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[soteria]

So, my dwarf noble finally returned to Orzammar.  At first, I thought it was pretty cool seeing how people reacted to me.  They call you "exile" instead of "Warden" and some people seem to recognize you as a lord.  By the time I got to the point of choosing Bhelen or Harrowmont, though, I was pretty let down. 

All of the differences are highly superficial, first.  Some people greet you with hostility initially, and then end up giving you the exact same dialogue anyone else would get.  Others treat you precisely the same as they would a surfacer, when they should know you fairly well (such as the deshyr in the tavern).  Also, the dialogue options when people insult you felt really weak.  I'm accused of being a murderer and a liar to my face, and my options are  "I'm innocent!" and changing the subject?  I was second-in-line to the throne, and I'm just going to take that?  Where's the "I'll rip your tongue out and slap you to death with it" option?

Then, when I got to the Diamond Quarter, it was just like being a surfacer, again.  I still have to do the run around to talk to anyone.  Given your origin, I would expect to be able to circumvent some of that with a high persuasion score if nothing else.  "Take me to Harrowmont, or I'll make sure he never sits on the throne," or something.  I can think of a lot of good reasons for them to trust you enough for meeting you in person, not least of which is murdering one of them in their homes would be pretty suicidal.  Or, if that's something I could pull off and survive, do they really want to cross me?  For that matter, why can't I say, "(Intimidate) I'm going to see Bhelen.  Try and stop me."  If they want to restrict you from actually killing him for plot reasons, fine, but you should still be able to see them.

Anyone else find their return to Orzammar a bit of a let-down?

[soteria]

Guess it was just me.

[Blessed Silence]

Haven't gotten that far yet

[DonQuixote07]

I was thinking about playing a Dwarf Noble, but now I'm not so sure



Have you actually talked to Bhelen or Harrowmont yet? Do they react differently because of your history together? How about Gorim, how's the reunion with him? That's one character that I really wish I could have had in my party the whole game, total badass.

[The Angry One]

Gorim's been domesticated.
Ah how the Lady Aeducan misses the stalwart guardian who'd keep the peasants away, one way or another.

[elemental150]

I played a dwarf commoner and it was sweet, had some respect for a change....can't say anything for the dwarf noble though never played it past the origin story

[ComTrav]

There's a fair amount. Bhelen/Harrowmont have special dialogue. Bhelen's men are all much more distrustful of you then any other origin, at least initially. And the reunion with Gorim is a nice moment. You even have a special sidequest if you chose to sleep with the noble hunters in the origin story (which ended up bugged in my journal). There's a significant amount, but it's uneven; the barmaid at tapsters refuses to serve you, but many of the deshyrs don't recognize you. You get special dialogue options from time to time ("I was innocent!" "New recruits to the Legion of the Dead always say that."). Your interactions play out with more flavor, but you do do the Provings(Thaig)/Carta/Deep Roads plot either way.



There was a lot more for this then there was for my Mage returning to the Circle tower.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Yeah I've got my Dwarf Noble in Orzammar and whilst I agree it is a tiny bit disappointing am not too fussed. Don't forget that I think your return is a fair bit after you left, so that might be why some might not really have heard of you or refuse to talk to you in anyway other than any other surface casteless. I'm actually having my Dwarf Noble side with Bhelen on grounds of "blood being thicker than water" despite having already spoken to Gorim and got the letter from Endrin. I am basing his opinion on the fact he knows that Bhelen is pro-surface whilst Harrowmont will keep us in the old ways and having been on the surface a bit, my Dwarf Noble has kinda got used to it (much the way Oghren does albeit with not so much drunkeness lol) and so would like to see some of Bhelen's plans come to fruition even if he does still see him as a ruthless backstabber (age old adage of "keep friends close, enemies closer ). Not sure yet what I'll have him do when it comes to the Anvil, possibly side with Caradin due to him being displeased with what Branka allowed her house members to endure in the dead trenches and seeing the use of golems as a thing of the past that should remain in the past.

[Duck and Cover]

yeah I'm disappointed. I played the origin up to Ostagar, and I thought it'd be really fun when I return to Orz. Oh well.



I guess you can't expect them to put the amount of dialogue it would take to really make each origin truelly unique. Although I'd like to see it. I just don't think it would be cost effective on their end.

[Poubo]

dwarven noble has been really dissapointing for me, i mean hell, oghren doesnt even recognise me as a dwarf in some quests! like in the fade, he refered to me as "your kind" "IM A DWARF TOO YOU IDIOT!"



but anyway. yes, dissapointing. i even tried to stop orzammar from crumbling under harrowmounts rule... couldnt do it though... no option to help out. i guess i just had higher expectations for the dwarven story...

[Drake Sigar]

soteria wrote...

So, my dwarf noble finally returned to Orzammar.  At first, I thought it was pretty cool seeing how people reacted to me.  They call you "exile" instead of "Warden" and some people seem to recognize you as a lord.  By the time I got to the point of choosing Bhelen or Harrowmont, though, I was pretty let down. 

All of the differences are highly superficial, first.  Some people greet you with hostility initially, and then end up giving you the exact same dialogue anyone else would get.  Others treat you precisely the same as they would a surfacer, when they should know you fairly well (such as the deshyr in the tavern).  Also, the dialogue options when people insult you felt really weak.  I'm accused of being a murderer and a liar to my face, and my options are  "I'm innocent!" and changing the subject?  I was second-in-line to the throne, and I'm just going to take that?  Where's the "I'll rip your tongue out and slap you to death with it" option?

I think you're supposed to feel some remorse for either killing your kin or getting caught killing your kin. And remember, you're casteless. Worse than casteless, an exile. If you respected Dwarven laws and believed in the ancestors then you'd know your place and take it like a lil ****.

Till you reclaim your title that is. Then they'll all pay.

Poubo wrote...

dwarven noble has been really dissapointing for me, i mean hell, oghren doesnt even recognise me as a dwarf in some quests! like in the fade, he refered to me as "your kind" "IM A DWARF TOO YOU IDIOT!"

I thought he was refferring to my noble heritage.

Modifié par Drake Sigar, 27 novembre 2009 - 02:47 .

[Poubo]

Drake Sigar wrote...

soteria wrote...

So, my dwarf noble finally returned to Orzammar.  At first, I thought it was pretty cool seeing how people reacted to me.  They call you "exile" instead of "Warden" and some people seem to recognize you as a lord.  By the time I got to the point of choosing Bhelen or Harrowmont, though, I was pretty let down. 

All of the differences are highly superficial, first.  Some people greet you with hostility initially, and then end up giving you the exact same dialogue anyone else would get.  Others treat you precisely the same as they would a surfacer, when they should know you fairly well (such as the deshyr in the tavern).  Also, the dialogue options when people insult you felt really weak.  I'm accused of being a murderer and a liar to my face, and my options are  "I'm innocent!" and changing the subject?  I was second-in-line to the throne, and I'm just going to take that?  Where's the "I'll rip your tongue out and slap you to death with it" option?

I think you're supposed to feel some remorse for either killing your kin or getting caught killing your kin. And remember, you're casteless. Worse than casteless, an exile. If you respected Dwarven laws and believed in the ancestors then you'd know your place and take it like a lil ****.

Till you reclaim your title that is. Then they'll all pay.

Poubo wrote...

dwarven noble has been really dissapointing for me, i mean hell, oghren doesnt even recognise me as a dwarf in some quests! like in the fade, he refered to me as "your kind" "IM A DWARF TOO YOU IDIOT!"

I thought he was refferring to my noble heritage.

my dwarf didnt kill trian, i got framed... and still can't prove my innocence, or present my letter from my father to harrowmount or get my name re-instated (until after the game). 

i really want to do some DLC for the dwarven noble origin after the "end" of the game. 

oh and Dwarves don't enter the fade, so when Oghren says it's unnatural for him because he's a dwarf and refers to me as a human... just... well... just very annoying.

[Allattar1]

Well on the whole dwarves cant enter the fade thing.



I managed to persuade the first enchanter to let that dwarven girl into the Circle and train as a mage.



The ending I had told me that she started a new circle in Orzammar, deeply implying that dwarves could do magic, but for some reason up till then had never been able to/ tried.

[slackbheep]

I'd like to see some expansion on how intregrated your origin story is with the main story. I've not played as a dwarf but as a mage returning to the tower, and a human noble interacting with the other houses there was very little changed dialogue. I would have liked to see certain parts of the story play out differently based on WHO you were. Hell as a human noble your entirely family is wiped out, and you were supposedly well liked by the other houses, yet when you speak with other nobles their interactions are about as deep as "Oh man, you're Bryce and Elanors youngest aren't you? WHAZZZZZUUUUUUUUUUUP!?"

Edit: Please note that I do not consider this laziness on Biowares part, Dragon Age obviously cost a hojillion dollars and millions of man hours to make.

Modifié par slackbheep, 27 novembre 2009 - 04:10 .

[soteria]

Drake Sigar wrote...

soteria wrote...

So, my dwarf noble finally returned to Orzammar.  At first, I thought it was pretty cool seeing how people reacted to me.  They call you "exile" instead of "Warden" and some people seem to recognize you as a lord.  By the time I got to the point of choosing Bhelen or Harrowmont, though, I was pretty let down. 

All of the differences are highly superficial, first.  Some people greet you with hostility initially, and then end up giving you the exact same dialogue anyone else would get.  Others treat you precisely the same as they would a surfacer, when they should know you fairly well (such as the deshyr in the tavern).  Also, the dialogue options when people insult you felt really weak.  I'm accused of being a murderer and a liar to my face, and my options are  "I'm innocent!" and changing the subject?  I was second-in-line to the throne, and I'm just going to take that?  Where's the "I'll rip your tongue out and slap you to death with it" option?

I think you're supposed to feel some remorse for either killing your kin or getting caught killing your kin. And remember, you're casteless. Worse than casteless, an exile. If you respected Dwarven laws and believed in the ancestors then you'd know your place and take it like a lil ****.

Till you reclaim your title that is. Then they'll all pay.

Poubo wrote...

dwarven noble has been really dissapointing for me, i mean hell, oghren doesnt even recognise me as a dwarf in some quests! like in the fade, he refered to me as "your kind" "IM A DWARF TOO YOU IDIOT!"

I thought he was refferring to my noble heritage.

I was framed.  The best dialogue option I ever get is "But I'm innocent!" which just sounds incredibly weak.  The problem is, you don't really get the option to reclaim your title.  In character, I would totally tell Bhelen/Harrowmont "I'll only help you if my name is cleared.  Otherwise, I'll make sure the other guy is king."  I would expect that to be a tough persuade/intimidate check, but it should be possible.  You don't even get to try.

[Rivie]

More integration of Origins into Main story is always great by me. Heck, just having an expansion of some kind that sneakily inserts lots more little origin specific content would be beyond wonderful for me.

I realize that they want to focus more on you-as-gray-warden after Ostagar and less on you-as-origin but the origins... are a huge part of the game. I want my elf to get looked down on, I want my human noble to get recognized and occasionally treated better/worse for it, I want my mage to get treated with suspicion. I also want a pony. Or a huge warcat.

[Dark83]

Allattar1 wrote...

Well on the whole dwarves cant enter the fade thing.

I managed to persuade the first enchanter to let that dwarven girl into the Circle and train as a mage.

The ending I had told me that she started a new circle in Orzammar, deeply implying that dwarves could do magic, but for some reason up till then had never been able to/ tried.

That's not what it says?
It says she writes a paper about lyrium vapors, which gets mages interested and mages from other parts of Thedas set up a circle in Orzammar. Not that the dwarves suddenly can do magic.

[Vansen Elamber]

The thing I have noticed so far about the dwarf noble origin is the fact that you don't have the rings, the dragon plate (which is useless because of the strength restriction early in the game anyway) or any of the other items you recieve if you have the digital deluxe edition. I am assuming these will all show up at some point but I could really use those rings now....

As soon as you are shown into the deep road for your exile you quickly realize they took everything you had collected and I had a ton of armor I found in that ruined thaig would have been sweet to have that to sell off.

Modifié par Vansen Elamber, 27 novembre 2009 - 05:17 .

[cooldevo]

Vansen Elamber wrote...

The thing I have noticed so far about the dwarf noble origin is the fact that you don't have the rings, the dragon plate (which is useless because of the strength restriction early in the game anyway) or any of the other items you recieve if you have the digital deluxe edition. I am assuming these will all show up at some point but I could really use those rings now....

As soon as you are shown into the deep road for your exile you quickly realize they took everything you had collected and I had a ton of armor I found in that ruined thaig would have been sweet to have that to sell off.

What you have on you is lost when you go to jail.  However, it should only be the common items, not your special edition stuff.  There is a fix for the loot you are supposed to be able to keep (such as rings/dragon armor/belt).  It's in another thread somewhere, I think I heard search is working, but haven't tried it yet.  You have to get into the deep roads and have all your stuff gone.  Save and exit to main menu.  Disable all your addons from the main menu (the ones with the items you lost) load your game, and tell it to force load when it pops up an error.  Save and quit back to main menu.  Re-enable all the add-ons you disabled and reload your game.  They should be back.  At least they were for me.  Bioware posted this as a workaround until they fix that bug.

Modifié par cooldevo, 27 novembre 2009 - 05:28 .

[Xquel]

You can get the items back, by unloaded them, force load your dwarf noble game, save, enable the dlc items again. load game, resave. viola, you have your items again

[Vansen Elamber]

cooldevo wrote...

Vansen Elamber wrote...

The thing I have noticed so far about the dwarf noble origin is the fact that you don't have the rings, the dragon plate (which is useless because of the strength restriction early in the game anyway) or any of the other items you recieve if you have the digital deluxe edition. I am assuming these will all show up at some point but I could really use those rings now....

As soon as you are shown into the deep road for your exile you quickly realize they took everything you had collected and I had a ton of armor I found in that ruined thaig would have been sweet to have that to sell off.

What you have on you is lost when you go to jail.  However, it should only be the common items, not your special edition stuff.  There is a fix for the loot you are supposed to be able to keep (such as rings/dragon armor/belt).  It's in another thread somewhere, I think I heard search is working, but haven't tried it yet.  You have to get into the deep roads and have all your stuff gone.  Save and exit to main menu.  Disable all your addons from the main menu (the ones with the items you lost) load your game, and tell it to force load when it pops up an error.  Save and quit back to main menu.  Re-enable all the add-ons you disabled and reload your game.  They should be back.  At least they were for me.  Bioware posted this as a workaround until they fix that bug.

Dang it! I may have to abandon that character then as I am now in Lothering....

[Vansen Elamber]

Xquel wrote...

You can get the items back, by unloaded them, force load your dwarf noble game, save, enable the dlc items again. load game, resave. viola, you have your items again

Sweet! Thanks I got everything back that I should have now and still in lothering...this fix works on any save game for that character

[cooldevo]

Dang it! I may have to abandon that character then as I am now in Lothering....

Sorry, I didn't mean you HAVE to be in Deep Roads, it just has to be anywhere after your arrest.  I.e. you have to have lost your stuff already.

Apologies on the confusion.

[Nightfish103]

Yea, I was pretty underwhelmed when I didn't get the option to declare myself King of Orzammar. Seriously, I had the freaking crown made by cairidin, nobody else was left alive to dispute my claim. I didn't even kill Trian in the prologue, so there was no reason for me not to step up. Even Dad wanted me to be King before he died. If Harrowmont was half the Dwarf he should be, he'd have seen made it happen. Damn you, Harrowmont. Damn you!



(at least I got to kill that son of a **** bhelen)

[Dark83]

I liked Bhelen, he reminds me of a lesser Patrician, Lord Havelock Vetinari.