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[Aerundel]

Maybe there's a delay or something between the time when Zev goes down and when the cutscene begins? I mean I was probably only 1 mob away from clearing the area, so I was surprised when they wouldn't let me finish the last archer off.

I mean if somebody's having trouble with an encounter and isn't willing or able to lower difficulty, the first thing they should try is beating down the leader. That's good advice for any game, really

Modifié par Aerundel, 27 novembre 2009 - 05:39 .

[DaeFaron]

I think it started when I went to loot his body, and afterwards I looted the rest of the corpses.

[Codemanjap]

cdelaney wrote...

Thanks for all the replies. Didn't expect this many so quickly . I guess my primary frustration is that there is no way to avoid this battle without reloading a saved game for > an hour ago hoping that it won't happen again if I choose a different quest line.... and I'm not willing to do that especially when I don't know it will resolve the problem.

After talking to the woman that runs up to you for help, you should have some sort of option to avoid the battle IMO. You can't retreat... it just says "you have no reason" to even though the path is clear.

I guess I'll try a couple more times but I'm not having much luck.... a few good suggestions on here.... But the suggestions to change tactics and pause game to issue commands are not helpful. Been there done that about a dozen times and so far I'm still getting slaughtered. They just keep overwhelming me in sheer numbers. I'll try a few more times with some more variations of the suggestions above, but there's a point where it just gets too frustrating.

Why dont you just put the difficulty down to easy.....I encountered this same problem but it wasnt this fight. Fought nearly 10 times and finally moved the difficulty down to easy and was able to move on.

[Elanareon]

Sorry but im just laughing at those people who finds the wolf encounter hard... Hehe what's so hard about it?



To the op your prob is you have no tank... Since you have wynne i suggest winter graps/stone fist the mage first. Then try bringing Alistair for taunt and cast regen on him. If you have sleep on morrigan use it on the achers and walking nightmare or on the melee guys. Just remember first priority is mage then zevran. To best many opponents mass CC is the key! Then always focus fire on a single target to quickly diminish the number of opponents.

[DaeFaron]

Heh, I didn't even worry about Zevran, I took on the melee mob as I targeted them.



Killed the mage, worked on the melee mob, ignored the archers until all the melee people were dead. Its probably just me but I never think about battles as "he's the tank, he's the DPS" For me it detracts from the game somewhat because of overthinking the strategy of encounters.

[BiowareFanatic]

 You guys dont know how to play RPGS... try playing the whole game on nightmare. 

Tips: you need a tank and at least 2 healers

[Faerell Gustani]

First time through, it was a cakewalk. I dropped Zevran first, then killed his mage buddy, then wiped out all of the melee. Tripped some traps, disabled some, tripped some more and wipe out his archers...all on Hard mode.



My second time through, I died twice because installed the Dex hot-fix and am on Nightmare...his archers murdered me. Eventually, I discovered if I drew backwards and to the right, there was a small ramp up to one of the archer ledges. Hiding behind that ledge blocked line of sight for half of his archers and forced the mage to run into melee with me. From there on out, it was pretty simple.

[DragonRageGT]

BiowareFanatic wrote...

 You guys dont know how to play RPGS... try playing the whole game on nightmare. 

Tips: you need a tank and at least 2 healers

I am playing it in NM without changing diff once and I'm going for zero injuries too. My Hard run's been harder. I've even posted about it and I agree with the replies I got there. I am a better player than when I started with the game, DLC items make the game easier and apparently, there might be a bug somewhere that makes NM actually easier than Hard.

And I got much better at chosing tactics for the party and letting them do their stuff, eventually giving a few commands of my own to them. I went thru Hard without noticing that Hold actually turned off the tactics too, until near the end. =}

I also try several party combinations, as I am recording the dialogue interaction among them and I am happy that I can win most battles with any of those combos plus my main 2 hander char (used in Normal to learn, till lvl 15 then restarted, in Hard and now in NM) is the same one but with better choices in char dev every time. I am really enjoying my char and will not try a new race/class until I get sick of him first.  I don't get bored easily perhaps.

For me it's been like this, the more I play, the better I get and the more enjoyable the game ends up being too. It is not that it is just plain easier but learning from our mistakes in what makes us humans after all. Repeating the same mistakes expecting different results is... insane.

Dark83 wrote...

Odd, I've downed Zev before, but the cutscene didn't trigger until I killed everyone. (PC, here.)

Cutscene will not start while there are still one of the enemies fighting, doesn't matter if Zev is down, he's not dead... just sleeping. Unless we get a decapitation on him, that is... not possible I think. I might reload and make a movie of it too, just for the fun of it!

[phordicus]

Brian The Grey wrote...

Isn't that the battle where you can take the high ground on either side? If not, taking the high ground is good advice in general.

yes, a favorite tactic of mine for battles i've fought too many times for them to remain an interesting challenge.

this battle, and many that follow those godawful cutscene stealth-removing party-clumping scripts, are all about the position you start the battle compared to the enemies.  as a player, you have to not be conditioned to just using where you start as your base of operations.  read some Sun Tzu.  generally, though, for a battle like this:

you're surrounded, so rush a flank and use that area as your holding point.  typically you'll cut their arcs of fire in half as well as line clumping their melee as they chase you.  for the Maker's sake, don't stay surrounded and bogged down in melee while being pelted from all sides and expect to survive.

[SaintOfSin]

The title of this thread should be renamed to "I give up - I can't find the difficulty slider"...or "I give up - I don't know how to change tactics".

[adam_nox]

In my first playthrough, zevran ambush was easily the hardest mandatory fight. I died several times, I had more than 10 health potions to use though, so I'm a bit worried about the OP.

[Faffnr]

First time I played all my party members went down but my main kept going. I had just gotten my Blood Dragon Armor, so even though he had low health most hits did only 1 dmg. Normal/2-Hander. I only discovered that I could get cover at the end when I finally went after the archers on the right.

[Knut Are Mykland2]

well if you play a full warrior party then you do not play on anything but easy.
if you play with 3 mages then the recomended difficulty is hard.
if you play with a well buildt pc arcane warrior and a well made team ,then the recomended difficulty is nightmare.

PS playing a warrior on easy is harder then playing a mage on hard.
Especially during the early parts of the game.

Mages are flat out better then warriors. They are even better then warriors at hand to hand fighting if you properly disribute stats/talents.
PS it is not the damage spells that make mages good. It is theire incredible surviveability(buffs) mixed with instant kill spells and unlimited mana.

to play the whole game on nightmare i would recomend to play as a mage, and play the game in a set order.
it can make a huge difference on difficulty with which order you play the game.
also have most of your team in massive armor. Ps massive armor includes any mages after level 7!
Oh and visiit shops to get some herbalism done. Helaing pots and lyrium pots is what makes the diffence.
so you really do not need a healer or a tank. You see the AI will normally target your most damageing char anyway.
The best tanking you can do in this game is to have the enemies target all your chars evenly!

PS i hope nightmare is harder then hard, if not then mages are godlike.
i play on hard since it is the default rules.

Modifié par Knut Are Mykland2, 27 novembre 2009 - 07:33 .

[deathwing200]

BiowareFanatic wrote...

 You guys dont know how to play RPGS... try playing the whole game on nightmare. 

Tips: you need a tank and at least 2 healers

No.

[Murphys_Law]

cdelaney wrote...

Well I got to level 9-ish when I am now at a point where I was at camp and whenever I try to travel anywhere from camp I get ambushed by a huge party lead by Zevran. There are way too many enemies for me to defeat no matter what tactics I use and no matter which party members I choose. It's completely and utterly hopeless. My game is completely ended and I am not happy.  There is no way for me to back up and choose a different path as it seems this ambush is hard-coded into the game and it always happens.  There are 11 enemies to defeat at once, and no chances to try to pick them off a few at a time or retreat. No options whatsoever other than to die.

I've crafted as many health potions as I can but it's simply not enough. I would need like 10 of them to survive this damn battle, and I just don't have that many.

This was not the first time that sometime similar to this happened in this game, but the first time I have zero options available. So I'm done with this game. Not fun when you hit a brick wall with no options left.

Ah the classic "I can't do it, so the game must be broken".  Remember to always point your finger outward and never towards yourself, no way you could be doing something wrong!

[Shadowcrazy4]

BiowareFanatic wrote...

 You guys dont know how to play RPGS... try playing the whole game on nightmare. 

Tips: you need a tank and at least 2 healers

unsuccessful troll is unsuccesful....GTFO mah Dragon Age B*tch

[LovelyMover]

The bloody wolves...Am still traumatised, never did beat them, ended up reloading & going somewhere else just to avoid them.



Toughest fight so far led to a glorious insight, when you find that standard attacks aren't working, throw everything, including the kitchen sink if you happen to have one, at the baddies.



I'm about to have to run through 4 area's to refit, (again), & change party to defeat one mini boss *sigh* TBH I love it, getting my butt repeatedly handed to me makes a pleasant change to most games, and putting down the bad guy gives a real sense of accomplishment.

[DragonRageGT]

RageGT wrote...

As I mentioned... here it is... a totally unexpected encounter, in Nightmare, while I was going to record some party dialogues. Of course, having all possible party members always equipped witth best I could give them helped. And I love the fact that my char is way stronger than that "superior" piece of stone... =P

See, it is very possible to have a full warrior's party in Nightmare. With a potion crafter among them, I could probably go thru the whole game but I use this party setup only for my compilation on party interaction.

I try to rp the best I can in a SP game, after 5 years playing a elven archer in a NWN's PW where I even learned some sindarin for my role... not that easy for me in a single player game but still I try, so my favourite party setup for this NM run I'm going thru is:
- Rage, Wynne, Morrigan, Leliana
- Rage, Alistair, Morrigan, Leliana
- Rage, Alistair, Wynne, Leliana

Later on I'll have both Oghren and Shale for the Deep Roads and for more recording sessions on my The Best Party (dialogues) compilation. But Leliana is always by my side this time. I'm romancing her and ain't gonna leave her out of my sight with that crazy elf around. He hits on anything that have legs... my dog, tables & chairs, Wynne!... See my "If it has legs..." movie. =)




And since he's already in my camp, enjoying my hospitality, I reloaded and battled him again and I've made a nice movie of it. But this time things went really bad... for Zevran!!! arf arf arf™

It's a 5 min movie, full HD, so it is taking a while to upload to the tubes and I'll update this post after it's completed. But mind you, it is a Nightmare diff movie and still it feels a whole lot easier than my first battle with him in Normal, then Hard diff. Somehow I think NM might really be bugged cuz I surely ain't that great of a player. There are people who can play this and any other battle with much more style perhaps but I still enjoy thinking that I got better than I was when I started playing the game and I'm very grateful for all the people who have helped me, directly or with their posts on tactics and good gameplay. (without cheap exploits like force field a friendly with taunt) ... I may still use force field on an opponent to give me time and get his backup down. it is different, imho.

Aw well, 28% up... might take a while until it's all processing there is done. Check it back here in a short while, at least to see that Gameplay is far from flawed! =)

[FedericoV]

It's one of the easier fight in the game and I play on hard. You have only to use Morrigan properly with Sleep, Walking Nightmare and Cone of Cold and shatter some enemy. Rogue are made of crystal, they go down like flies.

[Oeacle]

Knut Are Mykland2 wrote...

well if you play a full warrior party then you do not play on anything but easy.
if you play with 3 mages then the recomended difficulty is hard.
if you play with a well buildt pc arcane warrior and a well made team ,then the recomended difficulty is nightmare.

PS playing a warrior on easy is harder then playing a mage on hard.
Especially during the early parts of the game.

Mages are flat out better then warriors. They are even better then warriors at hand to hand fighting if you properly disribute stats/talents.
PS it is not the damage spells that make mages good. It is theire incredible surviveability(buffs) mixed with instant kill spells and unlimited mana.

to play the whole game on nightmare i would recomend to play as a mage, and play the game in a set order.
it can make a huge difference on difficulty with which order you play the game.
also have most of your team in massive armor. Ps massive armor includes any mages after level 7!
Oh and visiit shops to get some herbalism done. Helaing pots and lyrium pots is what makes the diffence.
so you really do not need a healer or a tank. You see the AI will normally target your most damageing char anyway.
The best tanking you can do in this game is to have the enemies target all your chars evenly!

PS i hope nightmare is harder then hard, if not then mages are godlike.
i play on hard since it is the default rules.

.............

You can play anything on nightmare.   I don't understand how so many people have problems.

[Chuzza]

Oeacle wrote...
.............

You can play anything on nightmare.   I don't understand how so many people have problems.

I agree... I'm about 10 hours in to my nightmare run and I'm finding it easier then my hard (neither of which i played mage btw). I haven't even used custom tactics this run because i couldn't be bothered. I don't understand why people can have such different experiences with the difficulties.

[JackDresden]

cdelaney wrote...

Well I got to level 9-ish when I am now at a point where I was at camp and whenever I try to travel anywhere from camp I get ambushed by a huge party lead by Zevran. There are way too many enemies for me to defeat no matter what tactics I use and no matter which party members I choose. It's completely and utterly hopeless. My game is completely ended and I am not happy.  There is no way for me to back up and choose a different path as it seems this ambush is hard-coded into the game and it always happens.  There are 11 enemies to defeat at once, and no chances to try to pick them off a few at a time or retreat. No options whatsoever other than to die.

I've crafted as many health potions as I can but it's simply not enough. I would need like 10 of them to survive this damn battle, and I just don't have that many.

This was not the first time that sometime similar to this happened in this game, but the first time I have zero options available. So I'm done with this game. Not fun when you hit a brick wall with no options left.

Odd I found this battle a bit tricky but not nearly the hardest in the game. What is your main? What tactics do you use?

[DragonRageGT]

I have been saying the same thing as you two guys and I made a movie to show that this battle is not that hard!

It is in the Spoiler forum because it is a major spoiler, IMHO.

So, if you want to watch it, please go there!

Assassinating an Assassin!
http://social.biowar...47/index/317232

[JackDresden]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Meh, the archers are the smalls threat so leave them till the end. Rush in and punk down the casters first, CC the melee types until this is done, after they are finished off you can go mop up the archers.

Since literally tens of thousands of people have gotten past this point without issue, you can hardly call the GAME flawed.

Error between chair and keyboard.

Yes generally in any fight disable or kill any casters is top priority, then any yellow characters then the rest.

[Red-Cell]

lol, throw a bubble on your character and watch the AI kill all the melee attackers with flame AOE spells.



Or you could do something smart like hide behind rocks and wait fort he melee to come after you ignoring the archers



Or you could give up because games that require thought are too difficult.



Pick one?