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[Ahviro]

My played time was around 30 hours and I did pretty much everything in the game. Game was released for the majority only yesterday. 

Just wait Bioware, you're in deep S**T.

Also here's a nice video: 
 

How come you ruin such a good saga in the last 15 minutes? That must be an achievement of some kind.

Mass Effect
2007 - Last 15 minutes
R.I.P. 

My feelings:
 

Modifié par Ahviro, 10 mars 2012 - 01:53 .

[Aligalipe]

Lol my thoughts exactly. I mean the game was Epic until the last 15 minutes.

[Ahviro]

"And of course for the players of Mass Effect 1 and 2. They can dig deeper. They can find out what their choices did" - Mac Walter, Lead writer

So what did I found out? Reapers are gone, there's peace between guarians and geth, krogans got their genophage cured.

But then in every ending mass relays are destroyed. Millions of aliens are left Sol system to starve to death. Even with FTL drives it would make thousands of years to get back to their home world. Saddest part is that the quarians who just got their home world Rannoch back can't get there mass relays being destroyed.

I really thought Shepard would die. The situation felt impossible. I would have understood if Shepard died for others to be happy. But wth...

And what about the Normandy crash. Where the hell are they? That's clearly nowhere near our solar system. Guardian decided to isolate shepard's squad from others with some crazy teleportation trick?`

There's no word how disappointed I am. After I had gone through all the endings I felt almost depressed. Bioware made a bad decision by selling their souls to EA.

[SilencedScream]

Luc0s wrote...

Ahviro wrote...

Even with FTL drives it would make thousands of years to get back to their home world. Saddest part is that the quarians who just got their home world Rannoch back can't get there mass relays being destroyed.

You're wrong actually. With FTL drives it would actually take only 27 years to go from one side of the galaxy to the other side of the galaxy.

Yes, it takes only 26 years of FTL travel to cross the entire Milky Way galaxy. It would indeed an undertaking of epic proportions to travel from Earth back to your home planet, but it's not impossible.

Just going off the Mass Effect Wikia (so, if it's wrong, I apologize - I'm just posting this to back you up)...

FTL allows for ~12 light-years in the course of a day. This is 4380 light years in 365 days (I'm leaving leap years off).
The Milky Way is 100,000-120,000LY.

So...
100,000/4380 = 22.8 years
120,000/4380 = 27.4 years

So, depending on size, it could take anywhere from 22.8-27.4 years to travel at today's distances (the universe is expanding, but I don't know enough about science to say whether or not that means that the Milky Way is expanding as well).

EDIT:
With all of that said...
I still agree that the endings were an abomination.
I just wanted to correct my own previous misgivings (at one point, I also thought it would take hundreds, if not thousands, of years).

Modifié par SilencedScream, 10 mars 2012 - 04:47 .

[Ahviro]

Luc0s wrote...

Ahviro wrote...

Even with FTL drives it would make thousands of years to get back to their home world. Saddest part is that the quarians who just got their home world Rannoch back can't get there mass relays being destroyed.

You're wrong actually. With FTL drives it would actually take only 27 years to go from one side of the galaxy to the other side of the galaxy.

Yes, it takes only 26 years of FTL travel to cross the entire Milky Way galaxy. It would indeed an undertaking of epic proportions to travel from Earth back to your home planet, but it's not impossible.

Ofc that depends on what is the actual speed those FTL drives can reach.  Milky way galaxy is approximately 
100,000 light-years in diameter. By a a quick division it means you'd have to go approx 3700 times faster than light to travel the entire Milky way galaxy in 27 years. Where did you come up with those numbers? 

[Deltoran]

It will be interesting to see how the rest of the world feels about the endings. Great videos by the way.

[Ahviro]

Deltoran wrote...

It will be interesting to see how the rest of the world feels about the endings. Great videos by the way.

Idd. Well at first those videos felt damn funny. Especially the part where Harbinger says "C'mon guys. I want no part in this retarted ending. We're outta here" :Dd

But then when I look at the video again. It's actually pretty tragic. The saga is finally over. I feel betrayed.

[CommanderWilliams]

Manly tears were shed at the video.

[Ahviro]

Luc0s wrote...

Ahviro wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Ahviro wrote...

Even with FTL drives it would make thousands of years to get back to their home world. Saddest part is that the quarians who just got their home world Rannoch back can't get there mass relays being destroyed.

You're wrong actually. With FTL drives it would actually take only 27 years to go from one side of the galaxy to the other side of the galaxy.

Yes, it takes only 26 years of FTL travel to cross the entire Milky Way galaxy. It would indeed an undertaking of epic proportions to travel from Earth back to your home planet, but it's not impossible.

Ofc that depends on what is the actual speed those FTL drives can reach.  Milky way galaxy is approximately 
100,000 light-years in diameter. By a a quick division it means you'd have to go approx 3700 times faster than light to travel the entire Milky way galaxy in 27 years. Where did you come up with those numbers? 

Based on the codes, which says that with FTL drives you can travel roughly a dozen (12) lightyears over the course of a day (24 hours).

The galaxy is 120.000 light years in diameter (at most).

120.000 divided by 12 = 10.000

10.000 divided by 365 = 27,3

So, that makes 27,3 years to travel from one side of the galaxy to the other side with Mass Effect FTL.

You got the math wrong. 

PS. Light-year is a unit of distance, not time. Basic physics.

Modifié par Ahviro, 10 mars 2012 - 05:40 .

[Deltoran]

Ahviro wrote...

Deltoran wrote...

It will be interesting to see how the rest of the world feels about the endings. Great videos by the way.

Idd. Well at first those videos felt damn funny. Especially the part where Harbinger says "C'mon guys. I want no part in this retarted ending. We're outta here" :Dd

But then when I look at the video again. It's actually pretty tragic. The saga is finally over. I feel betrayed.

Let's just hope Bioware realizes that a whole fleet of people feel that way and do something about it.

[Xenoseroster]

I haven't seen the endings yet myself so I can't say much, but in reguards to crossing the galaxy in 27 years, folks are forgetting about the "logistics" problem. The reason it takes so long to cross inter-stellar distances isn't because the FTL drives are too slow.

The problem is that traveling at FTL speeds means you have to find some place to discharge your drive core regularly. How regularly this is we have no idea based on fact that the games never really had a finite discussion on how far/long a ship could go without discharging, and the gameplay of the games had literally nothing that I could think of in relation to drive discharge.

So what happens is instead of flying from one arm of the galaxy to the other in 27 years in a straight line, you have to leverage known star charts/planets with places to discharge against the general direction you're wanting to go.
Add in the need for fuel restoration along the way and you have a major problem w/ traveling from one side of the galaxy to the other in any feasible amount of time. Bonus points for this problem now that reapers have destroyed most, if not the vast majority, of the known inter-stellar fuel infrastructure.

So, when you think about the in-universe problems of inter-stellar travel w/ no Mass Relays, I'd almost say I'm less worried about how long it will take, and more worried about "Will it work at ALL?"

[Xellith]

This is how I feel.

www.youtube.com/watch

[Ahviro]

Xenoseroster wrote...

I haven't seen the endings yet myself so I can't say much, but in reguards to crossing the galaxy in 27 years, folks are forgetting about the "logistics" problem. The reason it takes so long to cross inter-stellar distances isn't because the FTL drives are too slow.

The problem is that traveling at FTL speeds means you have to find some place to discharge your drive core regularly. How regularly this is we have no idea based on fact that the games never really had a finite discussion on how far/long a ship could go without discharging, and the gameplay of the games had literally nothing that I could think of in relation to drive discharge.

So what happens is instead of flying from one arm of the galaxy to the other in 27 years in a straight line, you have to leverage known star charts/planets with places to discharge against the general direction you're wanting to go.
Add in the need for fuel restoration along the way and you have a major problem w/ traveling from one side of the galaxy to the other in any feasible amount of time. Bonus points for this problem now that reapers have destroyed most, if not the vast majority, of the known inter-stellar fuel infrastructure.

So, when you think about the in-universe problems of inter-stellar travel w/ no Mass Relays, I'd almost say I'm less worried about how long it will take, and more worried about "Will it work at ALL?"

That's also true. Guys who are saying that it takes 27 years to go through Milky way with 12x light speed are wrong. Dimensions are far more bigger. To think that that our neighbour galaxy , Andromeda, is approx 2,5 million light-years away and is 1,5 times bigger than our Milky way. There are billions of galaxies in the universe. It makes you feel pretty small.

Anyway the fact is that without mass relays aliens in Sol system can't go to their home worlds. Distances are just far too long. 

So when mr. Walters decided to destroy all the mass relays he pretty much throw the galaxy back to stone age, well maybe a little exaggarated but you get the point. Maybe aliens and humans in Sol system could build a new relay with the Prothean data on Mars, but the relay would still need it's counterpart somewhere in the galaxy. So unless we get an ending where mass relays aren't destroyed, Mass Effect series is gone. 

Modifié par Ahviro, 10 mars 2012 - 06:38 .

[Ahviro]

Luc0s wrote...

Ahviro wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Ahviro wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Ahviro wrote...

Even with FTL drives it would make thousands of years to get back to their home world. Saddest part is that the quarians who just got their home world Rannoch back can't get there mass relays being destroyed.

You're wrong actually. With FTL drives it would actually take only 27 years to go from one side of the galaxy to the other side of the galaxy.

Yes, it takes only 26 years of FTL travel to cross the entire Milky Way galaxy. It would indeed an undertaking of epic proportions to travel from Earth back to your home planet, but it's not impossible.

Ofc that depends on what is the actual speed those FTL drives can reach.  Milky way galaxy is approximately 
100,000 light-years in diameter. By a a quick division it means you'd have to go approx 3700 times faster than light to travel the entire Milky way galaxy in 27 years. Where did you come up with those numbers? 

Based on the codes, which says that with FTL drives you can travel roughly a dozen (12) lightyears over the course of a day (24 hours).

The galaxy is 120.000 light years in diameter (at most).

120.000 divided by 12 = 10.000

10.000 divided by 365 = 27,3

So, that makes 27,3 years to travel from one side of the galaxy to the other side with Mass Effect FTL.

You got the math wrong. 

PS. Light-year is a unit of distance, not time. Basic physics.

My math is perfectly right. Show me where it's wrong if you think it's wrong.


And yes, I know a lightyear is a distance. You don't need to tell me that. You simply don't understand my maths, which are correct.

Okay I said wrong. Your math is correct but your physics are wrong.

Light-year is unit of distance. It's only kilometers/year. One light-year is equal to   365,25 days · 86400 seconds (1 day in seconds) · c = 9 460 730 472 580 800  meters. Where c is light's speed (
299 792 458 m/s ). So in one year of light's speed you are travelling 
9 460 730 472 580 800 meters.

This has nothing to do with time. People might say that "It felt like a light-year" when they mean it felt like a lot of time. This is actually incorrect. 

"10.000 divided by 365 = 27,3 " 10, 000 light-years divided by 365 days. You have to transform years to days before you can divide it with days. So (10, 000 light-years x 365 days)/ 365 days. Type that to your calculator. 

[Computron2000]

Ahviro wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Ahviro wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Ahviro wrote...

Even with FTL drives it would make thousands of years to get back to their home world. Saddest part is that the quarians who just got their home world Rannoch back can't get there mass relays being destroyed.

You're wrong actually. With FTL drives it would actually take only 27 years to go from one side of the galaxy to the other side of the galaxy.

Yes, it takes only 26 years of FTL travel to cross the entire Milky Way galaxy. It would indeed an undertaking of epic proportions to travel from Earth back to your home planet, but it's not impossible.

Ofc that depends on what is the actual speed those FTL drives can reach.  Milky way galaxy is approximately 
100,000 light-years in diameter. By a a quick division it means you'd have to go approx 3700 times faster than light to travel the entire Milky way galaxy in 27 years. Where did you come up with those numbers? 

Based on the codes, which says that with FTL drives you can travel roughly a dozen (12) lightyears over the course of a day (24 hours).

The galaxy is 120.000 light years in diameter (at most).

120.000 divided by 12 = 10.000

10.000 divided by 365 = 27,3

So, that makes 27,3 years to travel from one side of the galaxy to the other side with Mass Effect FTL.

You got the math wrong. 

PS. Light-year is a unit of distance, not time. Basic physics.

Luc0s is right. Based on the codex of prior games http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/FTL , a ship can travel roughly 12 LY per 24 hours. However refueling is a problem, as the fuel that the drives use is a fuel that needs to be mined. This means there must be sufficient gas giants within distance during the journey http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Helium-3

The best method for returning back home would actually be to first explore all the nearby systems using FTL, finalise a away home that fufils the gas giant condition and build small mining stations and fuel depots at each site. These stations can be abandoned once the fleet arrives there and picks up the miners. It will take a few years but its doable. 

[Nathos]

I lol'd for the videos.

[Militarized]

The math doesn't matter... the ending is ****ing retarded.

It wasn't the relays being destroyed that bothered me... it was some dumb AI kid ruining, to me, what the Reapers represented and the entire struggle you had gone through to get to that point. Mass Effect is NOT the Matrix... yet the end makes it out to be.

[Ahviro]

Luc0s wrote...

Ahviro wrote...

Okay I said wrong. Your math is correct but your physics are wrong.

Light-year is unit of distance. It's only kilometers/year. One light-year is equal to   365,25 days · 86400 seconds (1 day in seconds) · c = 9 460 730 472 580 800  meters. Where c is light's speed (
299 792 458 m/s ). So in one year of light's speed you are travelling 
9 460 730 472 580 800 meters.

This has nothing to do with time. People might say that "It felt like a light-year" when they mean it felt like a lot of time. This is actually incorrect. 

"10.000 divided by 365 = 27,3 " 10, 000 light-years divided by 365 days. You have to transform years to days before you can divide it with days. So (10, 000 light-years x 365 days)/ 365 days. Type that to your calculator. 

LOL, epic fail... It seems YOU'RE the one who doen't understand the fact that lightyear is a distance unit, not a time unit.


Again, I know that "lightyear" is a distance unit, not a time unit. I never said it otherwise. In my math, I used lightyear as a distance unit, not a time unit.

I don't have to transform years to days before I can device it by days, because a lightyear is a distance unit, not a time unit. It's YOU who's screwing up the math and physics right here.



here, I'll explain it again, this time in layman's terms so even you understand it:


The Mass Effect codex says that a space-ship going FTL (= speed) travels roughly 12 lightyears (= distance) in 1 day (= time).

12 lightyears = distance
1 day = time

So the speed of FTL is 12 LY/day. When you travel FTL, you travel with the speed of 12 lightyears per day.


The galaxy's diameter is 120.000 lightyears in distance. To find out how long it takes for our space-ship to travel that distance, we have to divide the distance (120.000 LY) by the space-ship's speed (12 LY per day).

120.000 / 12 = 10.000

So it takes 10.000 days for the space-ship to travel the distance of equal to our galaxy's diameter.

10.000 / 365 = 27,3

So 10.000 days is 27,3 years. Which means it takes 27,3 years for our space-ship to travel the distance of our galaxy.

Ok let's believe your math is right.

Let me check.

So 10 000/365.25(=27,3 years) x 365,23 d x 86400 s x 299 792 458 m/s x 12 = 3,108 248 205 x 10^18 m

should be equal to our galaxy's length. Which is:

365,25 d x 86400 s x 299 792 458 m/s  x 120 000 = 1,135 287 657 x 10^21 m

Something is wrong. Or we're in different galaxies.

[Computron2000]

Ahviro wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Ahviro wrote...

Okay I said wrong. Your math is correct but your physics are wrong.

Light-year is unit of distance. It's only kilometers/year. One light-year is equal to   365,25 days · 86400 seconds (1 day in seconds) · c = 9 460 730 472 580 800  meters. Where c is light's speed (
299 792 458 m/s ). So in one year of light's speed you are travelling 
9 460 730 472 580 800 meters.

This has nothing to do with time. People might say that "It felt like a light-year" when they mean it felt like a lot of time. This is actually incorrect. 

"10.000 divided by 365 = 27,3 " 10, 000 light-years divided by 365 days. You have to transform years to days before you can divide it with days. So (10, 000 light-years x 365 days)/ 365 days. Type that to your calculator. 

LOL, epic fail... It seems YOU'RE the one who doen't understand the fact that lightyear is a distance unit, not a time unit.


Again, I know that "lightyear" is a distance unit, not a time unit. I never said it otherwise. In my math, I used lightyear as a distance unit, not a time unit.

I don't have to transform years to days before I can device it by days, because a lightyear is a distance unit, not a time unit. It's YOU who's screwing up the math and physics right here.



here, I'll explain it again, this time in layman's terms so even you understand it:


The Mass Effect codex says that a space-ship going FTL (= speed) travels roughly 12 lightyears (= distance) in 1 day (= time).

12 lightyears = distance
1 day = time

So the speed of FTL is 12 LY/day. When you travel FTL, you travel with the speed of 12 lightyears per day.


The galaxy's diameter is 120.000 lightyears in distance. To find out how long it takes for our space-ship to travel that distance, we have to divide the distance (120.000 LY) by the space-ship's speed (12 LY per day).

120.000 / 12 = 10.000

So it takes 10.000 days for the space-ship to travel the distance of equal to our galaxy's diameter.

10.000 / 365 = 27,3

So 10.000 days is 27,3 years. Which means it takes 27,3 years for our space-ship to travel the distance of our galaxy.

Ok let's believe your math is right.

Let me check.

So 10 000/365.25(=27,3 years) x 365,23 d x 86400 s x 299 792 458 m/s x 12 = 3,108 248 205 x 10^18 m

should be equal to our galaxy's length. Which is:

365,25 d x 86400 s x 299 792 458 m/s  x 120 000 = 1,135 287 657 x 10^21 m

Something is wrong. Or we're in different galaxies.

No you're confusing the day with the year.
Instead of 10 000/365.25(=27,3 years) x 365,23 d x 86400 s x 299 792 458 m/s x 12 = 3,108 248 205 x 10^18 m122
It should be 10000 x 365,25 d x 86400 s x 299 792 458 m/s x 12

It travels 12 LY in 1 day, not in 1 year. Because you divided by 365.25, the equation became 12 LY per year