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[DarkSpider88]

So I beat the game last night and like many of you I was immediately filled with rage and took to the forums. I lashed out at Bioware for throwing in AI God Child, no epic last boss battle, and lastly all really horrible endings (even the one where Shepard lives).

Reflecting a little bit more I have finally pinpointed my exact disappointment, no matter what in the end of ME3 Shepard can't claim any real victory. The sad thing is I could even live with my Shepard sacrificing himself for the sake of thr galaxy, you know going down the true blue hero.

However in all the endings the Mass Relays are destroyed thus collapsing the rich univese we have grown to love over the pass 5 years. With the Mass Relays destroyed none of our allies can get back home.

This means Wrex will never make it back to Tuchanka and finally get to lead his people and see his kid, and without him leading the Krogan they will probably end up destroying themselves anyway.

This means the Quarians who finally got their homeworld back will never actually get to live there. One of the things I looked forward to after ME2 was winning Tali back her homeworld, but what is the point if she never actually gets to live there? (You can insert Geth/Quarian peace here if you were able to achieve that).

The Asari don't get to rebuild Thessia. Am I only the one who wanted to see their homeworld in all its' splendor?

Lastly for this point frm the ending we can assume all ships were destroyed by the crucible. So the allies you built up over the course of the game are dead. For this I am consoling myself saying all my former ME2 squadmates were on Earth, I don't know if I could handle their deaths too.

So in the end we have a destroyed Earth populated with human, turian, asari, krogan, and maybe even some quarians. There is no way that is going to end well.


Now lets turn our attention to the Normandy. No matter what your decision your squadmates and crew get the shaft. Lets ignore Joker oddly fleeing the battle (how would he know to fly away. No one knew the crucible would destroy all ships), lets ignore your two squadmates making it back to the Normandy (Could they survived yeah, but they wouldn't be in any condition to make it back to the Normandy).

No matter what your team is stranded on an uninhabitated planet and will die there. No spaceship means no going home. Tali never gets to live on her homeworld, Garrus never gets to see if his family survived Palavan, Vega... wait I don't care about Vega, Ashley never gets to see if her mother and other sisters survived, and Liara (my Shepard's LI) will never get to see him again and live out their happy ending.

Even if Shepard lives (which I am guessing he does by making it back to the beam) all of his squad are stuck in a remote distant planet with him on Earth. His best case scenario is that Miranda was on the planet during the fight (sorry Liara:(). Is it a victory for Shepard saving the galaxy from the Reapers, living, but dooming everybody stuck with you and your squadmates on the distant planet?

So in the end no matter what Shepard chooses the galaxy and her squadmates are screwed. There is no victory for Shepard no matter what ending you pick. Even the ending with the man and kid in the future, they are stuck on the same planet with no space travel.

For me what truly bothers me about ME3 is Shepard cannot win no matter what decision he comes to. I really hope that people's idea about hallucination are true and we get some DLC or ME4 with Shepard continuing the battle because this shouldn't stand.

Thoughts?

[Dean_the_Young]

DarkSpider88 wrote...

However in all the endings the Mass Relays are destroyed thus collapsing the rich univese we have grown to love over the pass 5 years. With the Mass Relays destroyed none of our allies can get back home.

Yes they can. FTL exists, it's simply slower.

Lastly for this point frm the ending we can assume all ships were destroyed by the crucible.

No, we can't. The Normandy crashes, but the crucible doesn't destroy all ships. Certainly not in the Control or Synthesis ending, where ships are explicitly shown to still be working..

Is it a victory for Shepard saving the galaxy from the Reapers, living, but dooming everybody stuck with you and your squadmates on the distant planet?

Yes.

That didn't happen, but it still would be.

Thoughts?

You have some critical flaws in your dismay.

[IronHam]

It's sort of apparent what direction the endings mean for the Mass Effect franchise in general. If they didn't want to continue the story, they could have gone off wildly with each ending making them extremely different from the other. But since in every ending, even though you make galaxy shattering decisions and each of them is different, the one common theme is the destruction of the mass relays. This makes me think they're just paving the way for a new trilogy that is more about exploring the new galaxy after the reapers' defeat and witnessing the repercussions of Shepard's actions throughout the first trilogy. (Cured the genophage? Perhaps the krogan are the top player in galactic politics now, etc.) Anyway, don't despair, they're not killing off this franchise anytime soon.

[DarkSpider88]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

DarkSpider88 wrote...

However in all the endings the Mass Relays are destroyed thus collapsing the rich univese we have grown to love over the pass 5 years. With the Mass Relays destroyed none of our allies can get back home.

Yes they can. FTL exists, it's simply slower.

Lastly for this point frm the ending we can assume all ships were destroyed by the crucible.

No, we can't. The Normandy crashes, but the crucible doesn't destroy all ships. Certainly not in the Control or Synthesis ending, where ships are explicitly shown to still be working..

Is it a victory for Shepard saving the galaxy from the Reapers, living, but dooming everybody stuck with you and your squadmates on the distant planet?

Yes.

That didn't happen, but it still would be.

Thoughts?

You have some critical flaws in your dismay.

There is no way any species can make it back to their home planet on FTL drives. That would take incredibly too long.

[DarkSpider88]

IronHam wrote...

It's sort of apparent what direction the endings mean for the Mass Effect franchise in general. If they didn't want to continue the story, they could have gone off wildly with each ending making them extremely different from the other. But since in every ending, even though you make galaxy shattering decisions and each of them is different, the one common theme is the destruction of the mass relays. This makes me think they're just paving the way for a new trilogy that is more about exploring the new galaxy after the reapers' defeat and witnessing the repercussions of Shepard's actions throughout the first trilogy. (Cured the genophage? Perhaps the krogan are the top player in galactic politics now, etc.) Anyway, don't despair, they're not killing off this franchise anytime soon.

The problem is I don't think I want to be part of the franchise if they are going to change it so drastically.

[mysticforce42]

All along we've known winning against the Reapers is a longshot. In a matter of weeks since the Reapers first shown up we've lost every major engagement and lost the homeworlds of all but the Salarians. It took the firepower of the entire Quarian fleet just to take down a Reaper Destroyer - something less than 1/10th the size of Sovereign. We are out matched and about to fall into the long decline before being completely wiped out.

If a single race can put enough of themselves into stasis to last until the Reapers leave, it is victory. We managed quite a bit better than that. Yes, it is likely that few aliens alive (aside from the Asari and Krogan) are likely to see their homeworlds again in their lifetime... but we have survived. The Mass Relay network can be rebuilt - the Protheans managed it to build two (one on Ilos and another inside the Citadel) and so shall we. It may take 50, 100, or 5000 years, but Galactic Civilization will rise again.

The whole point of Shepard's journey is to break the Cycle, and we have done it. We've even managed to do it with a significant percentage of sapient races still alive. That is a victory beyond anything we could have hoped for.

When you are up against the Reapers, who managed to continue the Cycle over hundreds of millions of years, survival is victory.

Modifié par mysticforce42, 10 mars 2012 - 02:54 .

[deathscythe517]

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I'm sorry but that's a gross overstatement, let's be bluntly honest here, the quarian fleet is mostly jury rigged and anything but intimidating to most armies. This is why they were doing so bad against the geth until Shep and co show up and deal with the Reaper. In a supporting role, I can see them being useful, but in a head-on fight? They're almost completely worthless unless it's pirates...

[mysticforce42]

deathscythe517 wrote...

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I'm sorry but that's a gross overstatement, let's be bluntly honest here, the quarian fleet is mostly jury rigged and anything but intimidating to most armies. This is why they were doing so bad against the geth until Shep and co show up and deal with the Reaper. In a supporting role, I can see them being useful, but in a head-on fight? They're almost completely worthless unless it's pirates...

The whole point of Quarians strapping cannons to their liveships is to give them offensive power.  They were doing horribly against the Geth because 1) the Geth had reaper upgrades and 2) strapping cannons to civilian ships does not provide the commanders and crew of those ships with battle experience and doesn't add any defenses.  It's mentioned in game quite a few times that the Quarian liveships have been upgraded to have as much firepower as dreadnaughts.

The role of the Quarian fleet vs the Reaper destroyer is the best possible engagement senario for the Quarians.  All the Quarians had to do is tie their targetting VI to Shepard's laser guidance system and push the fire button over and over again.

Modifié par mysticforce42, 10 mars 2012 - 03:02 .

[Dean_the_Young]

DarkSpider88 wrote...

There is no way any species can make it back to their home planet on FTL drives. That would take incredibly too long.

Unless you read the lore or something and realize we're talking years/decades from one end of the galaxy to another, not centuries. And that the Quarians proved you could do that for hundreds of years.

But hey, who does that?

[General User]

Aye. Good point!

The quarians have been living in space for centuries. For them making a multiyear or even multidecade trip wouldn't be that much of a change from how they normally live, would it? I'm sure they could be convinced to share their expertise with the other allies now "stranded" in the Solar System.

[Dean_the_Young]

General User wrote...

Aye. Good point!

The quarians have been living in space for centuries. For them making a multiyear or even multidecade trip wouldn't be that much of a change from how they normally live, would it? I'm sure they could be convinced to share their expertise with the other allies now "stranded" in the Solar System.

Since they left the civilian population on the Homeworld, most of those Migrant Fleet ships could probably carry the other species back to their home worlds, if desired. Replace the Quarians with the Geth if you sided with the others.

Add in sleeper/stasis pods, fabrication technologies, and plenty of ruins and Reapers to scavenge from, and it would be immense, not impossible.