Ok, so I just finished ME3 and I have a few questions. Some background first though. I played it on the PS3 because I do not own a 360. I did play ME1 on my cousin's 360 though and I used those choices in ME2 on the PS3 and then imported that character into ME3. My Shepard is mostly paragon, romanced Tali, destroyed the collector base, and I had 100% galactic readiness and well over 7000 points of gathered forces.
Now, I didn't expect a happy ending. I knew the final choices were going to be tough and I'm ok with Shepard dieing. In fact I loved the endings, aside from the Normandy crashing (with Tali on it... who was rushing the tower with me >_>), and the old man at the end... meh.
But I have some questions about the choices leading up to the ending and what outcomes or scenarios I may have missed.
The first and most pressing question I have is about TIM. I made just about every single paragon choice in the game. My bar was as high as I could imagine it being... but the final dialogue choice when talking with the illusive man had both renegade and paragon choices... and both were grayed out. Did I miss something? Is it even possible to get that last paragon choice? And if so, what happens?
I was forced to shoot TIM (The renegade button prompt) because I didn't want him to kill Anderson. What happens if I missed that prompt? Is it possible to talk TIM down? And if so, what effect does it have on the ending.
Now, I know most of you probably don't know what Bioware was thinking either... but the Normandy crashing... what? I mean, where was it going? Why was Tali on it when she was with me on earth? Where did they land? How are we supposed to believe that a crippled human, an AI, a Quarian, a Prothean, and whoever else may have survived... will be able to do... anything. Seems to me like that whole scene should have been cut out.
And about the old man and the child... I just don't like that at all because I prefer to imagine what happened in the future myself. But I hear there was a secret ending even beyond the old man... something about Shepard's armor or something. I chose to control the reapers so I know Shepard is dead. (Which also raises some questions... how does a dead man control anything?).
Ugh... sorry for going on and on, I'm just trying to process this ending. It was quite a ride. Thanks for taking the time to read this, and thank you in advance for answering my questions, it will really help me wrap my head around these lat few hours.[/b]
Some questions about the last 15 minutes of the game...
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DemonsSouls
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Posté 10 mars 2012 - 01:33
lucidfox
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Yes, you can talk TIM into shooting himself, just like Saren.
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Posté 10 mars 2012 - 01:34
DemonsSouls
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lucidfox wrote...
Yes, you can talk TIM into shooting himself, just like Saren.
Well it must have been a glitch because I definitely had enough Paragon points to do the paragon option. That's... dissapointing.
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Posté 10 mars 2012 - 01:35
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My paragon was maxed and I still didn't get that last charm option
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Posté 10 mars 2012 - 01:40
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Fair34 wrote...
My paragon was maxed and I still didn't get that last charm option
Kinda depressing. It's either some obsucre requirement that we missed or a pretty major glitch that Bioware missed.
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Posté 10 mars 2012 - 01:42
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Maybe if you kept the Collector base, the paragon check is higher than you can get in 1 playthrough. Try with NG+ if you want to.
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Posté 10 mars 2012 - 01:48
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Adugan wrote...
Maybe if you kept the Collector base, the paragon check is higher than you can get in 1 playthrough. Try with NG+ if you want to.
Well I imported a character and that gave me a big Paragon boost. And I made mostly Paragon choices throughout ME3. It got to the point where the bar didn't seem to be moving anymore well before the final mission. I hightly doubt Bioware would design a major event like that to be only possible in a NG+
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Posté 10 mars 2012 - 01:55
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I sort of want to believe the whole game was just a story that old man made up, then it seems less terrible, only slightly though.
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Posté 10 mars 2012 - 01:58
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DemonsSouls wrote...
lucidfox wrote...
Yes, you can talk TIM into shooting himself, just like Saren.
Well it must have been a glitch because I definitely had enough Paragon points to do the paragon option. That's... dissapointing.
Yeah if you try to "reason" TIM he commits suicide, saying something like "I tried Shepard". Basically it's like Saren, he also commits suicide via Paragon influence, they realize they had been indoctrinated and boom, they go. Now for the Normandy crash, yep, it confuses the heck out of pretty much everyone even if you'd happen to like the endings until that point, at least that point is retarded.
Finally, something to consider, is that since the past few days there's a theory going on regarding the endings (any of them) is that from the moment that Harbinger hits Shepard with his last beam attack then from that point Shepard is effectively either simply unconscious or about to die "in reality", but not actually dead per se, just barely alive. From that point, Shepard has something along the line of a near-death experience, or a nightmare if you want, and everything following the moment we see Shepard standing up after the beam hits him/her is the hallucination thing playing out.
Why the theory?
Well, from the moment Shepard regains consciousness after the beam hits him/her and stands up to limp his/her way to the beam to get to the Citadel, things move in slow-motion, sounds are muffled, there's a relatively incoherent radio message playing that implies that everyone died during the assault... if that was the case then no one would have been able to actually report that "fact" to anyone, nor to transmit the radio message, and also Shepard stands up by then and so not everyone died as the message implies, something isn't right about that message. Additionally, the pistol we find, and the three Husks we kill, they take tremendous damage from that single pistol... strange.
Then, inside the Citadel, dark alley, people scattered around Shepard, and somehow Anderson contacts Shepard, he also made it (how, he wasn't in front of Shepard when the group ran for the beam, if Anderson just happened to be behind Shepard and just made it anyway, and Shepard happened to make it after Anderson, then that still doesn't make sense, since the last beam is supposed to have killed anyone that would have happened to stand behind Shepard, so if Anderson was behind, left or right, he'd have died (remember the radio message, it says everyone died, but Anderson and Shepard were alive).
Finally, in the Citadel still, when Shepard painfully limps his/her way towards the platform (taking the ONLY pathway to that platform, there's NO others) Anderson contacts Shepard saying that indeed they made it in the Citadel but that he (Anderson) ended up "somewhere else". That's unlikely since when Shepard gets to the platform we can see Anderson being there first (that's "ok", since Anderson does describe the control panel before Shepard gets to it) BUT... there's NO other walkways to get there, if Anderson reached the panel first, then he would have ended up in the same spot where Shepard got to in the first place.
Then, the Illusive Man arrives, from where? He wasn't "behind" anyone, and wasn't part of the group assault outside whom ran for the beam, nor was he anywhere around, and even if he was and did run for the beam AFTER everyone "supposedly" died (radio transmission) then how did he make it there, Harbinger was there, and Harbinger wants TIM dead as well, or at least controlled (indoctrinated) since TIM knows that by controlling the Reapers via their own indoctrination stuff then we could stop them (problem is TIM wants to use the controlled Reapers to make sure that humanity can dominate, no illusions here TIM really was a madman, but the principle of controlling the Reapers via their own stuff made sense after all, it's the final intention of what to do with Reapers obeying you that mattered).
Now, after the TIM "confrontation" Shepard sits by Anderson's side, and after Andersons' "death" we clearly see the camera focusing on Shepard's blood loss as he/she looks at it. At some point, Hackett contacts Shepard and mentions that "something must be wrong on your side" since nothing is happening even if the Crucible did connect with the Citadel as intended, he (Hackett) tells Shepard to maybe check for a control panel. At that point Shepard's physical condition (trauma, blood loss, shock) is too great and before being able to touch the panel he/she replies to Hackett something like "... can't see ..." (and almost chokes in his/her own blood during the reply, very hard to hear in my opinion thanks to great voice-acting) and then collapse, seemingly dead or unconscious (again? possibly).
Then, that Catalyst child entity stuff comes in and Shepard suddenly has enough force left to stand up again (much longer and efficiently so than prior to trying to touch the panel) and has an actual conversation with that entity about what it does, what it is, what it wants (but could barely talk at all when replying to Hackett)...
So... yeah, that's the "it was a nightmare" theory stuff going right now.
ALSO, don't forget... if you have enough war assets stuff at the end you can hear Shepard trying to breath from rubles. There's no rubles on the Citadel (that's where Shepard was until the end), the only ruble there could be is the ruble resulting from the blast from Harbinger back on Earth, which is where Shepard tries to breath in that ending, which would imply clearly that Shepard never actually stood up after the beam hit him/her in the first place and that... and... well that it was all a nightmare.
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