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[pomrink]

Whenever someone doesn't want the ending changed, they say "fairy tale"? No one wants a fairy tale ending, they want one that makes sense and is internally consistant. They don't even formulate an argument, just say fairy tale

[QuirkyGroundhog]

You're Shepard on the Citadel. The Crucible is connected. The fleet is losing badly, as we knew it would, the Crucible was our last hope. The Catalyst tells you the deal.

What internally consistent and sensible solution is there at this point? Short of changing the plot up until the ending?

[pomrink]

The catalyst is where the internal consistency breaks

[Lyrandori]

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

You're Shepard on the Citadel. The Crucible is connected. The fleet is losing badly, as we knew it would, the Crucible was our last hope. The Catalyst tells you the deal.

What internally consistent and sensible solution is there at this point? Short of changing the plot up until the ending?

Adding an epilogue telling us what happens after that in more details maybe?

Something like... say... Dragon Age: Origins' Epilogue from which we learn what happens after the Archdemon is dealt with and most Darkspawn retreat back into the Deep Roads? Yeah something like that. No necessary need for a "blue babies on a farm" happily ever after type of ending. What's necessary is information.

Modifié par Lyrandori, 10 mars 2012 - 08:38 .

[KingNothing125]

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

What internally consistent and sensible solution is there at this point?

Instead of collapsing on a magic elevator that takes you to visit a magical Reaper God Child, the Crucible acts the way everyone expects it to, and shoots a billion lasers that kill all the Reapers.

Congratulations. You now have a satisfying, internally consistent and sensible solution.

Modifié par KingNothing125, 10 mars 2012 - 08:38 .

[majormajormmajor]

Because they have no argument.

[Der Estr Bune]

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

You're Shepard on the Citadel. The Crucible is connected. The fleet is losing badly, as we knew it would, the Crucible was our last hope. The Catalyst tells you the deal.

What internally consistent and sensible solution is there at this point? Short of changing the plot up until the ending?

All of that is totally fine. Just through in an ending where you make it work, and everyone is completely happy. Even if it's just a button push, that's fine. I'll walk through the corpse hallway to kill TIM and push a button, and then gleefully watch credits.

[Tartilus]

That may be the weakest argument I have ever had the misfortune of reading. So your point is that, provided nothing changes, nothing can change. That's a very fine tautology you have there. Would you like to proffer some reasons why the Catalyst's 'deal' could not be altered to make moderately more sense, or why he could not be, as has been a mainstay of the series, reasoned with in some fashion?

[PineappleSalad]

The catalyst was complete crap, and I don't know how anyone could think otherwise. It has NO context in the game whatsoever. Just letting the Citadel remain as the catalyst and having Harbinger explain these same three options to Shepard would have been a better ending, because Harbinger at least has a reason to be there. The ending still would have been unfulfilling, but at least it would have made a tiny bit more sense.

[kramerfan86]

The fairy tale thing is a copout, while it would be nice to have a "perfect" ending it necessary isnt for me personally (I'd like it as an option, but the fact it isnt there isnt the primary beef for me here). Shepard activating the crucible then dying with captain anderson watching victory would have been an amazing yet bittersweet victory. It would have been like Mordin's death, victorious, but a tearjerker nonetheless. That isnt disney but at the same time isnt stupid like the current ending.

[QuirkyGroundhog]

But....the Catalyst is not an anti-Reaper weapon...that's not the point of it. So no...

[Arthorius]

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

You're Shepard on the Citadel. The Crucible is connected. The fleet is losing badly, as we knew it would, the Crucible was our last hope. The Catalyst tells you the deal.

What internally consistent and sensible solution is there at this point? Short of changing the plot up until the ending?

You answered your own question. 

You. Are. Shepard. 

Shepard doesn't care about rules, about odds. That's the whole point about him/her. He can accomplish the impossible, and s/he never bows  before adversity. Shepard always finds a way. That is, until now. 

[KingNothing125]

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

But....the Catalyst is not an anti-Reaper weapon...that's not the point of it. So no...

Says who? The dumb Reaper God Child Thing in the current stupid ending? Who cares. Rewrite it.

[Mr.Snithums]

Honestly when I was watching the whole scene play out, I expected the cinematic ending of Crucible shooting out a localized pulse or death laser that shutdown/blew up the Reapers. It was played up as a solution to the Reapers since the begining so it can at least do its job properly. Is that the most original ending? No, but its what everyone expects and it makes sense to a point, it keeps with the theme and plot of stopping the Reapers and its not like we're missing anything by talking to our ghost child. He never really gives us any real insight into the Reapers. I am more than happy to see Shepard bleedout next to Anderson as they stare out at the Earth. Its a heroicly tragic moment, and it fits well, change it up pending your war assets and such to get your 'happy ending'.

[AxisEvolve]

If you think that's the only argument then you haven't really been listening.

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 10 mars 2012 - 08:56 .

[astrophyzcs]

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

You're Shepard on the Citadel. The Crucible is connected. The fleet is losing badly, as we knew it would, the Crucible was our last hope. The Catalyst tells you the deal.

What internally consistent and sensible solution is there at this point? Short of changing the plot up until the ending?

[Madcat 124]

KingNothing125 wrote...

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

But....the Catalyst is not an anti-Reaper weapon...that's not the point of it. So no...

Says who? The dumb Reaper God Child Thing in the current stupid ending? Who cares. Rewrite it.

I agree. We didn't know what the Crucible did until the end of the game, and if we weren't happy with the ending and there's a new one, what's the big deal? Besides, I honestly thought that the red ending  was just going to kill Reapers and Geth, not eradicate Technology.

[thoaloa]

Only problem is that AI thing is illogical in that the reapers are synthetic lifeforms made from killing organics in a cyclic pattern which is exactly what he said they were trying to stop?

Sure the civilizations of the galaxy didn't create the reapers but even if they never made an AI they would still get harvested after meeting the FTL and size factors for the cycle. (If their real mission was to stop rouge AI incidents then they would just monitor and cull systems that developed an advanced AI so that it would never happen. )

Their reason for existence is just poor and its easy to see how their objective is incomprehensible.

[Polynom92]

seems that organics dont understand...
actually me either

ps: sry for bad english if existing

[kramerfan86]

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

But....the Catalyst is not an anti-Reaper weapon...that's not the point of it. So no...

I dont get your argument, the bad ending makes sense and is the only option because the bad ending says so?  Up until the bad last 5-10 minutes anti-reaper weapons was EXACTLY what the crucible was sold as.

[ticklefist]

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

You're Shepard on the Citadel. The Crucible is connected. The fleet is losing badly, as we knew it would, the Crucible was our last hope. The Catalyst tells you the deal.

What internally consistent and sensible solution is there at this point? Short of changing the plot up until the ending?

Nobody's saying the dots don't connect. They're saying the lines between them are a bit too long and wiggly.

[Kastien]

pomrink wrote...

The catalyst is where the internal consistency breaks

This.

[Raltar]

I'm fine with the endings. I just want an epilogue that tells me what actually happens after when I choose my ending.

[Revan312]

As others have stated ad nausium, the reason the ending makes zero sense is thus.

Reapers = synthetic/organic hybrid race, that kills all organic civilizations every 'cycle', yes that's right, kills, as being liquefied doesn't leave much room for living on no matter how much they want to spew the "we're ascending your people" line.

These reapers do this to make sure synthetics don't rise up and kill all organics.. So to solve all organics being killed by synthetics, you systematically kill all organics, over and over and over..

Makes total sense.. Hey, I heard you've got cancer, lemme bash your brains out to save you from it... Oh, you're having trouble paying your mortgage? I'll just light your house on fire so you don't have to worry about it. What's that? The oceans are being over fished? Well lets just nuke all the fish so that doesn't happen.

Modifié par Revan312, 10 mars 2012 - 09:32 .