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[Evil_medved]

... No, thats even more stupid that non-dream non-indoctrinated stuff.

[lucidfox]

Nice one, but you almost certainly give the writers too much credit. This was their intended ending and it was intended to be taken literally. We may not accept it for objective reasons such as bad writing, it's our right - all fiction is equally fictional. But still.

Modifié par lucidfox, 10 mars 2012 - 01:23 .

[MasterEmil]

lucidfox : But what would you make of the ending then? Do you really think the writers would just randomly leave that big plot holes in the ending just because they wanted to?

[saracen16]

I think the Catalyst presented itself in a form that was familiar to Shepard, kinda like Legion presenting Shepard with that "gun" in the Geth Consensus mission.

[MasterEmil]

Saracen16 : You could be right, but when Legion does it, he require a big machine, also, why would The Reaper summon him all broken and hurt?

[Lugaidster]

To be honest, I think that the fact that you see his chest moving in rubble means that it was a dream. And if you see the chest in the rubble, that means the he survived the ray blast. That's my take in it...

[mrboo001]

Ellestor wrote...

That choice doesn't affect whether Shepard lives or dies, though. He wakes up amidst rubble no matter what you choose. It's dependent on what your effective military strength is going in. 5000+ for that scene.

You sure? I did the synthesis ending, that didn't happen.  Only when I went back and did distruction did I see that part.

[Elishiaila]

AlexXIV wrote...

My theory is that destroying ME was the price Bioware had to pay for getting to make SWTOR for LA. LA didn't like ME. I can't think of something better.

Would almost make sense. If you would forget about timing and everything. Imho preparations for SWTOR started before Mass Effect. Cooperation with LA, plans, etc. suggest this. But how SWTOR is connected to Mass Effect? To make SWTOR succesful, Bioware had to experiment with some options.

With fast paced, real time combat. With space travel. With representing a vast universe well, as they had to make things bigger than KOTOR. A lot of areas where they had to improve and experiment. And SWTOR and ME is similar in many areas. Dialog system, fast paced combat, etc. Hey, even Dragon Age II prepared us to fights using Lightsaber.

SWTOR is a massive project, and it needs preparation. 

As you see in another thread I have pointed out how Bioware is unprepared for stories of players both in SWTOR and Mass Effect 3, and how their earlier games (like NeverWinter Nights) worked better in the area.

But for Bioware, financially SWTOR is more important, and they can test some story ideas in different environment.

And I am pretty sure that these endings help them to beta test a storyline for SWTOR.

[Azuresquall]

I do like the way you thought this out OP, it certainly would explain the catalyst looking like that little boy (I still refer to him as the bane of ME's existence). However, unless the rest of the 5 minute ending was also a dream, none of what we saw should have actually occurred. And if Shepards last decision was a dream/hallucination, and it had a real effect on the galaxy so much so that the ending played out the way it did and we heard the final story, even ignoring the fact that Shepard could still be alive, that is a magic plot sequence that deserves to be no where near the down to earthness of Mass Effect's core storytelling.

What SHOULD have happened in the ending was your war assets actually mean something, like loyalty from Mass Effect 2. The more war assets you have, perhaps the better chance you have of avoiding that final laser, and making it to the crucible unscathed. Maybe if you don't have enough, various team members you brought with you die instead of you before it gets to Shepard getting hit, in which case, this ending tree that everyone hates would occur (the worst ending) and if he doesn't get hit, we can somehow have a better one.

[CrasVox]

the idea that it was a dream did occur to me. I was always suspecting of such an outcome, due to the fact that Shepard has already died. That the whole Project Lazarus thing was to have a bigger part to play. That he has been dead all along in ME2 and ME3. Or that he would not be able to tell when he had passed on. So this could be. When playing it, it felt like Shepard had died. This last ditch run to the conduit to get to the citadel, seeing everyone get killed in their attempt to reach it, until finally a beam hits Shepard, and he goes black.

He wakes up, armor gone, just a sidearm. Shoot some reapers, get into the Conduit, like ME1. Gets to the Citadel, a part of it he has never seen. Anderson is there some one, and in good shape. Nothing like Shepard, who can barely walk. The Illusive Man is there, his face looking part robot. He talks him down just like he talked down Saren. Shepard shoots Anderson, then saves the galaxy by talking with star child, who takes the same image as the kid who has haunted his dreams.

He sees those he cares about, those he has served with from the beginning, Joker, Liara, Kaiden, they fly off, into the stars, and start life anew on some new planet with two moons.

But then Buzz Aldrin shows up. To me that scene was a statement that, "No, this was not a dream. This really happened." Shepard has become THE Shepard, and has passed into legend as the savior of the galaxy.

The ending still sucked. And Mass Effect's leagacy is destroyed. The Reapers win anyway.

But what if it was just a dream. Then Shepard failed. He died with the rest of them on the foot of the conduit. Reapers finish the job. Destroy Humanity, Earth, the solarians, the krogan, the turians, the asari, all gone. Shepard failed.

The ending still sucked. And Mass Effect's leagacy is destroyed. The Reapers win anyway.

[Johnny_Cheung]

I can think up a damned JOKE... but is pretty sure the ending is not true

Reapers: This is what your ending is!
Shepard: Ah yes, (AIR QUOTE) " ending " - the immortal hallucination holo- boy who claimed himself the Guardian- allegedly waiting at the Crucible above the Citadel. I HAVE DISMISSED THIS CLAIM!!!

[fink0806]

www.change.org/petitions/mass-effect-3-ending-dlc-we-want-a-dlc-that-changes-the-last-minutes-of-the-game

Passing it along

[Sauronvoldemort]

Petitions are goddamn useless

[bigtpsychoboy]

Sauronvoldemort wrote...

Petitions are goddamn useless

Haha I read that in Zaeeds voice. Oh man...

[Sywen]

bigtpsychoboy wrote...

Sauronvoldemort wrote...

Petitions are goddamn useless

Haha I read that in Zaeeds voice. Oh man...

lol I did too

[MasterEmil]

Azuresquall : I agree, i would have liked the game much more if you actually get to control the War Assets you aquire at the end

Azuresquall & Crasvox : It CAN be a dream, just from the last 5 minutes, If we see it like this :

Shepard passes out from his injuries, he gets picked up by his crew while he is out, he starts dreaming and the crew flees to another world while the galaxy is still fighting the reapers, and we hope that Shepard survives so he can get back up and kick the reapers's asses again

Remember ME1 & ME2 was just delaying the Reapers from taking over, so why not in ME3? i know Bioware started this would be the last of this Saga, but when they make so many millions on a game and EA is the publisher, they wont just lay it down !

I am sure Shepard will have another chance to come back and finish the reapers of in reality !

[lltoon]

If Shepard was hallucinating or dreaming, then why doesn't the end show him waking up for real?

[ApophisGoauld]

I don't know, if this explanation isn't only dream.. I hope, it isn't, but I don't know...

[MPSai]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Ellestor wrote...

The whole thing screamed indoctrination, to me, especially since every 'solution' fulfilled the Reapers' purpose of eliminating advanced civilizations.

Not quite. Only the tech was destroyed in this case. The survivors of the war are arguably smart enough to rebuild. Hence why the Reapers need to eliminate them as well.

Plus, if Shepard were indoctrinated, his decision wouldn't be left to us to make. He would be compelled to obey the Catalyst. And if Shepard could be indoctrinated, it would have happened when he was aboard the Derelict Reaper or when Object Rho blasted him.

Or Shepard was indoctrinated and s/he was given the illusion of having a choice? Right before that the Illusive Man, who WAS indoctrinated, was under the delusion of being in control. 

[CommanderWilliams]

Pretty much. That's my ending anyway.

[solidsnake78]

lltoon wrote...

If Shepard was hallucinating or dreaming, then why doesn't the end show him waking up for real?

I would like to think we doing see him wake up for real in the final 20 seconds. (atleast if you choose red and have over 5000 war assets)

[MasterEmil]

Iltoon : egen you choose ro kill the reapers a scene showing shepard breathing / waking up

[CommanderWilliams]

Either Shepard died when the blast hit him and literally everything is his dying dream (Joker too), or when he passed out aboard the Citadel he was dreaming it up. I refuse to accept any of that happened. The scene of Shepard being alive in the RUBBLE points to that he survived the Reaper blast and it was all a dream.

[VonFaart]

I don't give a Rat's Patootie what the ending was supposed to mean or who or what that little kid was or was not supposed to represent... The Ending SUX!

[Lord fiSh]

 

Master Emil wrote... 

The Boy pressents us with 3 options

1 : Control The Reapers as The Illusive Man would : This causes Shepards death

2 :  Synthesize Organic and Mechanic : This causes Shepards death

3 : Kill The Reapers as Captain Anderson would : This causes Shepards Survival

I believe the whole halucinating part is a final test for Shepard, made by himself, his brain is bothered itself with the question if he would make the decision if it really mattered, so therefore it makes this situation, and if he does not take option 3, well then Shepard has failed the humanity that he believed so much in, and bet everything on
.....

That is why when you choose option 3, you see Jacob trying to get away, and they have crashed on an unknown planet, and Shepards chest moving in an unknown enviroment, although i would bet everything on that Shepard is inside the crashed Normandy, and he woke up because he still believes he can do something about destroying the reapers

There is more then this

• 
  in one case, everything will be destroyed 
•  if you have over 5000 EMS 
  (?!)
  and you chose control, Joker (its NOT Jacob) also get away (Video)
•  if you have over 5000 EMS
  (?!)
  and chose Synthesize, Joker also get away, but with a better Ending with EDI (Video)
• With Red, Blue and Green Endings, some Parts of Lodon will be destroyed, in other Endings not

Modifié par Lord fiSh, 10 mars 2012 - 05:13 .