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[I have to go]

Why would they reply? They've already made their money.

[GholaHalleck]

Look, i know folks are annoyed and raging and justified in that, but these people aren't able to jsut snap their fingers and make you feel better. They aren't sitting at a desk working at 2 am, nor can they flick a batman-esque Bioware signal, calling in their people.
You have to give them time to digest what they're seeing, and to work with PR to get something out there that's not going to turn the frothing rage into a riot of players. Remember Blizzcon? Do we REALLY want to have a Bioware version of that train wreck?
So relax, don't let your anger get away from you, and give them the time they need to give us something of quality.
Save the pitchforks for when they announce another custom appearance pack instead. *Smirks*

[Haventh]

morel142 wrote...


 Come on, I'm sure your PR department is trying to cover this mess up with huge payoffs to all the review sites. However grow a spine...
 
 Respond to us...

 Answer us...

 I frigging DARE you to.. You won't though, because you have nothing to say to defend the total crap job you pulled on the ending.  

 Bah.. Fine, keep hiding.. Damn company shills....

I don't understand this kind of behavior. I do understand, and respect your right to have your opinion, but this seems to be more than an opinion. It seems like you are forcefully trying to make people agree with you, or do things your way, and you don't even care to be constructive.  

The reason I don't understand this is because with movies, TV shows, music and games, me and every sensible person I know stick to what they like, and if a company decide to make a game in a certain way that does not appeal to us, we might state our opinion, but we won't demand that the company follow our opinion, after the product have been released. Actually, we don't make any demands what so ever.

Meh, but it  is nothing new that whenever someone tries to go off the norm and let art run free people will not appreciate it.

[realpokerjedi]

The endings are horrible and may ruin the series for some (myself included).
However critics can't write off a game for that, they have to take the mechanics of the game into account.
They are good, maybe even great.
Of course when game informer gave it a 10.0 I laughed pretty hard.
These people aren't paid off, they judge the game on all fronts and story usually is the last thing they look at.
In RPG's it shouldn't be that way, but that's how it is.
I'm one of the people who can step outside my own personal feelings and judge.
Even doing that, I just can't see anyone but the minority of fans liking these outcomes.
I don't know if this was bioware taking a risk or just being stupid.
Probably both.
It also doesn't help video game fans have a label printed on their heads, that scream complainer.
In this case, Mass Effect fans have a great point, but because they are lumped in with every complaining fanboy it takes away from our case.
I think we just need to face the facts, Bioware made us bend over and grab our ankles on this one.
Endings will never change ,they will apologize and exclaim they can't please everyone but say they love the endings.
They will then preach about their DLC and how all the questions will be anwsered and people on average will be dumb enough to buy it.
Move on or don't.

Modifié par realpokerjedi, 10 mars 2012 - 03:22 .

[xAGATHONx]

Boo Bioware...why did you sell your souls to EA!? Way to ruin an amazing trilogy in a brief 5 minutes...sad day

[Elishiaila]

whoisthis98 wrote...

This is the truth. ONLY way we get new endings is if NO ONE buys their next game. The only thing they care about is their wallet. Hit em where it hurts.

Their next game isn't important for them. SWTOR is.

[Elishiaila]

realpokerjedi wrote...

Of course when game informer gave it a 10.0 I laughed pretty hard.

Hint: When you write a review there is a thing called Deadline. If EA times things right, most reviewers have to rate the game before they see the ending. Next thing they can do is to make sure the game is reviewed by someone who loves action genre, who would accept the ending even is he hears about it / sees it. Point out how worse games got pretty high scores, and you are set.

[Paparob]

I'll give'em until March 20th at the most to at least say something about this. If they don't Bioware just won't be Bioware to me anymore.

Modifié par Paparob, 10 mars 2012 - 03:48 .

[Dynomite15]

Xellith wrote...

For those of you using the popular poll in your signature like myself - you might want to update your signature. The poll now stands at around 8100 votes and gaining 500-1000 every day.

I don't like your poll. I don't care if we get a brighter ending. I just want one that makes sense in the ME universe, and with my decisions in mind. I dont care that the normandy was stranded on some planet as long as the reason they were stranded was because of my decisions throughout the series.

[Vikali]

Dynomite15 wrote...

Xellith wrote...

For those of you using the popular poll in your signature like myself - you might want to update your signature. The poll now stands at around 8100 votes and gaining 500-1000 every day.

I don't like your poll. I don't care if we get a brighter ending. I just want one that makes sense in the ME universe, and with my decisions in mind. I dont care that the normandy was stranded on some planet as long as the reason they were stranded was because of my decisions throughout the series.

Quoted for troof.

[Andsmth85]

I literally played this game with a smile on my face until the final chapter thats how much i enjoyed it , but then came one of my buddies who told me about the endings , i havent touched it ever since and i refuse to ever beat it until they make a patch/Dlc or something .

I really dont get what the f the writers were thinking when they came up with these endings , seriously , i mean im not trying to be an idiot or anything i just want to understand . How can anyone deemed a goid enough writer for such a fine gaming team as Bioware come up with such crap it is so god damn unbelievable that im starting to think we are being trolled .

[Lexagg]

Haventh wrote...
I don't understand this kind of behavior. I do understand, and respect your right to have your opinion, but this seems to be more than an opinion. It seems like you are forcefully trying to make people agree with you, or do things your way, and you don't even care to be constructive.  

The reason I don't understand this is because with movies, TV shows, music and games, me and every sensible person I know stick to what they like, and if a company decide to make a game in a certain way that does not appeal to us, we might state our opinion, but we won't demand that the company follow our opinion, after the product have been released. Actually, we don't make any demands what so ever.

Meh, but it  is nothing new that whenever someone tries to go off the norm and let art run free people will not appreciate it.

Wait, you can't understand why people feel emotional about the issue? Did you actually play the game? It's silly to call people to be patient and constructive after pulling the biggest emotional insult in the history of video gaming.

[jb1983]

 Let's be real here on why they haven't replied:

1) They released the game in the US on Tuesday. It still needs to be released worldwide - if they state, "Sorry brah, gonna fix that ending for ya" before it comes out worldwide, they could really hurt their sales (which would hurt their ability to make DLC to fix it, and so on). 

2) It's the weekend. C'mon.

3) They probably want to rally the writers and come up with a solution (if they're going to fix it) before making any announcements. Going about this ad hoc is probably what got them in trouble in the first place. 

4) The wording of any announcement of DLC has to be very careful, as well as where they go from here if they do fix the DLC

5) They have to get approval from an entire board of people to do so; changing the DLC would require a change to any future storyboards on ME products in the ME universe

6) Wasn't there a tweet from one of the producers of the game saying that this was a very difficult week? After a successful launch, to say it's a hard week means he's probably well-aware of the massive fan backlash

So I say, give them some time, towards the end of next week or the end of the month. If it hasn't been addressed by then, if they can't own up to their mistake (or at least say something on it), then it might be best to just realize that Bioware has jumped the shark and think back to better times with them. 

I'm holding my breath, but if they can't fix the endings, I'm probably never getting involved in any future Bioware products because I just don't want my gaming experience to end up ruined by horrible writing at the conclusion.

[morel142]

Andsmth85 wrote...

I literally played this game with a smile on my face until the final chapter thats how much i enjoyed it , but then came one of my buddies who told me about the endings , i havent touched it ever since and i refuse to ever beat it until they make a patch/Dlc or something .

I really dont get what the f the writers were thinking when they came up with these endings , seriously , i mean im not trying to be an idiot or anything i just want to understand . How can anyone deemed a goid enough writer for such a fine gaming team as Bioware come up with such crap it is so god damn unbelievable that im starting to think we are being trolled .

 Well, a Film being changed is downright (almost) impossible.. Contracts with actors costing millions, scheduling, and the fact that it's a finished product and you can't re-release it into theaters.. Only Lucas had this kind of pull, money, and flat out willpower to do it.. 
 Books have had follow ups and re-writes however the cost is much lower and the time invested in reading a 20 dollar hardback is a couple of hours depending on the length..

 Now with computer games, that are by their very definition and production cycle can be altered, added to, and patched as needed.. And they'll most likely be able to see additional income by a DLC. 

 The very WORSE thing Bioware can do atm is pull a Valve and say nothing about their biggest and longest running franchise just ending and refusing to even acknowledge it other then vague comments off the record.. 

 I'm not expecting a detailed report, or something like that.. I just want them to state we see this.. We know your unhappy, and somehow we'll make it better...  That's it..  

Most every single person hates to be flat out ignored..

[morel142]

lasertank wrote...

sunnydxmen wrote...

the game was not horrible neither was the ending it was just not what you expected the synthesis is the best ending to me.

Why does the synthesis requires Shepard to dissolve himself? Is there any special about his gene? Or just a excuse for a contrived story? If synthesis is a best solution, why had not it been adopted in previous cycles? Why would Shepard would choose such a way out after 5 minutes kid's talk? What about the "We fight or we die" slogan?

 Oh THAT was a huge WTF moment.. 

 OK, you've spent the past 5 years or so battling and preparing and trying to understand the Reapers... Then finally you meet the AI who actually CREATED them.. And we get one or two dialog choices with the "God AI".. Shepard takes more time to argue the facts with the Batarrian Terrorist then he/she does with the AI who's responsible for destroying all organic life in the galaxy over a million years..  Yes I know he/she's under pressure and time is critical, but I would take a few moments to ask a few simple questions..

 Not to mention that Shepard just accepts the AI's reasoning and motives at face value.. This kid AI was basically the single reason that hundreds of trillions of living beings have been melted down and destroyed civilations for eons.. 
 
 Oy! 

[Scott Sion]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

Lady Catastrophe wrote...

They've made their money and pushed their most popular series to one side now that they're (for the most part) done with it. They don't care anymore. Why should they?

Because they have still  to release DLC .
So, after people have seen the ending, I am really curious to know how many of them are going to buy DLC.  
Since they've already let us know there won't be any post ending DLC they will probably be chronologically put before the final mission. Therefore they have to persuade people to buy DLC and gave them other money for a story which ends in that way.

No one is going to want to pay for pre final mission DLC if they keep the ending as is. Lets forget about ME3 DLC for a moment, no one is going to want to invest any more money in Bioware games and DLC period. People will feel like they're being set up for disappointment and not even bother with Bioware.  

I don't know what happened to all of Bioware's good writers, but Dragon Age 2 had a shaky story and now ME3's ending pretty much ruined the whole series. Until Bioware fixes the mess they made at the end of ME3 and gets better writers then I'm done with them and after reading everything on the forums it's clear that a large portion of their fan base is taking the same stance. 

[t003]

They don't need to publicly apologize they just need to release the endings DLC. Thats all the apology I need. Hell just throw it in with next DLC pack and no one will be non the wiser.

[eye basher]

The entitlement it's strong with this one.

[Trisskit]

Let me preface this by saying that I feel the same as everyone else who was upset with the endings. I was destroyed when I finally saw the outcome of all of our time and investment, and I haven't been able to pick up the game since.

That said, I believe that people need to give Bioware a chance to gather themselves and prepare a genuine response. I don't think for a moment that the fan response is suddenly going to swing in a positive direction with the addition of opinions from the rest of the world, far from it, but don't jump down their throats because they're waiting for the right time to respond.

And as much as I want new endings, threatening and angrily demanding things from Bioware is not going to help. Complaining about the endings and rallying around a desire for new ones is one thing, and I'm right there with you. But when you really get down to it, regardless of how backwards we see the end of the game, Bioware as a business doesn't owe us anything more than what we received. Which is, again, despite everyone's opinion of the endings, a finished game.

That's my two cents, anyway. I'm going to go nurse my broken heart.

Modifié par Trisskit, 10 mars 2012 - 06:24 .

[Scott Sion]

Trisskit wrote...

Let me preface this by saying that I feel the same as everyone else who was upset with the endings. I was destroyed when I finally saw the outcome of all of our time and investment, and I haven't been able to pick up the game since.

That said, I believe that people need to give Bioware a chance to gather themselves and prepare a genuine response. I don't think for a moment that the fan response is suddenly going to swing in a positive direction with the addition of opinions from the rest of the world, far from it, but don't jump down their throats because they're waiting for the right time to respond.

And as much as I want new endings, threatening and angrily demanding things from Bioware is not going to help. Complaining about the endings and rallying around a desire for new ones is one thing, and I'm right there with you. But when you really get down to it, regardless of how backwards we see the end of the game, Bioware as a business doesn't owe us anything more than what we received. Which is, again, despite everyone's opinion of the endings, a finished game.

That's my two cents, anyway. I'm going to go nurse my broken heart.

No one has threatened or demanded a new ending from Bioware. People have stated that they will no longer buy Bioware products until this mess is fixed. If people didn't do this Bioware would write it off as a problem that will fade over time and hardcore Mass Effect fans would be stuck with this terrible ending to an otherwise amazing series.  If they ignore the "Please change this or we won't by your products." they might act differently. They could write this off as well, but there's a chance that Bioware isn't willing to take that risk over and ending that could easily be fixed, if they do that says a lot about the type of company Bioware has become.

Bioware always tells an amazing story and I'm not sure why they would give us this ending; time constraints or budget perhaps? All I know is I wouldn't be able to bring myself to buy another Bioware game if they can't or would not be willing to make this right.

[Trisskit]

plnero wrote...

Trisskit wrote...

Let me preface this by saying that I feel the same as everyone else who was upset with the endings. I was destroyed when I finally saw the outcome of all of our time and investment, and I haven't been able to pick up the game since.

That said, I believe that people need to give Bioware a chance to gather themselves and prepare a genuine response. I don't think for a moment that the fan response is suddenly going to swing in a positive direction with the addition of opinions from the rest of the world, far from it, but don't jump down their throats because they're waiting for the right time to respond.

And as much as I want new endings, threatening and angrily demanding things from Bioware is not going to help. Complaining about the endings and rallying around a desire for new ones is one thing, and I'm right there with you. But when you really get down to it, regardless of how backwards we see the end of the game, Bioware as a business doesn't owe us anything more than what we received. Which is, again, despite everyone's opinion of the endings, a finished game.

That's my two cents, anyway. I'm going to go nurse my broken heart.

No one has threatened or demanded a new ending from Bioware. People have stated that they will no longer buy Bioware products until this mess is fixed. If people didn't do this Bioware would write it off as a problem that will fade over time and hardcore Mass Effect fans would be stuck with this terrible ending to an otherwise amazing series.  If they ignore the "Please change this or we won't by your products." they might act differently. They could write this off as well, but there's a chance that Bioware isn't willing to take that risk over and ending that could easily be fixed, if they do that says a lot about the type of company Bioware has become.

Bioware always tells an amazing story and I'm not sure why they would give us this ending; time constraints or budget perhaps? All I know is I wouldn't be able to bring myself to buy another Bioware game if they can't or would not be willing to make this right.

I get what you're saying. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. I should have been more specific in referencing the people who are just saying they're done with Bioware period, regardless of whether they make a fix or not. I think what I'm trying to say is that if everyone said that (which as you rightly stated, they haven't) Bioware wouldn't need to bother with any new dlc etc. because if everyone stuck to their guns, there wouldn't be many people left to buy it anyway. It's that attitude that I don't agree with.

Thanks for the perspective!

[anihilato]

It's the weekend. Let them get back to work, and then formulate a proper responce.

[Thoragoros]

whoisthis98 wrote...

they paid good money for those scores if only they spent the money on a writer instead

this.

[MattFini]

I think it's only fair to see what happens this week. This ****storm largely broke over the weekend, so it's unfair to expect a quick response.

Let's wait and see.

[Helmnath]

Might get some acknowledgement from community reps sometime in the week but I would not expect any serious movement or update on this issue until the Japanese get their localised copy on the 15th.