind wrote...
If the script had been followed in a 100% ME3 would had been the best game in the trilogy, but the blame lies first in Hudson because he agreed to the stupid deadline imposed by EA (overestimating his team abilities) and EA because they set a deadline that was impossible for the amount of content that was supposed to be produced.

Don't blame the fans, because the fans had nothing to do with this crap...

Oh and the endings are still the same, is just that the rest of the content would had made the game epic enough to ignore the deux rip off... Oh and we had an epilogue.

Well...no. Miranda's content in the script had us very disappointed. We always thought there must be at least one additional scene. There wasn't. Her content was realized as it was in the script 100%. Also I don't recall that there was a more extended epilogue in the script at all. Just the stargazer epilogue we got.

But about the ending: yes, that would've been 1000% better had they only followed the leaked script and not rewritten things in order to make no sense any more. And no, I do not think the dark energy plot had greater potential. It would've been a crushing disappointment for me, actually, for reasons I don't need to get into here since fortunately, that ending has passed us by.

[Siraea1]

Ieldra2 wrote...

What changed. The Catalyst scene changed. Here's the version of the leaked script (not the one on pastebin, that's a small summary without dialogue):

Quotes from the Catalyst encounter (leaked script version):

About itself and the organic/synthetic problem:
C: I was created eons ago to solve a problem.
C: To prevent organics from creating an AI so powerful that it would overtake them and destroy them.
(after Shepard says they'd rather keep their own form):
C: Organics will always trend to a point of technological singularity. A moment in time where their creations outgrow them.
C: Conflict is the only result, and extinction the consequence."

This gives a much clearer picture of the organic/synthetic problem from the viewpoint of the Catalyst.

About Destroy:
C: It's energy can be released as a destructive force. Organics will prevail at our expense. All synthetic life will succumb.
C: As will much the technology your kind rely on [possibly optional low EMS variant. Also note how "much" is replaced by "most" in the current version"].
C: Including the relays you depend upon. [no mention of this in the other endings]
S: But the Reapers will be dead?
C: Correct. But the probability of singularity occurring again in the future is certain.

About Control:
C: Harness the Crucible's energy. Use it to take control of the ones you call the Reapers.
S: Control? So the Illusive Man was right.
C: Correct... though he could never have taken control, as we already controlled him.
S: What would happen to me?
C: You will become the catalyst. You will continue the cycle as you see fit.
S: And the Reapers will obey me?
C: Correct. [no ambiguity here, Shepard will continue to exist and the Reapers will obey]

About Synthesis:
C: You may combine the synthetic and the organic.
C: Add your energy, your essence, with that of Crucible. The resulting chain reaction will transform both of our kind.
C: We synthetics will become more like you, and organic life will become like us.
S: So we'll just... go on living, together?
C: It is a very elegant solution. And a path you have already started down. [Note how this points towards a symbiosis instead of a genetic rewrite-analogue]
C: The harvesting will cease. It will be a new ascension, for synthetic and organic life. [no utopian aspect]

I'm actually wondering if they will add this extra dialogue into the Extended Ending DLC. I believe they did say they would provide more clarity to the current endings, and what you posted definitely fills that requirement. But we'll find out soon. I don't feel that bad that almost all of the content in the leaked script found its way into the game somehow, though Kai Leng could've been made more menacing... Still, I think I prefer the order things play out in the final game, rather than in the leaked script, but the script may not have been in sequential order... Anyways, thanks for posting this extra Catalyst stuff!

[B3ckett]

Both the leaked script and the initial idea of the Reapers actually being the good guys using inhumane methods settled in my head much much better.

Then, the choice would really be difficult and those decisions would actually make sense.

Destroy ending WOULD be the bad one, as you would destroy those who tried over the millenia to find a way to stop the collapsing universe.
Control/Synthesis would be the good ones, but a bit different. Shepard would become the leader of the force capable of stopping the upcoming devastation of the known universe.

I wish they went that way...

[rollblows]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

NoUserNameHere wrote...

I believe the VS confrontation wasn't going to be centered around the Udina Coup. Pretty sure the coup had something to do with the Hanar homeworld in the leak.

Thessia was changed signifigantly in many ways. Kai Leng's lethality was toned down.

The endings (what segments were in the old leaks) seem basically unchanged.

Not true. An extremely detailed version of the endings was leaked back in Novemeber. Shepard was meant to survive in more than just a few endings, and tech was meant to be kept in Synthesis/Control. There was also a variation of 'epilogue' where Shepard (if alive) would emerge from the Guardian's ruins, to be greated by their LI and Anderson. Shepard and their LI would hug while Anderson would summerise, casualities, technology, outcome, relays, the future, etc.

damit THATS THE ENDING WE ALL WANT WTF BIOWARE

[Ieldra]

Siraea1 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

What changed. The Catalyst scene changed. Here's the version of the leaked script (not the one on pastebin, that's a small summary without dialogue):

Quotes from the Catalyst encounter (leaked script version):

About itself and the organic/synthetic problem:
C: I was created eons ago to solve a problem.
C: To prevent organics from creating an AI so powerful that it would overtake them and destroy them.
(after Shepard says they'd rather keep their own form):
C: Organics will always trend to a point of technological singularity. A moment in time where their creations outgrow them.
C: Conflict is the only result, and extinction the consequence."

This gives a much clearer picture of the organic/synthetic problem from the viewpoint of the Catalyst.

About Destroy:
C: It's energy can be released as a destructive force. Organics will prevail at our expense. All synthetic life will succumb.
C: As will much the technology your kind rely on [possibly optional low EMS variant. Also note how "much" is replaced by "most" in the current version"].
C: Including the relays you depend upon. [no mention of this in the other endings]
S: But the Reapers will be dead?
C: Correct. But the probability of singularity occurring again in the future is certain.

About Control:
C: Harness the Crucible's energy. Use it to take control of the ones you call the Reapers.
S: Control? So the Illusive Man was right.
C: Correct... though he could never have taken control, as we already controlled him.
S: What would happen to me?
C: You will become the catalyst. You will continue the cycle as you see fit.
S: And the Reapers will obey me?
C: Correct. [no ambiguity here, Shepard will continue to exist and the Reapers will obey]

About Synthesis:
C: You may combine the synthetic and the organic.
C: Add your energy, your essence, with that of Crucible. The resulting chain reaction will transform both of our kind.
C: We synthetics will become more like you, and organic life will become like us.
S: So we'll just... go on living, together?
C: It is a very elegant solution. And a path you have already started down. [Note how this points towards a symbiosis instead of a genetic rewrite-analogue]
C: The harvesting will cease. It will be a new ascension, for synthetic and organic life. [no utopian aspect]

I'm actually wondering if they will add this extra dialogue into the Extended Ending DLC. I believe they did say they would provide more clarity to the current endings, and what you posted definitely fills that requirement. But we'll find out soon. I don't feel that bad that almost all of the content in the leaked script found its way into the game somehow, though Kai Leng could've been made more menacing... Still, I think I prefer the order things play out in the final game, rather than in the leaked script, but the script may not have been in sequential order... Anyways, thanks for posting this extra Catalyst stuff!

I certainly hope they'll add this to the EC in some form. I've repeatedly recommended it in several threads and PMs. People will still argue - with some justification - that this isn't thematically fitting given the rest of the trilogy, but at least the scenario is internally consistent instead of riddled with contradictions obvious even to a five-year-old.  

[Ieldra]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

NoUserNameHere wrote...

I believe the VS confrontation wasn't going to be centered around the Udina Coup. Pretty sure the coup had something to do with the Hanar homeworld in the leak.

Thessia was changed signifigantly in many ways. Kai Leng's lethality was toned down.

The endings (what segments were in the old leaks) seem basically unchanged.

Not true. An extremely detailed version of the endings was leaked back in Novemeber. Shepard was meant to survive in more than just a few endings, and tech was meant to be kept in Synthesis/Control. There was also a variation of 'epilogue' where Shepard (if alive) would emerge from the Guardian's ruins, to be greated by their LI and Anderson. Shepard and their LI would hug while Anderson would summerise, casualities, technology, outcome, relays, the future, etc.

I've never seen that version. In the versions I have, Shepard always dies in all but one endings, and I've never seen this epilogue. Do you have a reference?

[Arcamenel]

jediraven82 wrote...

Hmm how bout a Mass Effect 3: Director's Cut?

...I...WANT...THAT!

[Indy_S]

Was that really worth a 7 month necro? If BioWare wants to allocate resources towards it, I wouldn't complain but I'd rather they work on their next project instead.

[Armass81]

"Not true. An extremely detailed version of the endings was leaked back in Novemeber. Shepard was meant to survive in more than just a few endings, and tech was meant to be kept in Synthesis/Control. There was also a variation of 'epilogue' where Shepard (if alive) would emerge from the Guardian's ruins, to be greated by their LI and Anderson. Shepard and their LI would hug while Anderson would summerise, casualities, technology, outcome, relays, the future, etc."

Umm. I read the script much and there was nothing like this in there... Total Biscuit is right. Like he said ending were mostly the same as we got, but no relays exploding(except in destroy) or normandy crashing. I dont know where the hell you pulled this one out. Maybe give us some links as proof?

Modifié par Armass81, 01 février 2013 - 07:17 .

[Armass81]

GimmeDaGun wrote...


The destroy ending would have played out differently then (but the destroy ending would have been the one where the mass relays do destroy - that would have been the price). There could have been a victory and reunification with friends, but with a sense of confusion because of the loss of the technology the galaxy has depended on - the reaper legacy.
The blue ending wouldn't kill Shepard but make him the new Guardian, the "idea" behind the reapers, so the reapers would listen to him and would follow his goals. And there would be the "ultimate sacrafice" with space magic and the mind melding with the reapers: "peace". In this ending Shepard would die, no matter what.
Basically it would have made the reaper armada a huge super intelligent machine-god hive with a queen on it's top.

So...

Leaked script >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the game's actual story


This could have been a great sci-fi epic of an rpg but it has become a mediocre sci-fi and a pretty mediocre shooter... a hub for the MP.

The catalyst is still the "queen" as you put it, or what makes you think otherwise?

Modifié par Armass81, 01 février 2013 - 07:26 .

[Liamv2]

Interesting never seen the leaked scripts before. (don't care if it is a necro)

[dirtdiver32318]

From reading through these comments it sounds like leaked script was much better. Sigh might have had less people angry in the end... We will never know.

[Yougotcarved1]

Hahaha reading this is so funny

Prothean is standing in a crater surrounded by dead Cerberus agents. It
kills the last Cerberus soldier and exits in a cool fashion.

kills the last Cerberus soldier and exits in a cool fashion.

exits in a cool fashion.

cool fashion.

Modifié par Yougotcarved1, 05 novembre 2013 - 07:45 .

[BioWareMod02]

Locking this is even funnier. Lockity lockity lock.