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[DOOM2601]

The entire trilogy was brilliant right up to the final 10 minutes of Mass Effect 3. Why couldn't they leave the reapers as the fearless and infinitely strong machines that came to wipe out organic life just because they could do so? No, they had to introduce a new character, Catalyst, which we don't know anything about, appears to be a god, but somehow takes the form of a diseased kid to speak to Shepard? Why couldn't the Catalyst be the Citadel itself, as was previously hinted by the game?

Why did bioware not do a standard ending that people were specting? It seems to me that they treid too hard to put a tremendous plot twist at the end of the game, like KOTOR, but failed misserably. They basically destroyed the series in the last 10 minutes; its mind-boggling.

Wouldn't it have been so much better if Shepard and Anderson watch as the reapers get destroyed and the galaxy saved from that spot in the citadel? Or if your EMS was not high enough, wouldn't it be better to have an ending where you fail to stop the reapers and the galaxy is destroyed?

Don't you guys agree?

[revo76]

they'll release a DLC for extended endings or even an extended edition. with it, they'll gain more money

any other questions ?

[Archereon]

Because Mac Walters watched Lost and Neon Genesis Evangelion, then played Deus Ex before writing the endings?

[MPSai]

Because someone was trying to be "deep".

[DOOM2601]

I know its sad, but i would actually pay for a real ending that clarifies or expands on the current one, because watching one of my favorite franchises die in the last t10 minutes is just painful.

[revo76]

you're not alone dude, i spent a week or something, started with me1 and jumped directly me2 and then me3.

I feel like i lost my colleage or relative.

damn.

[Extort]

 its not a plot twist because you had no idea on how to beat the reapers previously.. and a standard ending? you want us to go russian on them? u know lose a million kill a hundred?

[StrawberryRainPop]

yep, i dont mind a bleak ending, but for christ sake show us what happens to our squad, the people we love, OUR ROMANCES

[RxP4IN]

It confuses me why so many people complain about the endings and not this. Yes, they were awful and poorly executed, but the catalyst plot was what really destroyed the series.

Modifié par RxP4IN, 10 mars 2012 - 05:17 .

[DOOM2601]

Extort wrote...

 its not a plot twist because you had no idea on how to beat the reapers previously.. and a standard ending? you want us to go russian on them? u know lose a million kill a hundred?

Of course it is a plot twist having the reapers being controlled by an unkown character/god that we don't know anything about.

And if you read the entire original post, you would have known what i considered "standard endings".

[DOOM2601]

RxP4IN wrote...

It confuses me why so many people complain about the endings and not this. Yes, they were awful and poorly executed, but the catalyst plot was what really destroyed the series.

Exactly, they could really solve the stranded squad with dlc or something... but this about the catalyst is just pure bull****. The reapers were supposed to be just machines who destroyed civilization just because they could, and whatever purpose they had, but not because they were controlled by some god

Modifié par DOOM2601, 10 mars 2012 - 05:20 .

[Extort]

DOOM2601 wrote...

Extort wrote...

 its not a plot twist because you had no idea on how to beat the reapers previously.. and a standard ending? you want us to go russian on them? u know lose a million kill a hundred?

Of course it is a plot twist having the reapers being controlled by an unkown character/god that we don't know anything about.

And if you read the entire original post, you would have known what i considered "standard endings".

relax i did read bro. a magical ending where al lthe reapers die and one where everyone dies. i can still refer back to my russian post for that... and itsss nooot plot twist its a deus ex machina bro not twist

[Tamcia]

After DA2 ending and now ME3 ending - there is someone VERY sick and twisted in BW....

[DOOM2601]

Extort wrote...

DOOM2601 wrote...

Extort wrote...

 its not a plot twist because you had no idea on how to beat the reapers previously.. and a standard ending? you want us to go russian on them? u know lose a million kill a hundred?

Of course it is a plot twist having the reapers being controlled by an unkown character/god that we don't know anything about.

And if you read the entire original post, you would have known what i considered "standard endings".

relax i did read bro. a magical ending where al lthe reapers die and one where everyone dies. i can still refer back to my russian post for that... and itsss nooot plot twist its a deus ex machina bro not twist

They are not magical endings, they are just the culmination of what the entire trilogy was based around... destroy the reapers, or get destroyed.

And it is a plot twist in the Mass Effect universe, doesn't matter if it has been done before other games or media.

[Extort]

DOOM2601 wrote...

Extort wrote...

DOOM2601 wrote...

Extort wrote...

 its not a plot twist because you had no idea on how to beat the reapers previously.. and a standard ending? you want us to go russian on them? u know lose a million kill a hundred?

Of course it is a plot twist having the reapers being controlled by an unkown character/god that we don't know anything about.

And if you read the entire original post, you would have known what i considered "standard endings".

relax i did read bro. a magical ending where al lthe reapers die and one where everyone dies. i can still refer back to my russian post for that... and itsss nooot plot twist its a deus ex machina bro not twist

They are not magical endings, they are just the culmination of what the entire trilogy was based around... destroy the reapers, or get destroyed.

And it is a plot twist in the Mass Effect universe, doesn't matter if it has been done before other games or media.

haha okay bro no need to get all formal on me. and btw it does matter big time

[jewsus10]

StrawberryRainPop wrote...

yep, i dont mind a bleak ending, but for christ sake show us what happens to our squad, the people we love, OUR ROMANCES

I agree i am just disappointed that they end up on some random plant and based on the end credits they start a new life?  And if in your endng like mine it appears that earth is saved and everyone on it to then WTF is all those different races and fleets gonna do now that they are stranded on earth with the mass relays are gone.  Great game ruined by the endng.

Modifié par jewsus10, 10 mars 2012 - 05:28 .

[WarGriffin]

DOOM2601 wrote...


Why did bioware not do a standard ending that people were specting? It seems to me that they treid too hard to put a tremendous plot twist at the end of the game, like KOTOR, but failed misserably. They basically destroyed the series in the last 10 minutes; its mind-boggling.

Wouldn't it have been so much better if Shepard and Anderson watch as the reapers get destroyed and the galaxy saved from that spot in the citadel? Or if your EMS was not high enough, wouldn't it be better to have an ending where you fail to stop the reapers and the galaxy is destroyed?

Don't you guys agree?

You just answered your own question.. they didn't want to do what was expected... and it backfired horribly

The problem with the ending can be summed up in three points

and you know what I don't blame the Writer, seeing he has the task of finsihing someone elses story. 

Point 1: The Reapers go from Space cthulu/Lovercraftian horrors
To... really Really bad logic/Toys to a really stupid godlike being/ Bad cops

I understand why they did it, Cause if you don't give the Reapers a real reason, people will critiize you for having flat villians... Except not having a logical reason does not equate a badly written villian.

The Joker in the Dark knight is a prime example of a character that is.. evil for the sake of being evil, His backstory is unknown he simply exists to be the anti-Batman

Now i'll get to the stupid godlike being in a mniute but the first part relates to the Quote unquote original ending that involved Dark energy

The Reapers still come off as morons, ya know why... anybody who gets advanced enough to deal with the  Dark energy problem gets annihilated turn into a reaper, the Reapers jack all thier stuff and then go hide in Dark space... for 50,000 years... and they wonder why they've run out of time


Point 2
The Tech singularity throws pretty much alot of ME's overall plot out the window to justify itself
other then straight up dropping the Dark energy point and various points

The endings beat you over the head that Syns and Organics cannot coexist. Even though Legion's loyalty quest makes it clear syns can be just as diverse as organics in thought and beliefs... yeah way to crap on Legion's sacrifice ya lousy smuck


EdI's development is ignored... so all AI's are evil

among other stuff throw out the window


Point 3
The god in the kid, Let's be frank... the kid at the beginning is to ethereal in nature "You can't help me"... is only noticed by shepard etc... The only reason the Kid effects Shepard so, is because The Kid was the godlike being to begin with

Hell the fact he comes off as so supernatural in ME is what rubs me the wrong way about him... and the very overdramtic bits they do to connect shepard to the kid is just graon worthy

[DOOM2601]

WarGriffin wrote...

DOOM2601 wrote...


Why did bioware not do a standard ending that people were specting? It seems to me that they treid too hard to put a tremendous plot twist at the end of the game, like KOTOR, but failed misserably. They basically destroyed the series in the last 10 minutes; its mind-boggling.

Wouldn't it have been so much better if Shepard and Anderson watch as the reapers get destroyed and the galaxy saved from that spot in the citadel? Or if your EMS was not high enough, wouldn't it be better to have an ending where you fail to stop the reapers and the galaxy is destroyed?

Don't you guys agree?

You just answered your own question.. they didn't want to do what was expected... and it backfired horribly

The problem with the ending can be summed up in three points

and you know what I don't blame the Writer, seeing he has the task of finsihing someone elses story. 

Point 1: The Reapers go from Space cthulu/Lovercraftian horrors
To... really Really bad logic/Toys to a really stupid godlike being/ Bad cops

I understand why they did it, Cause if you don't give the Reapers a real reason, people will critiize you for having flat villians... Except not having a logical reason does not equate a badly written villian.

The Joker in the Dark knight is a prime example of a character that is.. evil for the sake of being evil, His backstory is unknown he simply exists to be the anti-Batman

Now i'll get to the stupid godlike being in a mniute but the first part relates to the Quote unquote original ending that involved Dark energy

The Reapers still come off as morons, ya know why... anybody who gets advanced enough to deal with the  Dark energy problem gets annihilated turn into a reaper, the Reapers jack all thier stuff and then go hide in Dark space... for 50,000 years... and they wonder why they've run out of time


Point 2
The Tech singularity throws pretty much alot of ME's overall plot out the window to justify itself
other then straight up dropping the Dark energy point and various points

The endings beat you over the head that Syns and Organics cannot coexist. Even though Legion's loyalty quest makes it clear syns can be just as diverse as organics in thought and beliefs... yeah way to crap on Legion's sacrifice ya lousy smuck


EdI's development is ignored... so all AI's are evil

among other stuff throw out the window


Point 3
The god in the kid, Let's be frank... the kid at the beginning is to ethereal in nature "You can't help me"... is only noticed by shepard etc... The only reason the Kid effects Shepard so, is because The Kid was the godlike being to begin with

Hell the fact he comes off as so supernatural in ME is what rubs me the wrong way about him... and the very overdramtic bits they do to connect shepard to the kid is just graon worthy

I could not agree more with all your points. That supernatural bull**** of a god ruined the plot. The kid was suppossed to be just Shepard remembering how powerless they really were against the Reapers.

But apart from the plot's lack of logic, it is also flawed at a gameplay perspective. All the choices you made through the entire trilogy have no meaning. You are just stuck with three endigns that only differ in the color of the crucible energy. No matter what you do, or how well you play, you will not be able to avoid the terrible endings.

As I said in the original post,why not have an ending were you just destroy the reapers, or get destroyed by them. The reapers purposes could be reproduction, or something like that. Heck, they could even come because they just enjoyed killing organics.

[MattFini]

Even though it would be a cheat to the fans, I'd be okay with DLC that begins with Shep awakening from an indoctrinated dream that establishes the VI as some kind of last-ditch Reaper defense tactic to stall Shepard.

Move forward from there with the real climax of the game and then a legitimate ending/closure.

But that'd probably take too much effort.

[DOOM2601]

MattFini wrote...

Even though it would be a cheat to the fans, I'd be okay with DLC that begins with Shep awakening from an indoctrinated dream that establishes the VI as some kind of last-ditch Reaper defense tactic to stall Shepard.

Move forward from there with the real climax of the game and then a legitimate ending/closure.

But that'd probably take too much effort.

That would be perfect.

[Megakoresh]

I hope so. The endings kinda ruined it for me. The game was no fantastic, but admittedly I expected this kind of stuff in the end. SUCH a bad idea. BUT.
BioWare CAN fix this. It was an ingenious idea to have the ending seem like a dream. They can still release the proper ending. WE DO NOT WANT THE OVER-THE-TOP PHILOSOPHICAL ENDING.

[jewsus10]

The endings totally ruined the game for me. Bioware should gve us something to fx this. You spend all the time on this game devlopng relationships and in the end it looks like you will finally get what you want when your LI and you say I love and you find out how to destroy the reapers then boom mass relays gone everyone stranded on some random plant with no help possible, shepard dead and earth and everywhere else prettey f***ed up. Defeintly a disapponting end to a great game.

[Sledge454]

I can't wait for Zero Punctuation's review. I'm fairly sure it will be brutal (which in this case means accurate).

[Ice Cold J]

I agree, although I don't think an ending where the Reapers win (unless it's somehow MY choice) is acceptable under any circumstances, but that's just me.

Archereon wrote...

Because Mac Walters watched Lost and Neon Genesis Evangelion, then played Deus Ex before writing the endings?

Your cookie is in the mail.

StrawberryRainPop wrote...

yep, i dont mind a bleak ending, but for christ sake show us what happens to our squad, the people we love, OUR ROMANCES

YES!!! This x 1000.

OK, Shep dies. I'm honestly kinda OK with that, but what is the state of the galaxy afterwards? We all go back to living in isolation on our homeworlds until we reconstruct the Mass Relays? What about the aliens helping retake Earth? Are they there or magically teleported somewhere else like the Normandy kinda seemed to be?

RxP4IN wrote...

It confuses me why so many people complain about the endings and not this. Yes, they were awful and poorly executed, but the catalyst plot was what really destroyed the series.

The "Catalyst" was the cherry on the "cluster****ending" sundae we all paid $60+ for.

[Adamantium93]

Megakoresh wrote...

I hope so. The endings kinda ruined it for me. The game was no fantastic, but admittedly I expected this kind of stuff in the end. SUCH a bad idea. BUT.
BioWare CAN fix this. It was an ingenious idea to have the ending seem like a dream. They can still release the proper ending. WE DO NOT WANT THE OVER-THE-TOP PHILOSOPHICAL ENDING.

Mass Effect is built on moral dilemmas. The final choice should mhave been a moral dilemma of the highest degree. but it wasn't.

It wasn't even philisophical. There was no debate of Good and Evil, no "can a man change his fate", no "in seeking to destroy the monsters, will you become one". It was "Machines are teh bad". That's it. It was just obtuse for the sake of being obtuse.

Sledge454 wrote...

I can't wait for Zero Punctuation's review. I'm fairly sure it will be brutal (which in this case means accurate).

Oh boy, that's gonna be sweet.

Modifié par Adamantium93, 10 mars 2012 - 10:21 .