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[MasterEmil]

Hello all you truth seeking ME3 fans, i have as you been searching for comfort ever since i finished ME3

I have as you been seaching for the " truth " about the ending, and after a lot of ressearch i think i finally cracked it !
I read 1-2 topics about maybe it was not happening in reality what we see in the ending, and i used some hours thinking it through and about my ME3 ending and i came up with this theory i will now try to explain it to you and i hope you enjoy it and will answer with what you think of it, so i will just begin...

What if, it was all just a dream ? Ask yourself that question, i did, and everything just begang fitting together and I began realising how brilliant Bioware might actually have been when they wrote the ending for ME3.

First the effects IRL of the ending has been massive, have the Mass Effect forums ever seen this much activity ? The ME3 ending is a PR bomb and we all took it in, because you really have to think hard about the ending to realise what it meant

I believe it was really just a dream/halucination that Shepard had after he got hit got badly hurt from the Reaper Weapon

When we finally reach the last 100 Metres where we run and evade the Reapers attacks and everybody dies beside us we get hit 1 time and everything goes Dark, while we are out my theory is that The Normandy came to pick Shepard and the crew he choose to go with him up, and that is when Shepard starts dreaming/halucinating

His halucination starts when he opens his eyes and begins to walk towards the Blue Beam.

When we arrive at The Citadel we hear Captain Anderson speaking to us,  but why is he there? My theory is that Anderson has always been a father figure for Shepard and therefore a big part of his consciousness, so therefore when Shepard is badly injured and is halucinating, Shepards brain has Anderson there because he is a big part of Shepards life, also, we never see Anderson anywhere near the Blue Beam and there is only 1 way inside, and if you look around close to the console there is only 1 way in to the consol as well

The Illusive man is also a big part of Shepards life, not a good part, but he fills alot, therefore Shepards brain also illustrates him in the situation, of course as the bad guy, as he has always beeen poitraited as, again where did he come from? he was never near the Blue Beam


When they are done at the console, we get transferred to the Roof of the citadel, with no oxygen mask or anything, again therefor i believe this is a halucination that Shepards brain is making for him.

A little AI looking boy appers, who is this boy?
 
It is the boy from the beginning, another person whom fills a lot in Shepards mind, we have nightmares about him everytime we sleep, and this for me is the One Reason to why it is all a halucination, because the boy only appear in dream/halucinations, and nobody else knows about him, only Shepard and his brain

The Boy pressents us with 3 options

1 : Control The Reapers as The Illusive Man would : This causes Shepards death

2 :  Synthesize Organic and Mechanic : This causes Shepards death

3 : Kill The Reapers as Captain Anderson would : This causes Shepards Survival

I believe the whole halucinating part is a final test for Shepard, made by himself, his brain is bothered itself with the question if he would make the decision if it really mattered, so therefore it makes this situation, and if he does not take option 3, well then Shepard has failed the humanity that he believed so much in, and bet everything on

Remember that we fight through all the games to kill the reapers, not control or Synthesize. If Shepard looses faith in this, then he has failed himself.

That is why when you choose option 3, you see Jacob trying to get away, and they have crashed on an unknown planet, and Shepards chest moving in an unknown enviroment, although i would bet everything on that Shepard is inside the crashed Normandy, and he woke up because he still believes he can do something about destroying the reapers

And at last the final dialogue between the Star Gazer and the Child, i think the only reason that is there is because they want to tell us, Hey! Mass Effect 4 or a big DLC is on the way ! 

Well this was just my theory, what do you think? 

Do you have anything that could ram it down? Or anything that could encourage it? 

[GoblinSapper]

Several people have had similar theories, myself included. But we're just reaching.

[AlexXIV]

My theory is that destroying ME was the price Bioware had to pay for getting to make SWTOR for LA. LA didn't like ME. I can't think of something better.

[Ultra Prism]

Yes I supporting similar theories, it is possible there will be epilogue DLC as it is possible that development team couldn't put in the game due to constraints ... or how am I kidding myself

[Iorek21]

I hope this is true.

[Lyrandori]

I want to believe in that, truly, but there's a problem (possibly anyway, I think it is one).

If it was a nightmare, or some sort of a near-death experience vision (during Shepard's unconsciousness, or indeed as he/she almost dies out) then why do we see Joker trying to escape the blast. That blast came from the so called dream if it was indeed a dream... but Joker I think wasn't part of the dream... although I'm not sure (that's what I'm saying I THINK it might be a problem to the whole "it was a nightmare" theory).

[Adugan]

*Shepard wakes up in a dumpster after a trip on Red Sand. He is a homeless veteran who was honorably discharged after Akuze/Elysium/Torfan*

[MasterEmil]

Lyrandori : You are right, that might be a problem, but i think it also is a part of the Halucination : as they boy also says it will happen´.

The Shepard chest moving is not a dream

[Iorek21]

Lyrandori wrote...

I want to believe in that, truly, but there's a problem (possibly anyway, I think it is one).

If it was a nightmare, or some sort of a near-death experience vision (during Shepard's unconsciousness, or indeed as he/she almost dies out) then why do we see Joker trying to escape the blast. That blast came from the so called dream if it was indeed a dream... but Joker I think wasn't part of the dream... although I'm not sure (that's what I'm saying I THINK it might be a problem to the whole "it was a nightmare" theory).

Trying to run with Shepard's body, maybe?

And the blast could be something about Shepard's halucination...

[Wattoes]

A cool theory and everything, but its reaching and simply not the case.

Hes also obviously not on the normandy. The explosion when you shoot the tube thing more than justifies the rubble. Also having joker and such glowing green with the synthesize option kind of kills that theory.

[thoaloa]

Lyrandori wrote...

I want to believe in that, truly, but there's a problem (possibly anyway, I think it is one).

If it was a nightmare, or some sort of a near-death experience vision (during Shepard's unconsciousness, or indeed as he/she almost dies out) then why do we see Joker trying to escape the blast. That blast came from the so called dream if it was indeed a dream... but Joker I think wasn't part of the dream... although I'm not sure (that's what I'm saying I THINK it might be a problem to the whole "it was a nightmare" theory).

Although it probably doesnt apply to this case it is entirely possible to have 3rd person dreams its quite a different experience from the standard dreams/nightmares. Dreams can encompass anything which is why it was all a dream can fix anything at a cost.

[MasterEmil]

Wattoes : The Citadel blowing up, and Shepard being out in space wihtout any breating mask or real armor because it has been blown to pieces, i would think Shepard is flyring around in space be cause he is outisde

[Kirkknight]

Great point man. I just hope bioware says something on this cause alot of people are upset about this one.

[Hexxys]

Highly unlikely. Bioware stated quite clearly that they weren't going to pull a Lost on the fans. That was their intention, anyway. In the end, however, all they managed to do is destroy their series and raise more questions.

[Ellestor]

The whole thing screamed indoctrination, to me, especially since every 'solution' fulfilled the Reapers' purpose of eliminating advanced civilizations.

[WhiteKnyght]

Ellestor wrote...

The whole thing screamed indoctrination, to me, especially since every 'solution' fulfilled the Reapers' purpose of eliminating advanced civilizations.

Not quite. Only the tech was destroyed in this case. The survivors of the war are arguably smart enough to rebuild. Hence why the Reapers need to eliminate them as well.

Plus, if Shepard were indoctrinated, his decision wouldn't be left to us to make. He would be compelled to obey the Catalyst. And if Shepard could be indoctrinated, it would have happened when he was aboard the Derelict Reaper or when Object Rho blasted him.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 10 mars 2012 - 12:37 .

[Superninfreak]

Ellestor wrote...

The whole thing screamed indoctrination, to me, especially since every 'solution' fulfilled the Reapers' purpose of eliminating advanced civilizations.

If this turned out to be true, that would actually be incredibly interesting.

Shepard HAS spent a lot of time around Reaper stuff.

[MasterEmil]

That is a great point The Grey Nayr !

I really think it is the only good answer to all the questions

[Ellestor]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Ellestor wrote...

The whole thing screamed indoctrination, to me, especially since every 'solution' fulfilled the Reapers' purpose of eliminating advanced civilizations.

Not quite. Only the tech was destroyed in this case. The survivors of the war are arguably smart enough to rebuild. Hence why the Reapers need to eliminate them as well.

If Reapers' purpose is to prevent a technological singularity, it seems like destroying technology would satisfy that end.

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Plus, if Shepard were indoctrinated, his decision wouldn't be left to us to make. He would be compelled to obey the Catalyst.

Seems to me that you could say he did. Hell, that's the crux of a lot of the complaints I'm seeing: that the Catalyst gives you three galaxy-ending options and Shepard doesn't have a thing to say about it the way he did with the Reaper on Rannoch who gave the very same spiel.

I just think that if he was hallucinating as the OP suggests, it seems to me like something brought on by attempted indoctrination, rather than induced by Shepard's own mind, seeing how it seems to rope him around to this act either way, under the auspices of defeating the Reapers. As if it were finding what already drives him and corrupting it, as we saw happen with TIM's goal of advancing humanity.

Modifié par Ellestor, 10 mars 2012 - 01:00 .

[MasterEmil]

Ellestor : I think it makes perfect sense that Shepards mind makes up the choices, it gives him the biggest power right there, he can get the reapers for himself, all he has to do is just walkt over to the energy source!

But if you do it the right way, you fight the temptation of controlling the reapers and destroy them and then show yourself that you have not lost yourself, and you can keep fighting to live on

[McAllyster]

I had this idea also, but there is a major counter-argument against it: the video after the ending credits.

The grandpa and the children are clearly on the very same planet where the Normandy crashed. They are also hint about the interstellar transporting which seems more legend than a reality.

[Ellestor]

That choice doesn't affect whether Shepard lives or dies, though. He wakes up amidst rubble no matter what you choose. It's dependent on what your effective military strength is going in. 5000+ for that scene.

[MasterEmil]

Ellestor : Are you sure about that? Because i am pretty sure about what i wrote

[Ellestor]

Nope. I know an EMS of 5000 is needed, but I suppose they might both be needed.

Modifié par Ellestor, 10 mars 2012 - 01:22 .