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[Dionkey]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

4. Do you actually think they care? They scrapped Karpyshyn's script, for Christ's sake, you think they care about the ending?

Where's this script?

http://www.ign.com/b...lers.250066288/

[Olueq]

4

[Il Divo]

Dionkey wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

4. Do you actually think they care? They scrapped Karpyshyn's script, for Christ's sake, you think they care about the ending?

Where's this script?

http://www.ign.com/b...lers.250066288/

I honestly would have been fine with this. It builds off of narrative in the previous games, maintains the Reapers as the main threat (even if not quite as villains), and has the capability to maintain the hard decisions.

[Luckywallace]

I would like to hope they are at least very nervous - ME3 will doubtless sell reasonably because so many fans bought it in day of release on faith and reviews have all been very good.

However, the backlash could seriously impact on sales of future products, the fanbase will be extremely hesitant about trusting Bioware again, especially given that Dragon Age 2 was a disapointment for most.

Personally I am going to give bioware games a very careful inspection, await fan feedback (not just professional reviews) and such in the future and I suspect there will be a lot like me if not taking more extremes. So... probably not 100% happy.

[slimgrin]

It's not like Bioware had gold to work with in the first place. The overall plot ideas in Mass Effect are quite genreic, and the more they focus on them - out of necessity - the more that quality is revealed. For me the series has always been about three things: characters, combat, and atmosphere. Not story, at least not plot driven stuff.

[ladyvader]

I read from either one of the writers one or one of the devs that they knew people would be unhappy about the ending and they did it anyway. I say that shows balls on BioWare's part knowing they were going to make people mad.

I'm not mad about the ending. Just very sad.

[Legendaryred]

Easiest solution to the dark energy is simple, move to another galaxy luls.

[chengthao]

4 . . . all the way, i don't think they care at all about their product, b/c if they did, they would've made it . . . . . . . . you know . . . . . . . good

Modifié par chengthao, 10 mars 2012 - 11:48 .

[PaulSX]

the endings are fine but not perfect. I think all they want is to put Synthetic vs Organic stuff to an end so they can move to other themes. So I guess 4.

[AlanC9]

slimgrin wrote...

It's not like Bioware had gold to work with in the first place. The overall plot ideas in Mass Effect are quite genreic, and the more they focus on them - out of necessity - the more that quality is revealed. For me the series has always been about three things: characters, combat, and atmosphere. Not story, at least not plot driven stuff.

I find myself reminded of the Star Trek reboot film. A fun ride as long as you don't think too hard about what's going on.

[MonkeyLungs]

moneycashgeorge wrote...

Either they are feeling....

1. Dissapointed that the fans weren't satisfied with their vision for the end of the series

2. Regretful that they didn't have the time/resources/control to make the ending that they actually wanted

3. Angry at the fans for not appreciating their artistic vision. Angry because we don't have the right to reject their writing or demand a change.

4. Happy that they are getting a nice big pay-check and great reviews from critics. Fan reaction doesn't really matter.

Which do you think?

I honestly got this uncomfortable feeling that Bioware has a seething hatred for the Mass Effect series and it's fans from the ending. Hopelessness, despair, decay, dismemberment, death, destruction, fear, loathing, pain, anguish, loss, no redemption, and hatred mainly hatred.

I might feel differently in a couple of days but right now, fresh from the wounds, that is how I feel.

[Askio]

Gterror wrote...

4.Only the last 5 minutes are sucky, everything else is great.

This. Hell, 99.9% of the trilogy was great. But sadly, the ending the is the final note in the series. If you drop the ball at the end, that is how the story will be remembered. I loved ME3, writing included, right until that ending came out of nowhere from left field and blind sided.

On another note well done making an awesome series Bioware. Just hope you listen to fans and realize that what was in your heads obviously didn't end up being presented in the right way. But then again, how many things sound awesome in your head and end up badly? I think all of us can attest to that. In this case, thousands upon thousands just happen to see it.

[MerchantGOL]

4

They wrote an amazing story. even if people **** about the end this dosen't change

[ognick23]

wile im sure they arent happy about the ending reactions, i think that since the majority of the game is loved by alot of people they dont feel too bad

[ognick23]

Il Divo wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

4. Do you actually think they care? They scrapped Karpyshyn's script, for Christ's sake, you think they care about the ending?

Where's this script?

http://www.ign.com/b...lers.250066288/

I honestly would have been fine with this. It builds off of narrative in the previous games, maintains the Reapers as the main threat (even if not quite as villains), and has the capability to maintain the hard decisions.

i think that old Reaper plot wouldve sucked big time, on paper it sounds corny so i cant imagine how bad it wouldve been in the game

[Nozybidaj]

moneycashgeorge wrote...
Which do you think?

4. Happy that they are getting a nice big pay-check and great reviews from critics. Fan reaction doesn't really matter.

[Shifty Assassin]

It's either 1/2 or 4 most likely 2 though.

[VarrenSoldier]

Maybe some of them are 4 or 3, maybe some of them are 1 or 2 hopefully.

[andromeda05]

Icemix wrote...

BioJaegar wrote...

I think people on this forum need to get ahold of their **** and stop complaining. Mass effect is a great series- bad ending or not. I enjoyed the ride. Im glad the writers provided everything in between for me to enjoy. Whatever happens to my Shepard, whether it be the same for every other Shepard, I'll be happy with the choices I made and the adventure I had. Thank you, Bioware. There's at least one happy fan here.

Well too ****ing bad since the ending disregards any choice you have ever made.

Agreeded

[AlanC9]

I'm betting 3. Except not so much hatred... more like amused contempt.

[Schneidend]

moneycashgeorge wrote...

Either they are feeling....

1. Dissapointed that the fans weren't satisfied with their vision for the end of the series

2. Regretful that they didn't have the time/resources/control to make the ending that they actually wanted

3. Angry at the fans for not appreciating their artistic vision. Angry because we don't have the right to reject their writing or demand a change.

4. Happy that they are getting a nice big pay-check and great reviews from critics. Fan reaction doesn't really matter.

Which do you think?

1. "The fans"? As a longtime Bioware fan, I really enjoyed the endings. They weren't what I expected, but ending "Green" tied up the transhumanism and the relation between organics and synthetics quite nicely. I'm afraid the assertion that because a vocal minority on these (and other) forums disapproves means that Bioware somehow failed is patently ridiculous.

2. They delayed the game several months as it was. They had the time and the resources to put together one hell of a game. You didn't like it. Believe it or not, that's okay. World keeps on turning. The world of fiction would be boring if it wasn't contentiously divided. The mistake is to try to take control over that which you cannot control. Didn't you learn anything from the Illusive Man's folly?

3. I imagine if they're angry at anything, it's at the outright rudeness, slander, and vitriol they have to experience from the endings' detractors. Everyday Bioware's staff has had to endure the constant assaults of a hateful and ungrateful community that uses the anonymity of the Internet to allow them to behave like rabid animals. Imagine if you completed a homework assignment, essay, work report, renovation, or some other project that required a personal investment of your time and energy, and your teacher/boss/client threw it in your face and wished somebody would shoot you, called you worthless, and accused you not only of apathy toward their wellbeing and opinion, but maliciously stealing their money as well. Bioware, more so than other developers whose forums I've frequented, experiences this EVERY time they release a new game.

4. This is perhaps the most loaded and downright slanderous of your back-handed attempt to create a "discussion." Of COURSE the fans' opinions matter. Those fans who offer constructive criticisms and ideas, at least. Mass Effect 3 is easily the most fan-informed game I've ever played. If I had the time, I would do a new playthrough just to count every single instance of fan service, inside joking, self-reference, and ideas translated virtually verbatim from these very forums. For you to insist that the Mass Effect team doesn't care is probably very insulting to many of the staff. Maybe not Chris Priestly, who is downright made of armor and nails to deal with this community on a daily basis, but what about Christina Norman, Patrick Weekes, Preston Watamaniuk or any of the other rad people on the ME team?

Do you think it's Christina's JOB to personally talk to mechanically curious players and let them know exactly how much damage each of ME2's guns deals per shot/pellet, the exact multiplier every weapon and power has against different defense types, etc.? No. She cheerfully told us all these things after the game had shipped simply because we asked. She might do the same for ME3, but I wouldn't blame her if she didn't after seeing some of these sorts of threads.

How about Patrick Weekes? Do you think he gets paid to tell us about his wife's Vanguard antics in the multiplayer beta? Do you think he's the sort of person who "doesn't care" when he galvanizes the "Team Vanguard" movement through his interaction with the fans via his independent blog posts? Don't answer those questions. They're rhetorical. Look it up. Judging by the topic question, you're familiar with the concept in a snide, weaselly sense, at least.

Quite a rant, but I think it had to be put out there.