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[MasterEmil]

Lord Fish : true it is Joker, i dont know Why i wrote Jacob

But Shepard still dies right? That is the only thing i care about

[Lord fiSh]

No, Shepard is alive if you have over 5000 EMS and chose to destory the Reaper
http://www.youtube.c..._gE58Bg#t=1472s

[MasterEmil]

As i said in my first post Lord fish

[JayTheWolf]

I think if these "dream/hallucination" theories were right, BioWare would've done a much better job at making it a real possibility like having Shepard briefly awaken to see Kaidan/Ashley fussing over Shepard's wounds.

It's just false hope. Bioware screwed up and we're trying to make sense of their mistakes. That's all.

[frylock23]

And fans don't react well to dreams/hallucinations like this anyhow - see Who Shot JR

[Kveki]

 Well the interesting part is that if this would be true it would make a lot of sense...The kid was a nightmare right from the start just to help us understand the ending.

But then again final scene with the child is something that is telling me that we will play mass effect 4 in far future where Shepard will be just an old story.

[Untamed_skies]

I think it might be more realistic he died getting to the console, everything up to the point makes enough sense I think it's real. Anderson could have survived the beam, Sheppard never thought to look back he kept fighting and struggling to go forward. It isn't until he's reaching for the console and collapses that the pillar of "white" takes him upwards to meet with the AI/God thing.

I think he's dead there, it opens a realm of Shepard's true consciousness, has he tried to be controlling everything, has he tried to destroy all of the potential enemies too humanity, has he been trying too unite everything into one peaceful existence? The fact that the third option fuses all life everywhere into a organic synthetic hybrid kinda states either it's not real or the citadel is god.But it'd also explain the normandy running away.

Sheppard and everyone else were pretty much dead set on we fight or we die, if we fail here then the galaxy dies so they can't ever just quit. No one else in the crew would have turned hightail and run, Joker might have but not without EDI. But Shepard loved and cared for his crew so his dying wish/dream probably revolved around hoping they get somewhere safe. And the Normandy crash lands into a variable garden of Eden. Someplace where it's sunny and probably has beaches.

[futeki]

I think my main problem with the dream scenario is that you're still right back where you started. The Citadel isn't open, so the Crucible won't work. The Reapers can't be destroyed until that happens so...nothing is really accomplished. Maybe if some other members of the team got through the beam to the Citadel, they could have shut it off. Then you and your crew could take off and help rebuild.

[neuhikari]

Kveki wrote...

 Well the interesting part is that if this would be true it would make a lot of sense...The kid was a nightmare right from the start just to help us understand the ending.

But then again final scene with the child is something that is telling me that we will play mass effect 4 in far future where Shepard will be just an old story.

if we really gonna do that I hope it will be shepard and her/his spouse's heir

so we can have a positive ending of the me3 in the froms os flashbacks how their child remembers his/her parents and what happened after the war who's gonna be the enemy ?

[redbaron76]

That is all well said op, but then when you look at the scene where reapers get red static over them and tople is not a dream sequence. Reapers are all destroyed and galaxy is saved. Nad the scene of grand father and grandson, is actually on a moon of a gas giant not a planet. So it would be intresting if normandy crashed on the moons of one of gas giants in sol system. And since scene indicates that shepard is alive in the rubble, that means he might get a chance to recover normandy's crew and ashley or any other LI. I hope that we get this as DLC.

[MasterEmil]

Untamed Skies : you might be right that he first died at the console next to Anderson its plausable, just like my theories

Redbaron76 : i still think that the way all the reaper dies is a dream

[djneohlp]

i'm thinking that whole thing trough over and over again since i finished me3 on thursday...
like the OP said..
This whole thing from shep gets hit by that beam must be a hallucination.
There are to many connections to the dream sequences.
The little boy at the begining was real. He died.
Then he reappears in Sheps dreams. And in the end he is a "GOD"? No way.
The only logical consequence from that is that nothing after shep gets hit is real...

[Texhnolyze101]

AlexXIV wrote...

My theory is that destroying ME was the price Bioware had to pay for getting to make SWTOR for LA. LA didn't like ME. I can't think of something better.

LA?

[IronSabbath88]

I could actually see this making sense. Like many have said before, why did Shepard suddenly lose his armor? Why did Anderson suddenly end up ahead of him? How did the Illusive Man suddenly get there with no explanation?

It all seems a little TOO convienent, and Shepard was having nightmares all game, perhaps it WAS some form of Reaper indoctrination or something. Perhaps the secret ending where Shepard lives is actually him starting to come to.

[Texhnolyze101]

Sywen wrote...

bigtpsychoboy wrote...

Sauronvoldemort wrote...

Petitions are goddamn useless

Haha I read that in Zaeeds voice. Oh man...

lol I did too

Same hahaha

[Luigitornado]

I have a similar theory except a little bit less "dreamy."

I believe everything up to the point where Hacket radios Shepard is in fact totally real, but everything after that point happens in a VR within the Citadel.

It could be explained as a call back from that one mission with Legion where Shepard enters the Geths' Consensus and there are certain instances where Shepard uses his own memories to make sense of what he is witnessing.

It starts with Shepard at his end and not knowing how to activate the the Crucible and loosing consciousness. I know a lot of people are saying "The Crucible didn't work! Shepard dreamt that it did!" but that doesn't sit well with me. If you plug a flash drive into a computer, and you want to run a program from it, you still need to activate the program, but that doesn't mean the computer doesn't recognize whatever you plugged into it. Anyway..w/e

So when the floor panel elevates Shepard into that "secret room" it gets very surreal very quickly. First we are introduced to this Guardian/Catalyst character who has taken the form of the little boy that has been haunting Shepard since the intro. Now I do believe that Shepard is actually conversing with this entity, but it is something more than that: it is taking place in a VR world similar to where Shepard was taken by Legion...except this time he is within the Citadel's operating network, and Shepard is projecting his memory of the boy to make sense of this program/catalyst/guardian so he can converse to it.

Then there is the finale, and the infamous three choices. Did anyone stop and think that how the choices were presented to us? It was very informal. I get that it is cinematic and everything, but it almost felt either like a typical video-gamey writing or that indeed Shepard was in a VR world.

I mean really now?

"Shoot this to destroy the Reapers, jump into this beam to mesh organics with synthetics, grab this to take control of the Reapers."

I do believe that Shepard was giving those options, I just wouldn't be surprised if Shepard was using his consciousness to make the choices appear physical, so it is something he can comprehend while within Citadels...network., which is again a call back to the time with Legion where you are using a gun to destroy the programs.

Then there is the Normandy crash scene. I know this is a reach, but I've been thinking a lot about why Bioware decided to include it. I really don't think it was just some last minute after thought, and it was suppose to be symbolic of something. I've came to the conclusion that it's Shepard final thoughts of his actions, and it is symbolic of him giving a second chance to galatic life and that he succeeded in what he sent out to accomplish.

I'm content with this, and it kind of brought me peace as far as the Normandy goes. This also takes care of that silly plot of hole having squad mates, who we thought died by Harbinger's laser... miraculously appearing back on the Normandy in that final scene.

I'm not posting this so people can disprove me, I thought I'd just share my thoughts.

Modifié par Luigitornado, 10 mars 2012 - 07:01 .

[MasterEmil]

Lugitornado : you make good points, But you have not accounted the scene where Shepard breathes?

[mupp3tz]

The thing is, if Bioware had only thought of this "hallucination" twist we've all schemed out... the ending would be ONE HELL OF AN EPIC ONE. Oh man. I'm sure the posts on the forum would be along the lines of "Wow, didn't see that coming..."

[Luigitornado]

MasterEmil wrote...

Lugitornado : you make good points, But you have not accounted the scene where Shepard breathes?

No thoughts on it yet.

Does that only happen in one of the choices? Or can it happen in all of them? My Shepard didn't breathe, so I haven't been able to make sense of it yet.

[MasterEmil]

Luigitornado : it only happens when you have +5K war assets and choose to kill the reapers

[IronSabbath88]

I think that's considered the best ending because it gives you a possible teaser that Shepard did infact think all this up while he was passed out and was just starting to regain himself.

[gothicslo]

I also think this is a dream, i picked tali to go with me and in the end scene she is on the normandy? No way this is real even that scene.

[C Trayne]

this is an amazing idea and would be even more amazing if it were true... however the point that rams this idea down is the fact that this is bioware we're talking about...

I think I'll go watch the matrix movies again just to get this terrible ending out of my head

[gothicslo]

Butt they should make it quick or they will losse fans and then they can add a life with tali and his kids common bioware shepard deserves it

[Luigitornado]

MasterEmil wrote...

Luigitornado : it only happens when you have +5K war assets and choose to kill the reapers

I do, and I did, but I must have missed that scene.